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Here is what happened with Orton

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by padre31, Jul 29, 2011.

  1. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    wow...if this is true. nevermind. forget Orton. I like him, but not for that kind of money.
     
  2. steveincolorado

    steveincolorado Spook, Storme & Pebbles

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    It's part of the 9 bil dollar plan.
     
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  3. Alex13

    Alex13 Tua Time !!! Club Member

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    the truth is kolb money back and forth the deal kolb signed is not that big for a starting QB in this league, its just the pressure of would orton really outplay henne in camp, when he is late and henne had all offseason to practice with the guys
     
  4. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    I seem to have my moments. Somewhere.
     
  5. girthvader44

    girthvader44 Prepare to Die....

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    Finally someone gets my avatar, thank you.
     
  6. Alex13

    Alex13 Tua Time !!! Club Member

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    look at this guys :

    Jeff Darlington But a source just told me Matt Moore's original top destination, b/c of relationship with John Fox, was Denver.

    JeffDarlington Jeff Darlington
    Again, I don't want to get too deep into conspiracy theories. But my sources in organization are being very quiet about it. Just...weird.
     
  7. Alex13

    Alex13 Tua Time !!! Club Member

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    this orton thing won´t stop

    BenVolinPBP Benjamin Volin



    RT @MichelleBeisner: Just spoke with a reliable source in Denver.....There was NEVER an official offer made by the Dolphins for Orton!!
     
  8. CaribPhin

    CaribPhin Guest

    Just like we never actually put together a contract offer out there for Harbaugh. Seems Ross learned how to appease fans by faking and Sparano learned at his feet.
     
  9. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Odd, the Broncos blogger said that was not the issue, Orton's contract demands were the issue.
     
  10. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    See, if you follow it the facts come out in non sound byte form...
     
  11. 2k5

    2k5 I miss Ted Ginn Jr.

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    I think we can all agree that no one knows for sure what's happening.
     
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  12. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I think that sums it up about as closely as any of us can do, without actually being at the table.
     
  13. finfansince72

    finfansince72 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    So we want Orton but we balked at paying him like a starting NFL Qb? I can't really blame Orton, I wouldn't give up millions of dollars for a training camp competition either. He's has much more success in the NFL than Henne or Tebow, I wouldn't take a paycut if I was Orton either. Orton has had more success than Kolb too and Kolb just got 20mill guaranteed money from the insane Cards, that probably did us in for this deal.
     
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  14. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    The elite LG, IMO, can only be Justin Blalock. I'd be happy to see us sign him and move Richie to his more natural RG spot.
     
  15. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    So we know for sure that we do not know for sure. It is good to feel sure about one thing.
     
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  16. SnakeoilSeller

    SnakeoilSeller New Member

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    Just because the Cardinals overpaid for Kolb, does not mean the Fins should overpay for Orton. When it was a 4th or 5th ok, but a second AND Kolb money **** that! I like Orton and all but he is not worth it.
     
  17. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Sounds about right to me at least, would love to have Orton in Miami but if he wants 10 million per, he just is not quite worth that number.

    That would be what..500k per Td?

    That is Elite Qb money imho.
     
  18. nyuk nyuk

    nyuk nyuk New Member

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    A lot of people don't think the 2nd rounder was in play. There is, however, coming from a Miami Herald sports writer, information that the deal is not dead and talks are ongoing.
     
  19. Kanye West

    Kanye West 'Parcells' Guy

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    I wanted him to be a dolphin so bad.....pay the man. Chad you got this year to prove yourself please get us to the playoffs
     
  20. nyuk nyuk

    nyuk nyuk New Member

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    The figure floating around up here was a 4 year deal for $6M per. That was after the Kolb deal went down. Apparently it was all but done until the Kolb deal went down and then Orton got jealous and hiked his demands. I don't know what the pre-Kolb contract figures were.
     
  21. nyuk nyuk

    nyuk nyuk New Member

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    He still may. Perhaps the Moore guy was drafted to be #2 to Orton once Henne's butt is kicked out of Miami.
     
  22. nyuk nyuk

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    I can't disagree. The Kolb deal was ridiculous. However, a 4th or a 5th isn't ok with a 4th round veteran who is a solid pocket QB. That's a slap in the face.
     
  23. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    So you're saying there's a chance.....
     
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  24. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Only read the first couple of posts in this thread, so if there's something else posted prior to my posting, keep that in mind so with that being said...

    I'm GLAD this deal is dead and I hope everyone will look at this from this particular point of view. Remember all of the posts...all of the comments by Dolphins players during the lockout PRAISING Chad Henne and his leadership during player led workouts? Remember all of the comments from the players at the new found level of respect they had for him?

