That's just it. Most of the whiniest *****iest fans are the ones that don't know ****, or not as much as they think they do. Loudest one in the room is the weakest one.
They sure did. There's motivating, and then there's just dumping on a guy without ever really giving him a chance to prove himself. He got booed the last game of the season, and then it takes three or four practices after an extended lockout before fans are booing him again? He doesn't even get a week? He doesn't even get a preseason game or two? That tells me that this is less about him and more about the regime. And, if that's the case, why boo him at practice? Why not show up to Dolphins HQ and boo Ireland when he's in his office? If you have a problem with them not replacing Henne, there are better ways of airing those grievances at this point in time. We don't need that type of **** going on while this team is trying to ready itself to play in a short timeframe. Hell, if I was Sparano, I'd close practices to the public if that keeps up.
I think part of being a fan is not having the propensity to boo the team you "support". You can be disappointed. You can express anger and frustration. But you boo the ****ing Jets, not the home team. EDIT: Booing means you think they suck. But when they're good, all of a sudden, "we're" good. To hell with that. Either we suck or we're good, or they suck or they're good.
I can't recall the last time I got upset with a Dolphins player enough to want to boo him. Everyone handles things differently though. Most of my negative venting, goes toward the zebras and there have been a few where I'd have torn off their head and sh!t down their neck, given the chance. The rest of any negative expression from me would go toward opposing players. But, when they put on the aqua and orange, then those are my boys and I love them all.
Sorry Chris, but that's a poor excuse for allowing this crap to endure. I don't care who the player is----- you don't harass guys who are pivotal to your team's success, especially considering a game has yet to be played. These idiots act like we missed out on Peyton Manning.
I found this Carter comment rather humorous: The dude looks like he is about 15. Probably 25 or so though The last time the stadium was called Joe Robbie Stadium he was at best still sh!tting in his diapers.
Exactly. If Jet fans treated Dolphin players the way Miami fans at practice are treating Henne, these same Henne bashers would be going ape ****.
Just thank God you are not on Finheaven right now. The worst smack on this website reads like a conversation between Gandhi and Mother Teresa compared to the standard level of discourse over there. I just started checking this website about a month ago, and I am glad I did. Seriously, if you guys were smart, somebody would make this website invisible or inaccessible before any more rabble make their way over here.
I have a hard time booing players as well. Unless I genuinely just think they're a bad person and not putting in the effort and that is why their performance is lacking, it just comes off as cruel to me. What you're really disapproving of is management having that player or players out there most of the time. In that respect, I can understand booing towards the end of the season. But this beginning of the season stuff just completely rubs me the wrong way. Amusingly enough, Arsenal just got booed at the end of one of its preseason games.
Yup, and these are the drones who buy every spoonful of **** that biased, moronic reporters & writers try to feed them.
Even Ben Volin found the booing to be a bit over the top, and he's been pretty steadfast in his Henne-bashing. But it would be nice if this perhaps caused a moment of introspection. Many of these guys have been subtly and not so subtly suggesting that anything less than replacing Henne as the starter would be tantamount to conceding the season. And now they take the high road and wonder how fans can be so ridiculous this early on in practice. Ummmm . . .
Yet they won't buy a ticket to a game and surely wouldn't make some positive noise for their team if they did.
Oh I've seen that mess of a website. This is def a step up from the zoo, but it's still not impervious to bull****. Hilarious name/avatar btw.
well this topic certainly got people going, huh? My two cents, **** the fans who did that. No good can come of such actions.
hypocrites. Love all their similar talk about the Jets season going to **** if they don't replace Sanchez. <sarcasm> Like you alluded----> hypocrites. lol.
Maybe its just me, but if I were the one deciding on how to run practice, and had the same situation going on as Miami does with Henne, I'd have taken extra time to ENSURE that today's practice went well for Chad Henne. I think it's important for the fans to be backing him. I think it's important to put him in situations where he will in fact be sucessful. It's really disappointing to hear how poorly he did today. Either the coaches didn't have him ready, or they didn't take the extra time to ensure he'd look good, or they did prepare him and did think it through and he's that bad. Either way it's not a very good start to the season. Our team's poor offensive preparation has been a problem since Sparano got here.
