I said it back on draft day that I didn't see him as a center. I saw him a LG from day one and that him and Long seal up the left side of the line. O'Hara at center is fine with me, but where this leaves Incognito is a mystery to me. Feniga will be starting at RG, so Incognito won't line up there. Hate for him to ride the bench, especially after we just signed him to a new 3 year deal, but that is what it looks like is about to happen. Then again, based on our history with injuries on the OL... I am sure Incognito will get plenty of playing time.
I would hope that is the case. I had high hopes for Jerry. Kinda sad to see how much he has fallen in the coaches eyes. Hope he can get it turned around, because he can be a HUGE asset.
Hopefully we will be able to add him to the list of Dolphins Tony has successfully shifted back and forth between positions. My over/under figure for the number of times Pouncey goes from practicing as a center to practicing as a guard to center to guard etc is 3 this preseason, 5 for the season. And I'll take the Over. Mad scientist Tony is a lock to constantly shuffle interior linemen to the detriment of chemistry and development.
He since admitted it was a mistake and he did too much of it and he won't do the same this year. Let's hope he can resist the urge.
Not really, they do not appear to know what the hell they are doing when it comes to the Oline anyway, so what difference to JJ?
I guess that Pouncey at LG has always been a possibility, and I don't mind O'Hare as a player, but dear God, the ressources we put and continue putting into the OL are just insane.
It would be one thing if we ended up with a great OL, but we don't. The Jerry pick looks more horrible now then it did on draft day and if Pouncey is playing LG then that pick was ridiculous as well. The only reason Pouncey made any sense in the first round was to play center.
Personally I'll be upset if Pouncey is moved to Guard. You draft a prospect as a Center which is the QB of the O Line and calls for special talents that no other position on the line does then he needs to stay there and develop. How long has it been since we've had a top Center? Are you telling me we drafted a Guard project player in the mid 1st round? BPK is probably correct......... unfortunately. Pouncey will be moved back and forth and it will inhibit his development.
O'Hara was scheduled to make like 3.5mil for the Giants this season before they cut him. He wasn't willing to rework his deal either. Wonder what kind of money we'd have to give him to sign?
I find it surprising that Miami hasn't looked into Olin Kreutz. If they were really interested in putting Pouncey at guard, I would assume they would be chasing him.
I really think that They will keep Pouncey at center. It's where he needs to be. I have no problem bringing O'Hara in to fill a guard spot and mentor Pouncey. That would be the best situation. Then you can put Incognito at the other guard spot.
Problem is that he is not his brother. Can't expect him to be that, and I don't. I fully expected him to be a LG when we drafted him and I believe that, in the NFL, it will be a more natural position for him. Did we draft a center who is going to play guard? Yes. Is he a project at that postion? No. Remember, he played LG in college up until last season. He is a LG by nature with 28 starts there before replacing his brother. I hope he doesn't get bounced around, but with Sparano you never know.
The reports so far have had Pouncey at C, not at G....remember O'Hara can play G as well. I'd like to see Ritchie back at RG, his best spot with Pouncey at C...it certainly appears they are unhappy with Jerry so O'Hara, if he'll play G might make sense...' I gotta also think that Garner needs to be our swing T, cause if Long or Carey have injuries, we are weak at the T spots...
First huge clue was that the roster listed Pouncey as C/G. Lol. Ah Tony. You funny little man. What do you dream of at night? A world filled with Hall of Fame hybrid center/guards with incredible position flexibility? Do they run across the plains as plentiful as the thundering herds of mighty buffaloes? Do you smile and coo as your moustache twitches in your sleep? Yes, Pouncey is a dream toy for Tony. And Tony loves to play with his toys. But if Tony doesn't start to take better care of his toys, someday someone is going to take them all away.
I would be ok with that. At the same time, I would also like to have the Pro Bowl vet at center and have Pouncey play his natural position of LG. He can then also groom Pouncey to take over from him a couple of years down the line. In the meantime we get a stable center who doesn't get a baptism by fire and we have a LG who will have Pro Bowlers on both sides of him. Win-Win.
It isn't in the coaches eyes, it was in the eye's of everyone that paid attention , really disliked the pick at the time and now? it looks like a disaster to be blunt. I guess if you miss at 3 you take in round 1?
Forget O'Hara. I'd rather see Pouncey play at center and Brian Waters come in at guard for a one to two year stopgap.
I think Pouncey will stay at center for a while, Sparano's gonna give him a chance..we'll see if he has enough time to get the offense down, if not, move him over to guard let O'hara play center.
Imagine if this regime had spent the same picks and money it has spent on the Oline on the most important position on the field instead: QB A number one overall. 3rd rounder 4th rounder 2 sixth rounders $54.5 million in contract money (5 yr deals - Smiley and Grove) ... As opposed to what they have done, which is spend two seconds (one on a non-traditional style QB) and no sizeable Free agents (please don't count Moore). If we swapped the resources we've spent on those areas, I think we'd be better off today. A weaker Oline? Maybe. Two seconds is nothing to sneeze at for selecting guards. Our weak spot would have been LT. Just a thought.
Well I watched Pouncey at Center yesterday and he looked very good to me. I havent been following the O'Hara situation... but I saw no reason to move him from Center after the first day of practice... I was in favor of playing Pouncey at Guard before we drafted him... but I've changed my opinion.
Now that I think about it, I think O'Hara would play Right Guard while Pouncey stayed at Center. Awful conspicuous surrounding a rookie Center with two consummate veteran Guards that have played Center, isn't it? Not a coincidence, they (Incognito and O'Hara) are going to A) Teach Pouncey to make the line calls, B) Make the line calls for him, or C) Both.
That's another reason I'd wonder why the interest in a veteran Pro Bowl C, rather than one of those guards. Gugs has recent history with O'Hara, and Tony knows him from 2000 with the Browns, but Tony has recent history with Davis too. So if you want a guard why not Davis, if the plan is to leave Pouncey at C?
Exactly. You have a top flight Guard for the taking, it would make more sense to take him for right now. I can see what Ck is saying about the teaching aspect and them making the calls on the line, but it just seems to me if we were looking to fill G...get G.
This makes perfect sense to me and would probably yield a fairly good line for the year. I think I would try sign O'Hara to a single year though.
I think it's because they want O'Hara to make the calls. He's said before I think when they drafted Pouncey that the Center doesn't have to make the calls. Incognito's experience at Center and making the calls doesn't compare with O'Hara's. This could be viewed by them as an opportunity to add Shaun's eyes and experience to the line while still getting Pouncey's youth and legs at the swing position.
What makes sense to me is if you sign a center who made the Pro Bowl the last 3 seasons at center, you play him at center. Also the position he considers his natural position. You put the rookie at the position he played much more of in college, guard.
CK, right on target .... the question is Pouncey's ability to make line calls -- he didn't get the benefit of any OTCs or even a playbook, much less lining up in front of a defense to make the blocking calls. Pouncey is talented - and surely seems to have the physical talent to be our C ... the question is - can he make the calls. Richie helps .... but he isn't a life long C. Berger can help as well ... but if we bring in a C/G -- then Berger will surely be cut. I read as others that Kreutz is 'considering' retirement ... but if given a reasonable deal - i'm pretty sure we could sign him for 2 years. Now that would be a mentor for Pouncey! I'd be pretty satisfied with a Long, Pouncey, Kreutz, Incognito, Carey starting OL for the next 2 years .....
I hear where you're coming from and there is merit, however since I don't believe we are seriously in contention for anything this year I would like to see Puncey get real experience at the position he was drafted for. That being said it's all out the window if he proves incapable of filling the center position.