http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYpGz6kolQA Subject came up in another thread. Forgive the video quality, threw it together quickly and didn't have time to mess with format testing and conversions and stuff to make it as smooth as possible. Whether Vernon Carey is kept or cut, I can't help but wonder if Nate Garner deserves to be named a starter on the OL. I take it Alen disagrees but I think Garner is well suited for the changes to the ground game that Daboll will bring with him. He plays smart, head on a swivel, finds work and has some surprising agility and body control. These traits will avail him on zone plays. He's less suited to straight up power, where his inconsistency in getting off the snap often hurt him. But he was still a young player in 2009, when this video was compiled. I think he was only a second year, undrafted out of Arkansas. As a bonus I threw in Dramatic Brady and Fistpump Tony at the end.
i think a healthy Garner and the addition of Pouncey help stabilize this OL immensely and provides an alternative to Jerry or potentially Carey. i also look forward to what Kopa and Barbre bring to the table in camp.
I think Garner is our best guard, especially pass blocking, if his foot is now ok. I'd prefer to keep him inside and keep Carey if possible.
I don't think Nate Garner is not suited for it. I think Vernon Carey could do fine in it because its not a huge difference and because I don't see it being a scheme like everyone is predicting.
I could take this more seriously if you didn't only post the good plays. Jeez man, get with the freakin program already.
I didn't "only" post the good plays. I posted the good and the bad. The ones I left out were actually overwhelmingly "good" plays where he filled his assignment adequately, but I judged that it wasn't really an interesting block.
Sorry, if they had a Sarcastic Sans MS font then that would help the communication of sarcasm via the internet.
I agree completely. I am a sarcastic SOB although I mean no harm. Most of us appreciate your input and work even if we don't agree with everything you say. Buy you a beer? I have already booked Cleveland and Dallas for away games. Might get another in. See you there?
Problem with Garner is he just is injury prone, bet the house and him and the next week you have Lydon Murtha playing Guard. Or Berger/ To me we could use a Veteran, like last season when the brought in Randy Thomas for a look.
Wouldn't mind taking a look at Daryn Colledge or Mike Brisiel. Both seem like pretty mobile guards. At worst, bringing in one of them probably allows Richie Incognito to compete at RG along with Berger and Jerry. I'm still baffled at them wanting Richie to play LG...
How do you figure? In college, he never missed a game due to injury. With the Dolphins, other than the foot injury last year, I do not recall him ever missing time due to injury. He was a backup who never played as a rookie in 2008, and in 2009, he played when needed after starters were hurt. Does one injury constitute labeling a guy as injury prone?
I'd rather leave Garner at guard cause I have a feeling at some point he will outplay Jerry or Ritchie and be a significant improvement there. If they were seriously thinking of replacing Carey I doubt they would have ignored tackle in the draft to rely on Murtha who is severely overrated in some folks minds around here.
I couldn't help but notice that the Patriots knew what ****ing plays we were gonna run, look at that last play run to the left.. they stacked the left side of our line... Patriots still stealing signals.
This has come up before Mr C, he injured the other foot at some time either with the Jets or when he first arrived here. As for Garner, Carey maybe on the bubble due to the Cap and maybe signing some FA's, Garner makes a bit more sense at RT in that case, though Murtha maybe can start at RT, but he is also injury prone, which leaves us down to Marten and Copa two practice squadder types.
I don't really like the concept of him replacing Carey, and I don't really think that he is a good fit for long pull kind of stuff. He's in the same boat as John Jerry who is pretty athletic for his size and would be good on whatever zone and short pull stuff you need. They're basically right guards.
You got any proof? I never saw it come up before. All I have seen is before 2010 he never missed a game due to injury.
No thanks. You are the one claiming a guy who has only had one significant injury in 7 years is injury prone.
Well Mr C, if one is to lazy to look, and expects others to do the work to merely inform you, that is a "you" issue.
I've never heard of this either. I'm not about to start scouring the forum without even knowing what to search for, so I'll just assume it's not there. Garner did have like two surgeries on the same left foot stress fracture and that's a concern. But otherwise to my knowledge, clean injury history prior. And this one, he would have been able to start again by October or November, the Dolphins just decided they didn't want to wait. So it's not like he tore an ACL.
I've looked into this before and some Arkansas paper had the details, the problem being any google search for the information is simply choked with "dolphins place Garner on IR after foot surgery". His time with Jets is lost in a similar cloud. It's there.
He was with them for one training camp. When we claimed him off waivers, he would have needed to passed a physical.
I watched the film. I liked Berger 67 at center; getting a stalemate against Vince Wilfork is no easy matter. Watching Nate Garner; when he gets beat hes playing high and the DT gets under his pads. At 6'7" I wonder if hes better suited at OT wear he'll face a taller, longer, guy versus a fireplug with an attitude problem.
Just for reference I went through Google advanced search knocking out the years 2010 and 2011 and a separate search for his time with the Jets without any Miami references. I found as much as this guy: [video=youtube;3QGFiBsbOT8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QGFiBsbOT8[/video]
Me too. I only posted the away games I am traveling to so far. I'll probably make six trips all over the country to games this year again.
These days it appears an ACL tear or even replacement is no big deal anymore. Since they started using acl from corpses the recovery has improved tremendously. Garner is certainly a decent player but he broke his foot twice within a year, in the same exact place. Thats problematic right there. I am convinced Ronnies foot surgery is what turned him into the player he was last season. If you cannot or are afraid to put weight on your foot then it erodes ones confidence. Who knows, maybe Garners rehab on the foot or even the surgery itself were reason it broke again. All rehab is not the same and to be honest, from what I have seen in a lot of situations is all trainers are not the same. In fact some of them are way off on how they rehab certain situations. Do not know where Nate rehabbed but sometimes the way its done has a lot to do with the recovery. Even if it was at the team facility, which a lot of times its not, does not mean our trainers are the best at what they do. Excellent trainers are hard to come by these days and coaches and FO people can only go by what is advised to them by the trainers.
