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Modern Warfare 3 unveiling imminent

Discussion in 'Gaming Forum' started by Desides, May 7, 2011.

  1. unifiedtheory

    unifiedtheory Sub Pending Luxury Box

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    I could see that holding water to be honest. The game was SO TERRIBLE online that someone had to do something. It was broken on the first day and never got fixed. Who ever had the bright idea about kill streak rewards in that game should be shot at dawn.
     
  2. 366vektorprime

    366vektorprime BAAAAANGGG!!!!!!!!!!!

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    yes, well, atleast the stories were good, plausible ones, until some idiots thougt tht MW 2 should be an action movie, and BO a psycho thriller.
     
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  3. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    CoD has never had plausible stories. The series has always been an over the top action movie. Black Ops is the guiltiest of them all. The 60s didn't work that way.

    Call of Duty is what you get when you take a Tom Clancy movie (not a book, a movie), subtract the element of time, and make zero attempt to be accurate beyond superficial appearances ("check those corners!").

    Again: the ArmA series is what military realism looks like, while the Brothers in Arms series is what you get when you cross a video game with reality. Call of Duty is what happens when people want to make a playable movie. I suspect Battlefield 3 will be equally full of itself.
     
  4. sking29

    sking29 What it takes to be cool

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    I'm sure it will be, since the latest Battlefield releases basically mock themselves and the shooter genre. The Bad Company series specifically.
     
  5. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Bad Company was specially designed to make fun of everything, yeah. But the main Battlefield series wasn't. BF3 is being described as a game where you play as a soldier, versus MW3 where you play as an action hero. On the realism scale, BF3 will probably be much closer to MW3 than most realize.

    After all, they've already fallen for deceptive marketing on BF3's part. All BF3 footage (except for the Jimmy Fallon stuff) is of the PC version running a GTX 580 GPU, a $500 piece of equipment. MW3 has only been shown on an Xbox 360, which is the least powerful hardware not named the Wii. Thus, BF3 looks "great", while MW3 looks "old." Yep, wonder why.
     
  6. sking29

    sking29 What it takes to be cool

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    I agree on your Battlefield stance (in regards to the older games) but my point was to say that drawing upon recent history even if Dice chooses to act "for real" with BF3 I pretty much know to take it with a grain of salt.

    As for BF3 and deception that is sort of a double edged sword. I agree that showing the PC version basically maxed out is deceptive for gamers not paying attention or really familiar with the series. That's why I found the whole "outrage" over the Jimmy Fallon PS3 presentation of the game to be silly. The BF series has, at least in my estimation, always favored the PC because that is where it has its roots and chooses to favor its roots. Bad Company 2 for example was better graphically on the PC than for the consoles and a lot of the "compromises" BF3 is making on the consoles also occurred with Bad Company 2. Point is, gamers familiar with the series shouldn't have been remotely shocked. Hell, I think the console versions look great for a multiplatform title that is basically just entering the beta stage running on 5 year old hardware.

    In regards to the CoD series and graphics I don't think I am qualified to give an accurate assessment. I will say I base my feelings mostly off of the great looking CoD4 on the PS3, the PS3 version of MW2 which I thought was literally COD4 2.0, and Black Ops/WoW on the 360 which I though looked quite nice. I have read that the PS3 versions of CoD games struggle so I tend to want to throw MW2 out the window and say the CoD series has progressed more theatrically instead of graphically.

    In the end, BF and CoD are different series that appeal to different gamer sensibilities. That's not a bad thing because generally every gamer that enjoys shooters has at least one series they really enjoy. :yes:
     
  7. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Right. You just gave me the opportunity to make a point, so I took it. :lol:

    It's tough for me to make a similar judgment because we haven't really seen the console versions for a long enough period of time. My impression of the PS3 version footage from Fallon is that it's a little too heavy on the post-processing effects.

    Prior to MW3's unveiling, there was fear that Infinity Ward hadn't upgraded their engine, or that the upgrades were minimal. So when you had BF3 showing PC footage off weeks ahead of MW3's unveiling, in an era when all game footage is recorded on an Xbox 360, people were led to believe that BF3 was vastly superior to MW3 on what was perceived to be an apples to apples comparison. They were wrong.

    But you mix in a healthy dose of Bobby Kotick hate, and people don't care that they're wrong.

    Absolutely. I just want people to understand that CoD is about as far from reality as Half Minute Hero. :lol:
     
  8. sking29

    sking29 What it takes to be cool

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    Well games, much like movies, only reflect reality every now and then. Of course what is to be expected of a whole industry created by imagination.

    We also agree that DICE played with the truth when they first started showing off BF3. Still I guess I just expect everything BF to be running on the PC unless otherwise specified. Being the BF nerd I am, I've just gotten accustomed to seeing DICE label the 360/PS3 builds as the 360/PS3 version of the game. Whenever I browse the Battlefiled site/blog it is pretty clear that they use PC for their base work and then sort of port over to the consoles. So I've been a bit brainwashed in how I see new BF material. :)

    Okay so I better shut up about Battlefield now seeing as how I'm sort of hijacking the MW3 thread. :lol:
     
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  9. 366vektorprime

    366vektorprime BAAAAANGGG!!!!!!!!!!!