Is it possible that our defense that's been together for a year under the same coach is giving fits to a newly coached offense with some new personnel during it's first few practices together?
if this goes on, sparano has to close the practices to the public, this is a top 5 Defense from last year they go against, same players, same scheme, one year to get comfortable in it, i truly would expect that the D will have the upper hand in these practices most of the time
Agreed. And It's ridiculous IMO for anyone here to be able to justify booing a guy, and cheering for his replacement 4 days into camp. You can't defend that mentality and attitude IMO. It's ridiculous, and like I said earlier in this thread, its a great reflection of why this franchise has become a bit of an embarrassment lately. It's not just the way its run, but sadly, its a majority of it's fans as well. Hell, I'll even go as far to say that if anyone from here, was there and taking part in this crap last night, please let me know as I need to add you to my ignore list, because your opinion isn't one I value based upon these actions. Sparano and company should indeed close off practices if this crap continues. It's supposed to be a fun time, players are accessible for autographs and stuff, there's no cost, its just supposed to be a fun time, watching your team get ready. IT'S PRACTICE!!!!!!
Orton is also in the same offense he was in last year with mostly the same personnel. Look Henne is make or break this year but it has to be the whole body of work. He cant be judged pass by pass, especially early in camp w/ a new offense. If Tom Brady was criticized and was benched for a bad game, if was yelled at constantly he would be looking over his shoulder. His confidence would shake. I understand that is not reality, but my point is Henne has no shot at advancing if he has a bunch of chains around him.
The boo birds would sure get a piece of my mind if I were there. Though I'm not sure I could spare it.
Dan Marino sure has cast one massive shadow over the QB position on this team. So much so that everyone expects each QB we get to be the second coming of him. Support whoever is the starting QB, show him no matter who he is that the fans got his back. Not everyone can be Marino.
No one is asking Henne to be Marino. We're asking him to at least be Kyle Orton. Thus far, he has proven incapable of meeting even that modest standard
They can chant if they want to, or they can leave their friends behind. 'Cause if they're friends don't chant and if they don't chant, well their, no friends of mine...Seriously though, chanting at the first scrimmage? Well it's safety chant!
For the same reason I never boo the team for poor play, or conversely sit mindlessly idle while others elect to, I can't in all fairness expect them to refrain from it, or judge them any less, for feeling so inclined. As fans we are all invested to some extent on a personal level, and respond to what we see differently. Applying different measures of patience, to different aptitudes of tolerance, and perhaps most notably, with differing limits of acceptance, ultimately results in a vast disparity of expression.
Not to excuse our fans for pulling this one, but maybe Henne will console himself with the piles of cash sitting at home. Wish I got paid that much to throw it 5 yards and then to the other team.
First off, why do people still insist on using language like "before even giving him a chance"? How is that rational? The man's been here 3 years. He's had over a 1000 pass reps. His last 5 games were worse than his first 5 games. Second, I don't understand this unconditional love that people expect the fans to have for their team. How is THAT rational? Fans voicing their displeasure, and further proving it at the stadium by booing and/or by not showing up, is the ONE mechanism available to them to keep a fire under the *** of a lackadaisical franchise that thinks 7-9 is OK because hey at least it's not 1-15. What in the hell is wrong with fan-based pressure to do better? Every athlete should feel it, every coach should feel it, every owner should feel it, and every scout should feel it. They go out there at a night practice and the team is bumping around unimpressively after two years of directionless vomit, and the crowd starts booing, they should feel the shame and that should motivate them to do better. That is what SHOULD happen. Otherwise, you get a team that doesn't really care. They'll say they care, and they'll even believe they care, but as long as the fans continue this unconditional love and support, they won't REALLY care.
Look....Ive supported Henne as much or more then most here. But...his play last year didnt exactly give fans something to cheer for. My problem with Chad is sometimes...he looks indifferent about things. On one hand..its great because he never looks rattled, but on the other hand...it doesnt look like he really has a command of everyone out there. Most fans dont really get into the "nuances" of the game...like we do here. They see big numbers from Kyle Orton and want to see the same here in Miami. Doing what they did is not something I would do....nor would I want my kids to behave like that....but it doesnt suprise me. I dont care one iota if Chad got his feelings hurt. Not one. Grow some balls....take the bull by the horns...and show people that Kyle Orton is not the leader of this team...Chad Henne is. If Chad lets stuff like this set him back....maybe Chad's not cut out for the NFL.
