Writing was on the wall that Chad Henne would be Miami Dolphins' Starter

I don't agree that writing was on the wall that he was going to be the starter. I really believe Miami wanted Carson Palmer, but he wasn't available. I believe they still want Kyle Orton, but Denver won't accept our price. I think they believe Matt Moore can come in and challenge Chad Henne for the position.

I think they were comfortable with the option that he is the starter this year. I believe they wanted to bring in a QB that challenged him/unseated him and they feel they've done it for the best price they could. If Henne won the competition then only validates their feelings of he progressed last year in their eyes, was good enough to use a high draft pick on in 2008 etc.

Matt Moore will not only need to beat out Chad Henne. He will need to look VERY good and Chad Henne to struggle. I think if it's close, the familiarity of Chad Henne will have Sparano give him the nod--which is understandable. Go with what's comfortable. Is that the correct decision? We'll see. We'll see how things play out the next month.

 

Im a Henne supporter, but the excuses stop this season. I personally believe this years QB class is great (Landry Jones, Andrew Luck, Matt Barkley). Henne doesn't get us 9+ win season, hes out. (Unless we're losing games 37-40 or something) I do believe the reason we didnt go get Orton is that we have a good shot at a QB in next years draft and paying to commit to Orton would be a bad move.

With that said, Go henne.

 

Theres just very little value-added in free agency. You rarely can get someone that will outplay their contract.

 

Pretty much this for me too, save for the Orton thing.

 

Agreed, not a big name "signing" anyway the real gold in FA is the small ball stuff that Ireland typically is rather good at, Starks, Wake, he is quite good at it.

Imho what FA does accomplish is you can fill in blanks for some questions, Oline, Dline, guys who maybe don't score Td's but have a role to play, watch Ronald Fields will surprise everyone..which is one of the expectations I have for Matt Moore, a low dollar "quiet" FA signing of the type Ireland excels at doing.

 

Glad they went to work on this right away.




















............if 4 years later=right away.

 

My post had nothing to do with Henne. It had to do with the offense in general. There are still plenty of needs on the offensive side of the ball. To suggest there aren't would be asinine. We DO need another good WR. We DO need a proven, solid RB. To think otherwise would be crazy.

 

Agree with most of this.

I like the fact that we recognized the need to upgrade all those positions and did an admirable job via the Draft (I don't think we could've come out with a better C,TE,WR, RB combination even if we had the opportunity to re-do it all after the draft).

BUT, that doesn't address the need of having at least 1 body at TE or WR who can impact (and aid Henne) NOW.

 

Nope. I think you pretty much nailed it all.

 

The extra talent brought in around Henne doesn't mean a hill of beans if it's not up to speed with the rest of the league. It needs to be developed first.

 

Hypothetically, if the team completely falls apart again at virtually every level, then it wont be any 1 person's fault if we don't reach 9 wins.

 

Odd, Stringer Bell got it quickly.

 

We both speak the language of avarice GMJ..

 

I'm not sure where he actually cited a team's record as a basis for anything???????????

 

exactly.

2008 Cassel looks solid on a great Pats team and wins 12 games.

2009 Cassel goes to a bad KC team, plays 10th toughest schedule, 24th ranked field position.........and he CANT BREAK a 70 QBR, 3000 yards, 55%, or 6 avg..... and wins 4 games. Miami fans would've been clamoring for Kyle Orton.

2010 Cassel looks good again against 28th ranked schedule, 9th ranked field position..... and wins 10 games with a ground game that leads NFL in rushing (also 7 less fumbles) while having a D that gives up much less big plays.



2009 Freeman looks horrible facing the #1 toughest schedule on a Bucs team with a ground game that ranked: 23rd in YPG, 25th in YPC, 25th in 1st down %, 28th in fumbles (12), 32nd in 40+ yard runs (0).

2010 Freeman looks much better than he really is verse the 25th ranked strength of schedule, defense that allows far fewer big plays...... and a ground game that ranked: 8th in YPG, 6th in YPC, 10th in 1st down %, 14th in fumbles (7), 3rd in 40+ yards runs, and 4th in 20+ yard runs.



YOu know what an excuse maker would do?
An excuse maker would say that none of those other factors really mattered and that it was actually the young QB who made the difference.


Freeman was not a 95 QBR passer with a 4:1 TD-INT ratio. Those numbers are reserved for top QBs of the league, and Josh was not that.
One only has to rewatch the Bucs-Steelers game (where he looked completely overwhelmed) to recognize this.
And his stat line is no indication of how bad he really played.
Henne's performance against the same elite defense made Freeman's look like a 3rd stringer by comparison.

 

Point of order there TP, if one looks at Cassel's turnaround, start no further then the running game coming back to life, they played ground and pound really well, with Charles blossoming.

We need someone to step up for us as Charles did for KC in 2010, could be Bush, could be Sheets or Grigsby.

 

From this evenings' scrimmage..oh boy...it would seem the fanbase does not share the enthusiasm for Chad Henne's "chosen one" status...

 

They are just ignorant to the fact that if the receivers were faster then he wouldn't be underthrowing balls.