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    oh, cmon, the WW2 series was a good one. Disregarding the rather sordid MGs, and the unnaturally powerful and accurate SMGs.
    Oh, BTW, i didnt see any OpFlash Red river thread. Nobody interestd in that one?
     
  10. 366vektorprime

    366vektorprime BAAAAANGGG!!!!!!!!!!!

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    COD is at the tethers of the end. Until activision, or whoevers runnin the game, revamps the series, its nt going to last. A dose of reality would do good. The multiplayer's gotten unnatural too, with noobs pulling irritating stunts. I still think COD 2 had the best multiplayer
     
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  11. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    The WW2 CoDs were pretty terrible in the sense that they were nothing like WW2. Again: Brothers in Arms. BiA is a pretty simplistic recreation, but it at least uses satellite data and planning maps to recreate the actual areas soldiers fought in, and has a basic implementation of squad tactics.
     
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  12. 366vektorprime

    366vektorprime BAAAAANGGG!!!!!!!!!!!

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    I've played BiA hells highway. And yes its good. But at the end of the day, most ppl r looking for ways to njoy themselves. So while avid gamers like u and me, happily spend time in positioning our mg teams, most will probably blow their fuses.
     
  13. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Oh, definitely. I'm not trying to say that CoD is inferior because it's unrealistic, I'm just trying to make the point that it is unrealistic. Remember, this discussion began with talk about how MW2 was outlandish for a CoD game. I'm pointing out that MW2 was precisely in line with the rest of the series, and that CoD has always been ridiculously over the top.

    In fact, MW2's campaign was more enjoyable than previous CoD games' campaigns specifically because it throws off whatever shallow pretense it makes at being realistic.
     
  14. 366vektorprime

    366vektorprime BAAAAANGGG!!!!!!!!!!!

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    and others r going tht way, too. BiA, for instance, got a health regeneration, OpFlash got dumbd down in RED RIVER. And the new ArmA may go the same. Knw anything, if MW3 will have LAN gaming?
     
  15. dolfan32323

    dolfan32323 ty xphinfanx

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    COD2 is my favorite one as well.
     
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  16. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    BiA did have regenerating health, yes. That's a concession it made to the post-Halo FPS convention. Even Duke effing Nukem Forever has regenerating health. It's here to stay.

    I don't think ArmA is at any risk of being dumbed down. They do need to redesign the in-game interface and fix the AI, but it looks like they're going with a less structured campaign.

    Haven't heard anything about MW3 supporting LAN gaming.
     
  17. 366vektorprime

    366vektorprime BAAAAANGGG!!!!!!!!!!!

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    i know, i asked this before, but hasnt anyone played the new OpFlash?
     
  18. 366vektorprime

    366vektorprime BAAAAANGGG!!!!!!!!!!!

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    besides the unrealism, i think the stories in CoD have become too fragmented, too similar. Distracting.
     
  19. sking29

    sking29 What it takes to be cool

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    Ah yes regenerating health. I remember reviews for "The Getaway" on the PS2 getting a couple knocks for having unrealistic regenerating health (of course that could very well have been because the game tried to portray itself as realistic and we've already had that debate). Either way the point of my rambling is to say I kind of miss med packs being scattered all over the map. Because ask any soldier who has been in battle and they will tell you about all the random med packs scattered around the battlefield. Regenerating health...bah...how unrealistic. :shifty:
     
  20. dolfan32323

    dolfan32323 ty xphinfanx

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    I'm really looking forward to BF3 if it is anything like BF2 or 1942 was on PC. However really the last few CoD installments just have been frustrating online. I don't see how I can even get myself excited for MW3. These games should be taking notes from the Halo series how to produce a fun online experience.
     
  21. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    But, but… Master Chief had it! :lol:
     
  22. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    Disagree. Killstreaks made MW2 fun as hell. Sorry, but nothing can top the AC-130 in terms of an awesome killstreak. Also, killstreaks not stacking also slowed the gameplay way down and made it less enjoyable. It also didn't eliminate camping like everyone said it would. Camping in BO is worse than MW2. The only kill-streak that was stupid was the nuke. It was too easy to get with a chopper gunner. The better idea is not having super awesome kill-streaks at a low ks level, such as 11. Getting a big awesome kill-streak at 15 would be smart. Imagine 5-9-15 stacking kill-streaks if you will. That would work more smoothly than 5-7-11 or 5-7-9.

    Ever play FFA on BO? ****ing thing lasts forever.