It's like saying we shouldn't hold protests and rallies and whatnot to voice our displeasure about what is happening in Washington, because that's too cruel and we should make sure the politicians all know how much we support and believe in them until election day when we make the decision whether to oust them or not. Give me a break. These guys make millions off the strength of the fans' voices. They can feel a little shame and embarrassment from those voices too. They won't die.
It should piss his *** off and make him work harder. You dont want to hear the boo's.....prove to all of us your the franchise QB you say you want to be...and that some of us think you can be. Otherwise....boo freakin hoo. He better not let his team mates believe the fans are gettin to him....because they'll never accept him as their leader.
And also think about it this way. This is really the FIRST chance that fans have had to voice their displeasure over the moves made (or not made) this off season. Everyone talking about "it's only the 4th practice" is barking up the wrong tree. This commentary was about the off season, it's about the moves they made, the ones they didn't. It's about the Harbaugh/Ross fiasco. It's about the Draft. It's about the Kyle Orton fall-through, everything. But I guess fans should have no voice. They should just shut up and let the adults do their business without having any say. Walking wallets. When did sports fandom become an obligation, a tax?
Absolutely! Yes, it should motivate him. It should motivate all of them. They should feed off it and go out there and perform. This team was what, 1-7 at home last year? And they wonder why the fans are booing???
This was kinda my point CK. Which is why I think chants of "Ireland sucks" or chants directed at the FO/Coaches/Ownership would be more productive than just directing it all at the QB...
That's a straw man, and you know it. Nobody in here has suggested that. What we've suggested is that the third or fourth practice after an extended offseason is not the proper venue for that. These guys are trying to get ready for the season. There are plenty of other ways in which fans can have a voice. Stop acting like what is being said is that booing is always inappropriate. MrC and I only suggested that, for us, we sorta feel that way. But I made sure to say that I can understand it at games.
Its one in the same. The biggest weakness wasn't addressed. The fans are making their feelings felt. This is just as bad for the FO and ownership as it is for Henne.
Exactly CK. The organization encouraged this fan revolt by dangling two potential upgrades in front of their faces (Harbaugh and Orton) and then failing to land either. You can't return to the status quo after very publically trying to upgrade and not expect widespread dissatisfaction in your fan base because you told them to be dissatisfied. This season is shaping up for either an incredible run to the playoffs or an abject disaster. the whole potential swap of Carey for Colombo, the "competition" at QB, bringing JT back for basically PR reasons (I like JT, but come on). If this team starts out 0-2 at hom, which is higly possible given that we're playing NE and Houston, this thing could come off the train tracks Super 8 style
Who says people shouldnt voice displeasure? Who says blindly support? It is about expectations and the irrational level set at this point. You can give me all this rah rah should blah blah blah. It is about a bunch of fans that believe they are smarter than the people running the team and henne didnt look like a superstar and a bunch of people running around saying "see you should have listened to me, I know what it takes and I can fix this team". This was practice 4 in a new system with no OTAs or minis. Yes you want to see more, and from what I read I do to. But who says we wont? Who says they arent working on say blitz reads and quick passes? It is about fans jumping on anything that validates their set opinion to prove they are right, period. Yes Henne has been here 3 years, but he hasnt played a game yet. saying you have watched 1 or 2 out 4 practices in a new system and now you know Henne wont be it, is because you have made up your mind and any bad throw validates you. Henne shouldnt be rattled, cant let it enter his thoughts at all. This to me isnt about him, it is about the fans. If henne sucks in games, then that is something else. But to say well he has been here for 3 years so 4 practices this year is enough for him to look fluid and have the new offense down is stupid. The boos are natural and VT said it best, it should motivate him, it shouldnt make him falter, if it does, I agree he isnt the answer. It is more teh chants we want Orton, it shows fans were looking for Henne to fail, they came looking to bash, was predetermined
You keep harping on 4 practices, it's not about 4 practices. It's about the last two years. By all accounts Henne has looked exactly the same so far in this training camp as he has in his last two training camps. New system or not, he seems like the exact same player thus far. The same player we watched the last two years is not going to get it done. I don't care what the "system" is.