 

What a huge heaping bowl of **** do our boys have in their laps now???????

 

It is only the 4th practice of camp while installing a new playbook. People just dont have any patience. It also sounds like his receivers arent doing Henne any favors either.

 

Fellas, u can see it coming, well reasoned arguments in favor of a player simply do not make up for the painful memories of being crap, fandom does not work that way, never has, to be blunt Henne is not trusted by the fans who do not engage in debates on message boards.

 

Haha very true padre. But by the same token, I was looking at tweets from the fans and one of them think #8 is Ronnie Brown... I can only assume there are more people there like that.

 

They only know what they are seeing ya know?

 

And now Florio is blowing it up.......

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/01/dolphins-fans-chant-we-want-orton-at-training-camp/

Play that harp Mr. Ross, cause Rome is a burnin.

 

Come on now, I can think of reasons to be down on Henne, and to want Orton, but PFT and some fans at a scrimmage is not one of them, give him at least the preseason to see if he can command the offense.

 

It has all the feel and look of another season of the same old same. This fanbase will become a lynch mob very quickly as their patience and trust has been taken for granted. I want nothing more than Henne to get it together but he won't have the chance to ease into it. Its do or die time.

 

We're likely not getting Orton, and Henne is likely our starter............ yet we're booing and razzing (chanting "we want Orton") the guy our season could hinge on? That's ridiculous.

I'm ashamed as a Dolphin fan to know our fan base is this harsh and immature.

You might not like Henne, but if you're a true Dolphin fan, you should be supportive of the player running the offense. F'n idiots.

 

I don't disagree with you GM.
In my posts you'll notice I mention that I fully believe that they intend to eventually bring another back in.
Just waiting for the market to adjust with a glutton of RB's out there.

My stance was forced in response to those taking the stance that we haven't brought anyone else in by plan because were clearly set.
I might add that some of those very people stating that were in favor of our having 2 top RB's in Ronnie and Ricky back in the day and were against trading or releasing either one of them. They used reasoning that the NFL today you need 2 talented backs. Those same people are now stating that were set with a rookie and a 3rd down back that can't stay healthy. No consistency around here sometimes.

 

Correct. Everyone should be his biggest fan right now.

 

sort of true, however the way to erase bad memories is to create better, new ones, Henne still has that opportunity.

And the all time record for abused Qb's by a fanbase goes to Terry Bradshaw, and it worked out okay.

 

That's just b/c you don't like Lex............... and b/c you're a dumdum.

 

Fandom is based on emotion, not reason TP, think about it.

TBH the best thing that could happen is if JT goes on a praise agenda in the media and hugs Henne publicly.

 

Exactly. How hard is that to understand if we want the best chance of winning games with the personnel we have?

If he's our starter, ripping the guy to shreds certainly isn't doing us any favors in any regard.

 

Its ok...I want the idiots to boo, cause if he happens to overcome, we know what we have...If he doesn't, we know what we have..

I think 3 types of folks should check themselves..

1} Dolphin franchise exec's...They better start to understand what type of market their dealing with, and what type of stadium their putting their athletes in, and either address it, or re-educate the whole damn thing.

2} Football analysts on this message board might wanna check themselves before having such negative conviction about a team that hasn't played a game, player evaluation imo is different than projecting team performance, can one accurately project how certain players are going to perform individually at this point without knowing the inner dynamics of wtf is going on inside nor seeing them in real game situations, I mean I understand if you think a player sucks before they wear the uniform and sticking with that projection, but the team performance, I think you have to see them play ya know...I believe what has happened to the majority is, they have let their past frustrations with prior regimes bleed into their patience for the current one...That's not fair..good analysis, accurate analysts, will not allow that to happen..

3} Our fans need to check themselves, and realize that they might be part of the problem, and we {here} need to check ourselves and make sure were doing everything possible to become a solid fanbase, who knows how to support and criticize our team, at the proper times.

 

well, if my emotion is geared toward experiencing a winning season, then I might wanna refrain from lambasting the guy playing the most important position on the team. Just sayin.

 

I'm not that huge on Orton but hes a better qb than Henne honestly you rarely if ever see qb's fix the problems Henne has he locks onto his target to throw to he has happy feet and his accuracy isn't the best so he struggles throwing screen passes most the time. Which is what I mostly blame for hurting our running backs last year our lack of screen game.

 

I blame our running backs' utter lack of speed & explosiveness, a case of the dropsies, and Ronnie's pedestrian vision.
There was a knock on a QB a while back about him not succeeding in the NFL b/c of his so called happy feet. Hasn't affected his success with the Colts.

I didn't see him locking onto targets any more than any of the other young QBs do TBH. (and when you sometimes have only 2 players going out on routes, that doesn't leave many targets to look at).

The ONLY thing Orton has going for him over Henne is....... he's had a chance to develop and has more experience. Orton's 3rd year in the NFL couldn't tie Henne year 3's shoelaces. Personally, I dont want to sacrifice greater upside for an immediate reward that we'll look to be replace the first chance we get like Chicago & Denver did.