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STATE OF THE DOLPHINS / Grade

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Abbi Normal, Aug 2, 2011.

  1. Abbi Normal

    Abbi Normal Banned

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    Defense : throw in a legitimate starting S. and I couldn't ask for more...Burnett/crowder, smart move, but Mind boggling that they can build this defense and be so clueless with the offense


    Offense : one of the worst (Dolphin) 4th year of development I think that I can remember......

    No QB

    RB Come on folks Ronnie is going to prove miles ahead of Thomas, true just an unsubstantial guess at this point but with as much validity as those who think he's 40% of our offense.....

    OL : Your guess is as good as mine, first the friggin staff can't even figure out what they want...

    Bush : refreshing spark of excitement which, if true, is going to try to carry an even load, based on history should be a short thrill. But actually have to give some credit that Jeff "Dallas" Ireland actually signed a offensive player of quality who can touch the football and actually put it in the endzone. But he's not going to be near enough..

    WR corp. : generally speaking Bess and Marshall give us two fine players Hartline adequate but IMO adequate doesn't cut it (upgrade).
    TE again adequate and in my book their are, or soon to be were, good players to upgrade (another blown opportunity).....WR RB TE

    K : Carpenters pretty good hope this offense can get him close enough for some 40 yd FG's.

    Folks Been a fan since the inception and never seen such irresponsible clueless moves or should I say non-moves since Wannstedt and his taking 3 years to figure out he might need to add a descent O lineman...But as much as I don't like Wanny I'd still rather have him on game day that Sparano, at least he knows what a 2 min drill is....and that even shocks me to say.....

    My thoughts are not from 4 days into the season and not giving them even a shot but rather going on 4 years of observations and seeing similiar patterns of failure continue with these guys not learning from past mistakes.

    Relying on another clueless owner Mr Ross (worst in Dolphin history IMO) is a scarry idea and hope that maybe he bumps his head and a little spark of wisdom comes in and he gets rid of our present "Clowns" and brings in an experience ligitmate NFL head coach who hopefully will find a GM with a few more clues between his ears..............


    ST : probably better(in the 4th year), not that thats saying much. With this offense they built or should I say tore down ST are going to have to put it in FG range for our Offense to put points on the board...

    Over all grade D- (and it's only that high because we have a A- defense) .....



    I know it's a negative sour "painful " view and I hope I'm soooo wrong but thats what I see...

    And the Booing of Henne (not acceptable) but maybe it is showing the Fans disapproval of the present state of our once powerful exciting and proud franchise.........


    Note: this post is just to go on record at this point and state your view and not a debate there is enough of that everywhere else
     
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  2. Alex13

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    it should be 3 years of observation than, because the 4th hasnt even started yet
     
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  3. rafael

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    I agree with what you said about the defense. I believe they had some opportunities to address the FS spot and missed them (Earl Thomas and Huff).

    I disagree with you on QB and RB. I think they have as good of a QB as they would have if they had gotten one in FA or the draft this year. I also expect that Thomas will be an upgrade over Brown at this point. I watched this kid at KS and he is very similar to Brown but hits the hole faster. I don't think he's the overall athlete Brown was, but that's mostly related to speed. I never thought Brown's 40 speed translated to the field, he always seemed to get caught from behind despite the alleged 4.4 speed. I think Thomas is just about as fast as Brown was on the field, but more of a one cut runner.

    I like our 4 WRs. I think that you don't get a huge benefit from spending big on #2 WRs. I think that a #1 WR is vital, but you get diminished returns after that. I might be tempted to bring in a Steve Smith and hope he heals up fully for next year if he's relatively cheap, but otherwise I don't see bringing in another WR as a need.

    TE is a position that I feel this regime is behind the times on. I like Fasano and I like having a balanced guy, but you need somebody to threaten the seam. I feel that David Martin was part of the reason our offense clicked so much better that year. He wasn't a great TE, but he let our offense attack a different area of the field. He was a complementary talent. You can get by with with guys who are just okay if they fit well together. Maybe they are that high on Clay. I like Clay, but I think they're putting all their eggs in one basket.
     