    Now, can you just imagine how this team would have reacted had this trade gone through? Kyle Orton pops into the Dolphins locker room, presumably traded to come in as the Dolphins starting quarterback...after the summer in which Henne stood up and beame their leader...the man the team looked to...the man who was taking charge and leading the team...only to put into a position of, "hey, thanks for what you did this past summer, but take a seat, we got a new stud in town"?

    The team's moral would have been CRUSHED!!!!! There would have been internal bickering within the locker room and a team divided has ZERO chance of succeeding on the field.

    I told everyone that the lockout could indeed be a blessing in disguise...for the team to come together and become a strong cohesive unit. Had this trade happened, all of that work the players did on their own would have been destroyed.
     
  25. finfansince72

    finfansince72 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I don't think any of this would be an issue at all if Orton looked better in camp. Players follow the guys they think they can win games with. Organizing workouts is awesome but if Orton outperformed Henne in practice and camp the team would gravitate towards him and there wouldn't be any issues with morale. You run into morale issues when players don't perform on the field and the front office sticks with them over a player the team sees performing better.
     
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  26. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    Which, incidentally, is why Denver wants to trade Orton in the first place. They know he'll beat Tim Tebow. They know that John Fox will have no choice but to name him the opening day starter or risk losing the locker room before he's even had a chance to win it. Their problem, ironically, is that they can't play the promising rookie because the incumbent starter is too darn good.

    If Miami still wants a piece of Orton (and there's plenty reports saying they do), then it needs to be done quickly. As soon as Orton has established himself as the best QB on their roster in camp, Denver will have a hard time dealing him away.
     
  27. finfansince72

    finfansince72 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I never understood the Tebow pick, Tebow needs like 3 years to be as good as Orton is now. Thats not saying Orton is great but why draft a guy that has major throwing issues and needs to work for years just to be as good as a guy you already have? Not sure what Denver is doing.
     
  28. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    Well, it was Josh McDaniels' idea and the guy managed to make more downright awful decisions in two seasons than most bad GMs manage over a full career. I still think that spending a 1st and 2nd round selection on Alphonso Smith only to trade him away for Dan Gronkowski a year later ranks as the most boneheaded move I've ever witnessed.

    In the case of Tebow, McDaniels' has left Fox and Elway between a rock and a hard place. They know that Kyle Orton is a better quarterback right now and that Tebow is raw. But their fanbase doesn't just want to see Tebow play - they crave it. And while Orton's good, he's not quite good enough to make that craving go away. The same way we want the next Marino, they want the next Elway, and since Orton's not it, expectations in the rookie skyrocket. There's a lesson to be learned here: If you do have a decent starter, don't draft a 1st round QB.
     
  29. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    personally, I'm through speculating on QB's
     
  30. finfansince72

    finfansince72 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Well if you start letting the fans dictate who you start you're a goner. I'm kind of surprised that Elway would actually buy into Tebow as a starter. I don't think Denver has attendance issues so I don't know why they would feel the pressure and if they did they should have traded Tebow in the offseason.
     
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  31. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    It is the hardest position to accurately evaluate IMO. For scouts or fans. Especially projecting them from college to the pros.
     
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  32. nyuk nyuk

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    Denver fans have gotten together on the Broncos Forums and have some offerings for an Orton trade. Take a look.

    :yes:
     
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  33. nyuk nyuk

    nyuk nyuk New Member

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    Whoever beats out the others is the starter, and that will be Orton, unless he's traded.
     
  34. ToddsPhins

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    Does it involve flying me to Denver and lots of beer drinking at Falling Rock TapHouse?
     
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  35. Georgia Fin

    Georgia Fin Fin For Life

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    Damn I thouht Dolphin fans were down on their QBs. Still think it happens soon. BTW, somebody better fix that Snoopy Sno Cone Macine, those boys sound hungry.
     
  36. ToddsPhins

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    1 bucket of KFC for all the Denver fans to split? I'd at least ask for baked beans & slaw too.










    and a biscuit.
     
  37. nyuk nyuk

    nyuk nyuk New Member

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    There's another thread of people threatening to not watch the team if Orton starts. This is really getting ugly.
     
  38. nyuk nyuk

    nyuk nyuk New Member

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    I asked for the KFC. Didn't want to get greedy.
     
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  39. steveincolorado

    steveincolorado Spook, Storme & Pebbles

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    Mmmmmm, beans
    My coworkers hate when I eat those things.
     
  40. nyuk nyuk

    nyuk nyuk New Member

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    If you can move Orton, you bet.
     

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