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Players Have No Right To Vote

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Southbeach, Jul 22, 2011.

  1. Southbeach

    Southbeach Banned

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    After countless hours of absorbing tons of info, one thing is clear. The players have no right whatsoever to vote on this CBA. I know they have to but, they haven't a clue as to what is going on. Most here know much more on the issues than any player.


    The same can be said of some owners but, they know business and negotiation, players do not.


    The vast majority of the players, if not all, could take this multiple hundreds of pages of a CBA home for a month, and still know little. Yet, they are going to decide the future income of thousands of players.


    It's hard to figure out how to solve this problem, other than letting agents vote for players.


    In the meantime, owners did the one thing that would piss these players off in showing "disrespect" and telling them what they "have to do." What the hell were they thinking?


    All they had to do was to STFU and let them vote. Pissing contests fascinate me when people know better but, still have to take their shots.


    Amazing
     
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  2. ether79

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    THats why players pay lawyers and people like De. Smith tremendous money to tell them if the deal is fair or not.
     
  3. CaribPhin

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    I saw the thread title and though that it came out the NFL was employing illegal immigrant labor and everyone was getting deported.
     
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  4. Southbeach

    Southbeach Banned

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    I give most NFL players much more credit than that, and you should as well. However, when it come to an overly complicated 10 year labor agreement, they have no reason to have any say. They know less than nothing when it comes down to legalities and business negotiations.

    I would bet that at least 90% of the 1900 players could not read and understand the CBA if given to them.
     
  5. Southbeach

    Southbeach Banned

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    Nah, that's baseball. :)
     
  6. MikeHoncho

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    Aroldys Chapman read this and lol'd
     
  7. Southbeach

    Southbeach Banned

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    Who Dat?
     
  8. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

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    Frustrated much?
     
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  9. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    What's wrong with them??? It's as if they spent their entire lives practicing sports or something!
     
  10. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    The reason there hasn't been a player vote is because they weren't finished negotiating. Simple as that.

    The owners ratified a document containing their terms for the remaining issues that had not yet been agreed upon, as well as -- depending on who you read -- altered terms which were previously agreed upon, which the players didn't actually receive until last night.

    That's just bad form. Nobody's gonna go along with that. Short-term 'smart' in that the owners have successfully shifted public pressure onto the players. But the players ain't gonna be bullied. And all it does is introduce distrust and bad blood into what had (finally) become a productive negotiating process. The players could care less about the preseason anyway. They don't get paid for it. If I were in their shoes, I'm in no hurry to sign what might be a bad deal for all I know right now. And I'm not going to let an artificial deadline like the preseason force my hand.

    As far as the player vote itself, what makes this any different than any other large union voting on a CBA? Are NFL players intellectually inferior to the factory workers, etc. in other walks of life that you described?

    Like any other union, you have a hierarchical leadership structure in place whose job is to make the deals, explain the terms to membership in plain English and whether or not it's a good deal.

    Smith/Lawyers~Executive Council ---> Team Reps ---> Players
     
  11. ether79

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    Or they were just graduated from each class, regardless of what they did, starting in junior high sports just because they could play a sport, shawn kemp as an example.
     
  12. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    Perhaps the best example is Dexter Manley.

    The best defensive end in the league, testifying before Congress that he couldn't read.
     
  13. ether79

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    YEs, i remember that, Kemp is just always fresh in my mind. HE could read, but at a third grade level. Right about the grade where he began playing Junior high b-ball because of his height. Then social/sports grade promotion took over.
     
  14. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    I don't believe (I could be wrong) the players will be voting on the CBA per se. They have already given Smith the authority to craft a new deal on their behalf. Smith and his legal team are, I'd imagine, weeding through the docs they received last night and will or will not recommend the deal. The players will be voting on whether or not to: A. take Smith recommendation and B. recertifying the union.