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  4. Abbi Normal

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    Note

    Post your own grade and opinion it's not to agree or disagree with others rather just see overall feelings of Fans
     
  5. Abbi Normal

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    3 years and Are we not into the 4th of FA ?

    If not I stand corrected.........So do you have an opinion ?
     
  6. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    Miami Dolphins: The Community College of the NFL
     
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  7. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    As a huge Ronnie Brown fan it pays me to say this.

    Not last years Ronnie Brown.
     
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  8. miamiron

    miamiron There's always next year

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    We better pray we can get Carpenter within 39 yards or less
    as he was 15 for 15 in field goals

    40 yards or more 15 for 26...not so good
     
  9. brandon27

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    I don't understand how many more threads you need to try and make the same point. You aren't happy with the moves Ireland, Sparano and Ross have made and you like to call them childish little names. Wonderful. It's awesome. Thank you.

    You're right though, our D is in great shape. But, if you want to mock and breakdown all the moves on offense, lets talk about the good here as well. What nicknames and such do you have for all the great moves Ireland has done here? Sparano too, He's got Mike Nolan here working with him on his Defense. I'd say that's some pretty good moves.

    Offensively, QB is serviceable. I think if we've gone to the right system, and give Henne enough support, we'll be fine. Not incredible, but fine.

    RB, the addition of Bush is much needed I think. We're going to rely alot on a rookie in Thomas, but I can understand why not to bring back Ronnie or Ricky when you have Thomas and Bush. Obviously they have faith in Hilliard being the 3rd RB.

    WR, Marshall coming here is a great move by Ireland, Bess as a UDFA, another Great move by Ireland, Hartline, a pick that basically EVERYONE trashed, has turned out good as well. Continue to mock the GM though...

    OL, the constant turnover here, is indeed troubling. I'll give you that one.

    All in all, you can hate Ireland and Ross as much as you want, but you know what, Ross is pretty much irrelevant in all of this, and Ireland has done a damn good job so far in my opinion in rebuilding this team from the pathetic excuse it was for a team when they got here. So carry on your name calling, and rants in numerous threads about how you observe this team as being mediocre and run by clueless clowns, but at the end of the day, they've built a great foundation. Sure there's pieces missing, but you cant get the right guy 100% of the time, and you wont get every single guy you want to fill a need. It is what it is. So carry on with your "the sky is falling" rants, but maybe its just you, maybe you need to make some better observations. A D - grade on this team is just ridiculous.

    For the record, I'd say defensively, we grade out as an A- on paper at this point, offensively, B-, or C+ at the least, QB is a concern, no doubt, not just at started, but also for depth so that drags the grade there down a bit, but if Henne can play within this new system, and this team can get rolling in it, then it should be alright.
     
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  10. Ohio Fanatic

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    Oh good, another cynical rant reworded and reshuffled, but I'll play along. Overall, I give the regime a B for this offseason. A promising draft (obviously all potential, but we have 2 keepers IMO with Pouncey and Thomas), upgrade on defense by resigning our Dline and replacing Crowder + our young secondary with another year of development. Ronnie was awful to watch last season, he's just useless on a smash-mouth offense. let him go to St Louis and catch passes, I wish him well there.
     
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  11. mbmonk

    mbmonk I have no clue

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    Oline as it currently stands is going to return at least 3 starters ( Long, Incognito, Carey ) and possibly a 4th with (Jerry) so I am not sure why someone would say this staff how no clue or plan for the Oline.

    RB we need 1 more player (possibly Ricky) in case something happens to Bush early. Ronnie is just solid. He wasn't amazing. I am not against bringing him back, but I think the team could be just fine W/O him.

    TE - We are okay here. The only move I could think of is to cut Fasano and sign Miller, but keeping both would make little sense due to the fact that we have to get Bess on the field and that requires us to put at least 3 WR's on the field. Also they did attempt to address the position in the draft.

