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MERGED: Owners Approve Agreement / Players To Vote Later

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Conuficus, Jul 21, 2011.

  1. JMHPhin

    JMHPhin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Wow some fans will side with players no matter what.

    There is no way the owners voted to ratify w/o belief they had a deal. You can blather on all you want, side with whomever, I can tell you I am done, thgis fan has been strung along long enough, greedy m'fers both. I cannot sit and wait for either to actually side with fans and get football. I am so angry I cant even speak. So I wish I was strong willed to say I will never be back, but I most likely will. But I will not come back for a while.

    NFL = No Fans League or Not 4 Fans League
     
  2. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    The NFLPA agreed to include an opt-out clause in the old CBA, which by the way was a windfall for the players. Of course they were willing to stick with the old CBA. That's besides the point. They gave the owners a mechanism for escape, and the owners took it when they realized the deal wasn't working for them. That's on the NFLPA for agreeing to it, not the owners for exercising it.

    Revenue sharing is an agreement between the owners. The players don't have to ratify anything regarding revenue sharing. It is utterly irrelevant to them. The owners are agreeing how to split their 52%.
     
  3. CaribPhin

    CaribPhin Guest

    Heath Evans is bsing. He wasn't in the negotiating room.

    Dominique Foxworth, who was in the negotiating room, was gushing about this deal.
     
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  4. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    lol......de smith is like whoa whoa whoa guy, if we vote, I go back to being an unknown....

     
  5. Third Man

    Third Man Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    So then I guess by this quote "Maybe, maybe not. No one cares. The owners are ready to give the fans their football. At this point, that's all that matters" you were referring to the average ignorant ******* out there, not someone who actually knows the history of this thing.

    The exact provisions that were snuck in are unknown. In addition to some kinds of revenue sharing measures who's type and shape have not been made public yet, it's been widely reported that the resolutions to the various lawsuits had also not been agreed to.

    This is not how collective bargaining is supposed to work. One side is not supposed to ratify an agreement before a global settlement has been reached. It's bull****, plain and simple.
     
  6. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    Hell to the yeah
     
  7. CaribPhin

    CaribPhin Guest

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  8. Shoes

    Shoes Junior Member

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    Please pass tonight. I need some good news. See below.....

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  9. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    I was referring to the people who buy tickets, buy Sunday Ticket, buy jerseys, show up, love their teams, and follow football. You know, fans.

    You're not getting it:

    AGREEMENTS AMONGST OWNERS ARE NOT COLLECTIVELY BARGAINED. They do not need to be collectively bargained. The owners decided how they will split their share of the pie amongst themselves. They did not ratify a different CBA proposal than the one that was collectively bargained. They ratified the CBA that was agreed to between the NFL's negotiators and the NFLPA's negotiators, and then they ratified a separate agreement, applicable only amongst themselves, that governs how their 52% revenue share will be split amongst themselves.

    The fact that you think this is an affront to collective bargaining tells me you have no idea what issues actually apply to collective bargaining. Revenue sharing between teams is not a collectively bargained issue. The NFL collectively bargained with the players to determine how much of total revenue each side would get. The NFL then internally decided how its slice would be shared amongst the 32 teams. That's how it's supposed to work.
     
  10. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    Sorry to hear that....RIP...
     
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  11. Third Man

    Third Man Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You do not seem to be aware that issues over "revenue sharing" (which can mean a lot of things, not just what you're saying) are only a part of what was apparently put in the owners' proposal that had not been collectively bargained.
     
  12. CaribPhin

    CaribPhin Guest

    Sorry for your loss bro.
     
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  13. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Because they were issues that either did not need to be collectively bargained, or issues that DeMaurice Smith did not push to collectively bargain.

    For example, De Smith did not demand collective bargaining of revenue sharing.
     
  14. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    Smith to players: 'There is no agreement'

    http://eye-on-football.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22475988/30776033

    God damn it, this has gone on way too long now. Apparently the outcry from the fan base of "just get it done already" doesn't matter to the players.
     
  15. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    I don't blame the players at all. They're waiting for the documents the NFL ratified and they're going to take their time to examine them.

    The NFL's timeline of events is a joke. The players aren't bound by it. The league year will start when the players want it to.
     
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  16. Third Man

    Third Man Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    This quote from Smith's statement "...issues that needed to be collectively bargained remain open, other issues such as workers compensation, economic issues and end of deal terms remain unresolved" directly contradicts what you're saying.

    His statement also said that the union had "obviously" not been involved with the revenue sharing plan. This says to me perhaps that he agrees with what you're saying that that wasn't a necessary thing to be collectively bargained. The contention is that there were things still on the table that needed to be resolved that were not.
     
  17. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    Put the cork back in the champagne bottle. According to Smith's most recent comments this could go on a while longer.

    Also, Chester Pitts has been quoted in two different articles today alone saying that the lockout will last at least another 2 weeks and that the players are going to vote tonight. Don't put any stock in anything this dumbass says. He's just trying to get his last little bit of publicity before the season starts and he becomes just another mediocre offensive lineman that no one cares about.
     
  18. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Which no one is denying. Recall your original protest:

    "One side ratifying a proposal that includes provisions that have not yet been agreed to is completely shameless, and that's being kind."