    Because it's what business does, trying to get bigger and better. I think they succeeded in some areas and failed in others. It was the perks that kinda ****ed it up. Commando, Danger Close, Deathstreaks (looking at you painkiller), Second chance, and maybe I'm missing something else, all really took the experience down a notch.

    MW2 had pretty good weapon balance... What you're asking for would not make for a good game, IMO. Just camp with a superior gun, eliminating rushers and slayers with smaller weapons.

    The UMP45 was the class of the field in MW2, but every gun was good with the exception of the f2000. I could be successful with any of them.

    This speaks to my point. Why rush when you can get an amazing LMG/AR and sit back and pick off the rushers. I never played BF, but wasn't this one of the problems? Over powered long range weapons that led to massive camping?


    More than anything, I want...
    Perk balance - Good perks, in proper tiers (For example, not leaving an over powered perk like Ghost in a category where it's beyond dominate).
    Strong maps - Cod 4 still has best maps. Fact. Although there's a handful I loved in MW2 (terminal, trailer park, etc...)
    Kill-Steaks - Kill-streaks are rewarding to the player and are fun as hell when done right. Cod 4 had 3-5-7 and it was fun for the era, but MW2 raised the bar. You can't go back now. BO had horrible KS too. Chopper gunner wasn't fun at all and Gunship wasn't as exciting as I first thought it would of been. Although I still enjoy using it more since I had more control.

    The only KS I liked in BO were Dogs. I hope IW brings them back from Cod 4 at a 7 KS. Blackbird was too powerful, practically a wall hack.
     
  23. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    Yes and it's bad. Only good thing about the game was a soundtrack including Symphony of Destruction by Megadeth and Cowboys from Hell by Pantera. Codemasters just needs to let it go. Stop trying to leech off a title that Bohemia Interactive developed. Operation Flashpoint is one of the best FPS games ever. Codemasters is just putting shame to that name while Bohemia has successfully continued the series with 2 terrific games in Arma and Arma 2, with Arma 3 soon to follow in 2012.
     
  24. 366vektorprime

    366vektorprime BAAAAANGGG!!!!!!!!!!!

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    wht i am trying to say is that activision should learn from this game- and i am nt talking abt knox' ten rules. Bullet drop, caliber based damage, bleed outs. Stuff which should be incorporatd. CoD has become homogeneous...
     
  25. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    People don't want bullet physics.
     
  26. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    Never going to happen. COD is a game for kids and casual gamers. It's supposed to be a completely unrealistic arcade shooter. If people want to play a god awful shooter with unbalanced weapons, tiny maps, 8+ campers a match, etc. good for them. I'll stick to playing games with actual substance like the Battlefield and Arma series.
     
  27. 366vektorprime

    366vektorprime BAAAAANGGG!!!!!!!!!!!

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    i used to love CoD, until they deviatd frm WW2. Then it bcame too stupid. Even more than it was. BO was the worst of the lot.
     
  28. 366vektorprime

    366vektorprime BAAAAANGGG!!!!!!!!!!!

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    to me COD 2 had the best multiplayer. Total crossfire.
     
  29. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    I enjoyed the first couple COD games. I even enjoyed the first Modern Warfare. The last 3, terrible, especially MW2 which is amongst the worst multiplayer FPS games I've ever played.
     
  30. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Two new screenshots.

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  31. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Kotaku: How MW3 Changes the CoD Multiplayer Game Yet Again

    Much more at the link.
     
  32. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    [video=youtube;kuOCCeXlszw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuOCCeXlszw[/video]
     
  33. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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  34. King Felix

    King Felix Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    haven't really liked a COD since modern warfare...not buying
     
  35. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    No, you're a n00btuber. :tongue2:
     
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  36. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    Point streaks are a step in the right direction, but only if completing objectives wields more points than meaningless kills. If not, then it's pointless.
     
  37. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    Agreed. Something is always better than nothing, but I want at least 200 points for a capture. The standard 50 points is a 1/2 worth a kill in dom...

    I'm ****ing excited as hell for this game... I'm digging the three tier point streaks too. I can't wait to try the perk kill streak setup. 8 kills and you have all the perks? ****ing beast...

    I found it funny that the Infection game type will make its way into private matches (and maybe online playlist) since COD4 has been hacked and that is one of the gametypes. That would makee for a fun public lobby I think.
     
  38. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    I don't know if it was mentioned in the article, but killstreaks reset after you cycle through them.... that is going to be ****ing crazy with stackable KS. An AC 130 is going to get you another and another and another... not sure if that's a good idea.
     
  39. pennphinfan

    pennphinfan Stelin Canez Arcade Scorz

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    so i saw the dog-tags popping up over bodies after one killed them.... is that gonna be for a specific game tape or are you going to have to "collect" the points from your kills?

    I really hope not, though it would make the guy in the corner with a sniper rifle more eager to actually un-camp himself to go get his rewards
     
  40. PeaTearGriffin

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    Its a different game type. You have to get the dog tags before the other team does to get credit for the kill.
     

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