    QB - No significant upgrade available at a reasonable price, and drafting a QB that wasn't going to help us this year made zero sense for this staff.

    Our offensive success boils down to Oline play, scheme/play calling, and Henne making the proper reads and accurate throws. We have the talent at the WR position and I think the RB position is going to be just fine with Thomas once he gets caught up on all the responsibilities that a RB has in pass protection.

    I think it's going to be ugly early on the offensive side of the ball, but we just have to hope things start to gel as we progress.

    Given the position that regime is in ( aka last legs) Grade... B-
     
  12. Abbi Normal

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    Excellent post

    If we could have just left out the personal put downs, it makes interesting reading and expressing a different view point to seeing were we all stand...
     
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  13. GMJohnson

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    Two possibilities:

    1. Most of the people calling Ireland clueless are correct.
    2. Most of the people calling Ireland clueless are clueless themselves.

    I'll grade Ireland out as a solid B up to this point. What's he's done on defense has been masterful, offensively though, it's been more of a struggle. Still, we have one of the most talent groups of young players in the entire league and we're in a position to have a good team for a long time.
     
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  14. Abbi Normal

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    You guys a funny.

    " not another *+%#$^&*^%$!? post restating the same stuff over and over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    But since you asked.......


    i luv ya guys..................as screwed up as we all are, Dolphins fans are the best
     
  15. mbmonk

    mbmonk I have no clue

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    Cameron Wake from the Canadian F-ing Football League... THAT WAS A GEM on the FO's part.
     
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  16. mbmonk

    mbmonk I have no clue

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    .. but you include put downs of the FO instead of just stating your opinion. I think I could make the same claim you just made about your original post.
     
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  17. Abbi Normal

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    Thats what the thread is about......not what I think of your or you think of my view,, just your own point of view toward the Dolphins players and organization and the direction they are headed...........
     
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  18. brandon27

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    Nice Try, I directed ZERO insults at you. :up:
     
  19. finsbuck719

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    QB- Henne, Moore, Brandstater/Devlin is a solid rotation for now. Henne now has weapons, a new OC/system, and a new QBs coach. I'm positive he can be successful this year. If not, we let him walk and look towards the draft or FA next year.

    RB- Thomas, Bush, Hilliard, Grigsby/Sheets is solid as well. I think we have a very good player in Thomas for years to come. Bush is basically a flex spot. We can line him up at WR or in the backfield. He gives us so many new looks and options. Hilliard is a solid STer and Grigsby/Sheets will provide more speed for the offense and more STs help.

    WR- Marshall is a stud. Bess is a stud. Hartline is very solid (hoping he can play a full year). Gates adds more speed and finally we have a legit deep threat if he pans out. idk who will be the 5th WR. All I know is it's better than having both Moore/Wallace like last year.

    TE- Fasano, Clay??, Shuler. Solid as well. I like Clay's potential and he's kinda like a flex player as well. Should give us more options and look on offense.

    OT- I love Long and Carey. Hopefully they can stay healthy all year and not have a down year like last season. Murtha/Columbo should be solid backups.

    OG- I like Incognito. I like Jerry, but he needs to improve. Feinga isn't an awful rotational player. I still think we need to add another piece here if Pouncey is going to play center.

    C- Pouncey, Berger. If Pouncey pans out, that will be great.

    Defense: A
    Offense: B+
     
  20. dolfan32323

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    I am not confident in this team, in all honestly.

    I don't think Sparano has what it takes to be a great, or even good, coach in this league. He hasn't shown the ability to manage a game properly, doesn't seem to have that killer instinct in him, seems as if we play for FGs and not to win the game, and needs to buy a new watch or something cause his time management is miserable. To me, the biggest problem lies with him and now we have an OC from Cleveland? I'll reserve judgement of Daboll until the season starts but he does he honestly excite anybody? The good news is, it is almost going to be impossible to downgrade from Henning.