    This description only applies to revenue sharing. If workman's comp, for example, hasn't been agreed to in collective bargaining, it can't be in the CBA by definition. Now, maybe the NFL included the workman's comp outlines from the 2006 CBA, in which case it's irrelevant because the NFLPA will continue to collectively bargain if they want different outlines. And then the owners will ratify the collectively bargained changes.

    But your spittle-trimmed outrage at the owners is unfounded. You would be best served tuning in to the NBA lockout, where you can repeat your claims with the added benefit of them being true.
     
  19. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    Just filed a story on a second email from NFLPA to player reps, breaking down issues with deal and, in particular, recertification timeline.
     
  20. rdhstlr23

    rdhstlr23 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I've held the notion, throughout this entire process, that games were going to be missed. This past week, my hopes were brightened with the news that things were wrapping up. This has dashed them.

    The Hall of Fame Game is cancelled. I've felt for a long time, that if any games were cancelled, preseason or season that I would not be re-newing my season tickets. I'm not going to.

    I love the sport. I enjoy watching it. However, just like MLB, it's dampened the enjoyment. For the longest time, NFL was the purest of the sports. It no longer is to me. Will I certainly take a rooting interest in the Dolphins? Yes. Will I discuss information here? Absolutely.

    Will the Miami Dolphins see a cent of my hard earned money? No. Will the local bar see a cent of my hard earned money to catch a Dolphins game out of market? No. Will I use a cent of my hard earned money on anything that isn't easily accessible or free or already paid to watch something of the NFL? No.

    Fantasy Football, fees, and the like...done.

    I just can't see how an agreement couldn't be completed with all the time given. As a person in sales, I can't tell you how frustrating it is to continually tap dance around a deal. They've done nothing but side-step, sugar-coat, and tap dance around getting the thing done. Now, they're in the 12th hour and things still haven't been completed.

    If there is any negative reaction from this both players and owners should only fault themselves.
     
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  21. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    I have a headache tonight.......
     
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  22. Vengeful Odin

    Vengeful Odin Norse Mod

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    I'm still a little bit confused. This is like giving myself a raise at work, going home, saying I got a raise, and all before my boss approved it.
     
  23. Shoes

    Shoes Junior Member

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    That's what she said.....
     
  24. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    Resembles a strike to me.

    But i'm with you it's weird.
     
  25. Third Man

    Third Man Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Mort is apparently now saying the players reviewed the fine print and will vote to ratify the deal tomorrow.

    Lots of conflicting information still, though.
     
  26. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    I think we need another thread about the lockout. There just haven't been enough as of yet. I need more!! Hurry!!!! :favre::omg:
     
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  27. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    Merrrr, I guess it's a little to much to ask for the players to just line up and just take up the a@# like the rest of us regular blokes.
     
  28. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    lol ...Sceeto?, let me ask you a very critical question...Is a frogs *** water tight?
     
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  29. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    The players could have handled this PR mess much better than what has happened today. What a complete disaster for them. And you have to blame the man at the top in De Smith. I'm still a little confused as to their disgust with the timeline set forth by the league in regards to July 30th and the expectation that the CBA would have to be ratified by then or the "old rules" are in place. That would seem to be a rather simple "deadline" that could be moved rather easily and agreed to by both sides.
     
  30. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Looks like it all came in too fast.
    Who is our player rep 04?
     
  31. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Our player rep is… wait for it… John Denney.

    The long snapper.
     
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  32. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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  33. Darrelle Revis

    Darrelle Revis I BELIEVE!

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    Get this done so the Green & White can win the SB!
     
  34. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    Where he plays and what he does on the team isn't that big of a deal. He needs to be able to communicate the context of the deal to his team. Thus, he needs to be able to read... and speak English... shouldn't be that difficult. Doesn't have to be a friggin lawyer.
     
  35. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    Who is the Jets player rep?
     
  36. BlameItOnTheHenne

    BlameItOnTheHenne Taking a poop

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    I'm guessing this is really old film.
     
  37. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Heath Evans can read and speak English, but he made a total idiot out of himself over the CBA tonight. :lol: He goes on Twitter to claim that the owners added bylines to the CBA that weren't agreed upon in negotiation, then goes on NFLN and admits he has no idea what if anything was added. Meanwhile, he isn't even a player rep, so he wasn't privy to the NFLPA conference call or the nitty gritty of the negotiations.

    Anyway, I wasn't trying to imply that Denney is an idiot or incapable because he's a long snapper. I just think it's funny that the long snapper, the most special of special teams players, is the player rep.
     
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  38. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    alot of pissed off fans tonight. The players are really testing the patience of them. Lets not forget though, it doesn't take 100% of the players to recertify and approve the deal. Just 51%.
     
  39. ASUFinFan

    ASUFinFan Uh huh

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    This is all extremely annoying. But, I can totally see the owners trying to shove this deal down the players' throats. It's plausible. Make the players look like the bad guys for no football, since the owners had already voted, the pressure had shifted squarely on the players' shoulders to get this deal done. With all of the PR media hype today, and with Goodell stating football is back Saturday, maybe they were hoping the players would cave. I guess we will all find out. Any missed games this season and I will have to definitely consider canceling my San Diego trip to see the Dolphins play in October. Would be an expensive trip...one that I could definitely skip...and put that money right back into my own pocket...

    As things stand now, I already believe we are going to see a washed down style of football. Stuff is going to be very vanilla for awhile, and tons of players are going to get injured, tons. Add that to missed games this season...and hell...colour me disinterested.
     

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