MERGED: Owners Approve Agreement / Players To Vote Later

I believe it's Tony Richardson.

 

How about you win a championship game before you win the SB?

 

That's a trip Sick.

 

What do you consider vanilla in a league that's already vanilla?

 

Very good point.

 

I'm sure it will be done by the year never doode

 

Yup the Eagles.

 

Well you know its almost the start of the season when Jet fans are claiming to be the next champions of the world.........its like that one Bill Murray movie................caddyshack......or space jam or something.....

 

Titanic?

 

God I hate that movie.

 

Thats the one with the gopher and chevy chase right?

Communist.

 

Need some help. Now the NFLPA lawyers are coming out and saying that what the owners are doing with "requiring" the NFLPA to re-certify is illegal. See quote below:

"It's not only pegging the date, but it's making a deal contingent on the reforming of a union," Feldman said. "Which would be management pressuring employees to form a union -- which is illegal. You can't, as an employer, force or coerce your employers to form a union. …

Sorry, the players CANNOT have their cake and eat it to. This is a partnership. You hear the argument for the owners saying that the players are employees of the owners. If you ever asked your boss if you could receive more money based on the profit of the organization, your boss would more then likely say "sorry", especially in our current economy.

But the argument on the other side was always that this relationship between the owners and players is different to a typical corporate organizational relationship. They are more partners then employees and bosses. Therefore, this garbage about the owners requiring the NFLPA to re-certify being illegal is more crap that is only going to hold up this deal and will once again question the loyalty of a lot of fans. The NFL is an f'd up organization and that includes the NFLPA and it's players. They are so spoiled from their success that if they aren't careful, all that success could be lost.

 

The NFLPA is correct, though. It is a violation of federal law for employers to coerce employees to form a union.

 

I'm not sure how anyone can be mad at the players for not voting on this right away. We're talking about billions of dollars. Its a 700 page document. Would anyone sign their mortgage agreement with such haste?

 

Yeah it's pretty clear, the owners can't legally demand the players re-certify.

Schmolioot brought this point up before. Back in 1993, it took years after a CBA was agreed upon for the players to re-form the Union. The owners want this to happen overnight. Maybe that's not realistic. I think it could happen, but it's as unreasonable for the owners to demand it happen immediately as it is for the players to drag their feet on it.

One thing is for certain the players are wise to comb over the 400 page CBA document before voting on it. There may be some ignorant voices popping off about this or that (no more or less than various fringe owners that pop off about this or that), but the simple fact of the matter is they need to go over the agreement and make sure everything is in line with what they thought.

 

So?

 

It's not the actual CBA that they are having disagreements about. It's solely about the individual law suits and how they get resolved and most importantly about the NFL asking the NFLPA to re-certify as of x date. The 700 pages of the CBA has been vetted out by both sides over the last 5 months. Both sides have been working through that document together which is why everyone was confused at first as to why the players were holding up on signing. Now it has come out that it's basically just the re-certification issue.

 

No, the document hasn't been vetted. It was an evolving document.

 

So whats the point of De Smith and the NFLPA lawyers in the first place? The Magistrate demanded that those with decision making power be present at the negotiations which was supposedly done. But then when a deal is supposedly reached we find that there is a layer of decision making above the elected officials by the NFL? Thats whats confusing me? If I was De Smith, I'd just go planking in various baseball and basketball stadiums.

 

Yes, actually it has. It's the provisions that don't really show up in the CBA but are more part of the calendar.

Sal Pal (part of the owner side reporting) and Mike Lombardi (part of the player side reporting) have both reported this same exact thing.

 

I would love some evidence that the 700 page document was provided the players before the owners voted on it.

 

The point of the lawyers is to read the 700 page document, and determine if it reflects what was actually agreed upon in negotiations.

 

I was under the impression that the NFLPA lawyers helped draft the document with the NFL lawyers during the weekends when the owners didn't report to the offices. I guess I'm just confused on how how the NFLPA/Players now act like they had no involvement in the drafting of the agreement. I thought that was the whole purpose of them being there TOGETHER.

 

Who knows exactly what document the owners voted for???? It could have been completely different than what they agreed upon. Now, its very likely that most of what is in that document was drafted with help from both sides. But you cant actually be certain of that until you go through the entire document. As has been noted, there were provisions added in. Some say that those provisions aren't relevant to the NFLPA. But even so, one should probably take their time when agreeing to a 700 page document that will lock you into a multi-billion dollar partnership for 10 years.

 

The re-certification of the union is really not a big deal and there is no reason for the league to demand it be done by Tuesday, except to pressure the players.

Based on Mortensen's reports, it seems that the players want to vote on the settlement and then reform the union during training camp at which time all other issues (workman's comp, etc.) can be ironed out. It seems a reasonable position to me, unless the league is anticipating hundreds of lawsuits from incoming rookies or free agents.

 

Gotcha. So there's a supposed delta with the voted upon document and the document that the NFLPA helped draw up with the NFL during the negotiatiosn. I guess my next question after that would be. If there is a delta between the two documents why hasn't anyone identified what the delta is and spoken on it? Last night when Heath Evans and Kirk Morrison talked, it was "I don't know whats different" type talk. None of this is really making much sense. Everyone is pointing to stuff being changed, but no one is saying what changed.

 

I think it just needs a little time.

Patience is a virtue

 

Me too! HATE it!!! It's not like there is any great mystery. Big ship hits iceberg it sinks people die the end. I'm not a big fan of DeCaprio anyway, except when he played Johnny Depp's ******ed brother.

 

The players will sign when its an ultimatum on losing the first preseason game if they don't, so whenever that day is, expect the deal.

 

a double scoop of vanilla! Ha

 

The NFLPA isn't saying anything to the press today (maybe they will late tonight) because they are trying to respect Robert Kraft's wife who is having her funeral today.

 

Why did you think that???

 

Sounds very much like things have collapsed fellas.

INOW, we just wasted a whole lot of time.

 

lol You guys got your hopes up way too quickly.

 

Listening to ESPN radio and the apologetics on Twitter, they do not spell "deal done" quite the opposite.

Now the cancellation of the HoF game makes more sense, it was over 2 weeks away as it was, why cancel it unless....

 

Ya, you'd almost think the media makes money when people watch their coverage.

And I'm sure the owners had no intention of posturing at all when they made that move.

 

In the words of a "kinda famous" band, ""I'm Sooo Tired" of all of this.