    The part that really gets me is that Smith and Goodell have been attached at the hip for the past month and reports from the players appear to point to new stipulations from the owners, yet I haven't seen one report that cites any specific instance.


    The good news is that the Noles should be in the mix for the BCS.
     
  15. Da 'Fins

    Da 'Fins Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    It really should not be a difficult issue. I really don't see why the NFLPA leadership is submitting this for a vote at all. The leadership (Smith, the reps and attorneys) should look over the deal and either sign off on it - then present it to the players; or don't sign off on it and send it back to the owners with the changes.

    It's that simple. Unless Smith, the reps and legal are befuddled as to whether it's a good deal, I don't get what they are doing. They should simply say, "This is a bad deal - don't vote for it; we'll make changes" or "It's a decent deal, the best we will get, we suggest you vote for it."

    The alternative is that Smith and others in leadership really aren't sure what to think of the deal (which is not a good sign for the players).
     
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  16. BlameItOnTheHenne

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    Someone's mad.
     
  17. NaboCane

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    D. Smith and the 32 delegates from the teams are the ones reviewing the proposal, and when they're done they'll vote to recommend either ratification of the deal, or rejection.

    It's the way it works in every union, I don't know what the fuss is. I know we're all impatient for this to be over and for the season to officially begin, but it's not OUR livelihoods on the line, it's the players'.

    If the owners hadn't tried to sneak in extra provisions not previously agreed upon to their proposal, then underhandedly tried to obtain ratification from the players before they could examine the new changes, the players wouldn't be so pissed off.

    And they have every right to be upset; like Hardkore said on fh, it's like you agreeing to buy something from a seller for $100 but when you shake on it the seller says, "Right, $115 it is."

    When someone deals with you in bad faith, you're going to look upon anything coming from that person with suspicion henceforth. It's to be expected.

    You want to be mad at someone be mad at the owners; all they had to do was submit exactly what was agreed upon in all those weeks of dealing and this would already be over.
     
  18. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    That's what I'm talking about. What provisions did the owners try to sneak in?
     
  19. Disgustipate

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    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...efore-the-leagues-approval-of-the-labor-deal/

    The stuff that was not "closed" in negotiations. Basic professionalism, and I'd think common sense would be that you would finish negotiations before approving and expecting the other party to approve, rather than just make up whatever you please and hope they don't catch it or are pressured into accepting it once you got most of it done.

    But hey the owners are rich and from a moral standpoint that makes them a step above everyone else.
     
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  20. unluckyluciano

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    This is why people should learn to take things like college and high school ball way less seriously, but I do wonder if it starts at the top though.
     
  21. ether79

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    To me it really just seems all about winning. I think this is the issue with college basketball and football. What do we expect these kids to do, they have been put on a pedestal most of their lives, once it was learned that they had talent. Its not about education or personal betterment for the top level players, its about personal gain. Of course that will continue on into college and later life.
    You don't see it much in this area with football, but I have recent example for basketball. Greg Oden. He is from the town I live in, was obviously talented at an early age and played AAU basketball. He was to be enrolled at Terre Haute South HS, however due to playing with Mike Conley Jr. in AAU basketball with Mike Conely Sr as coach he was recruited to play at another high school. Miraculously Oden's mom, who was a secretary at a law firm in town was offered a tremoundous job in Indianapolis in the same school district as the HS Conely was going to attend as he entered HS, Lawrence North., just days before registration for incoming freshman was to begin. This ahppens all the time in Indiana for basketball. By any NCAA standard that would be a huge violation. Lawrence North won 3 straight titles with Conley and Oden and the whole thing was celebrated. WINNING! Thats all it is about at the earliest levels of competition. Now saying that, I have the been around Oden several times and he is a fantastic person.
     
  22. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    Thanks. I hadn't seen anything that says the owners tried to put anything into the deal that Smith didn't know about, other than time frames. And from what I read today, the time frames are fluid. If this happens today, this happens tomorrow kind of stuff.
     

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