    On the offensive side of things, I am happy we did not trade away a high pick for Orton (honestly, I think we will have a top draft pick this year), and I believe Henne deserves a year not under Henning. Here is to hoping Henne really turns it around and becomes out future QB, but I don't see it happening. The guy seems to telegraph his passes and just hasn't shown me that he will be able to take the leap and become just a solid, reliable QB (not looking for a Brady, but it would be nice).

    With the RB stables, I think Daniel Thomas will be a fine RB and I like how Reggie Bush brings some versatility to the table, but I think we need one more back to complement Thomas who can take a large number of carries. I don't think Bush is that guy, personally. Would have been nice to get Bradshaw, considering how cheap a contract he signed with NYG.

    TE- wow, I can't believe we didn't make a push for Zach Miller. This is an opportunity to add an all-pro TE and we miss out on it. I like Fasano and have high hopes for Clay, but having a TE who can stretch the field really would help Henne out a lot. Don't we want to put the pieces in for him to succeed? Apparently not.

    WR- Marshall is fantastic, Bess is great, Hartline is good. Gates- well, we will see what he brings. Hopefully he can contribute early on. I would have like to have seen us go for an upgrade over Hartline, personally, to line up opposite BMarsh and leave Davone in the slot. Overall, our corps don't suck, but we could have upgraded (a Zach Miller would have helped out here as well).

    OL- hopefully it just doesn't shuffle around a lot... all I can hope for is a solid consistent line, but knowing Fist Pumper this probably won't be the case.

    On the defensive end of the ball- I am very happy. I think we upgraded at MLB and have an amazingly deep DL. I hope the safeties play consistently well and that VD and SS continue to progress. Bringing JT back is nice for nostalgic reasons, but I think we could have done better in getting a situational pass rusher as well (not the end of the world). Defense is what will keep this team from being utterly abysmal (and possibly prevent us from getting the star QB we will most likely be looking for in the upcoming draft).

    Overall, I'd give the Defense a solid A, the offense a D+, and the coaching staff a big question mark. Who knows what Daboll and Sparano will do this year, I will let the play do the talking and determine my grade. The offense has pieces, sure, but it is missing the glue to hold it together. Uncertainty at QB (heck, I'd be happy if we got Dennis Dixon even), RB, and the skill positions leaves a lot to be determined.
     
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  21. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    Theres a place at the top of threads called soap box please put rants there.
     
  22. DolfanJake

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    I think all the personal attacks from the rah-rah crowd show the nervousness they have. They attack because they know, deep in their hearts we are probably right : 2011 Dolphins will probably win no more than 5 games.

    My analysis : Offense D+ (Bush gives them the +) but bringing in an OC that was statistically worse than Henning is just insane, and also the constant musical chairs on the OL. Also concerns about Long and his ability to play healthy this year - if he is out or not 100% this offense will suffer greatly. Also the locker room, who is the offensive leader ? Our QB ? The one with the most retiring demeanor I have seen since David Woodley. Even Jay Fiedler was "Party Boy" next to Henne. Do those guys really believe in Henne ? They may say the company line, when in front of the public & press, but behind closed doors, do they really respect & believe in Henne ? Not what I saw, especially the last time they played - they quit on him. A lot of this years success will lay at the feet and with the arm of Henne. We will know by our bye week, which direction this season will go. If we are 2-2 or 3-1 we might be better than I thought. But I fully expect us to be either 0-4 or 1-3. Grade on the D - A-. Not much to say except get those boys some sticky glue and maybe the offense will have some very short drives that give us more of a chance.
     
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  23. Southbeach

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    I believe yo are asking for a grade for the overall team, as it now stands, and not the this off season or the FO.

    I have to give the D an A. They were #6 last year, and just having another year to develop under Nolan should in itself make them better. Then, add in last season's rookie starter in Odrick, Edds, a bit of on upgrade in Burnett, catching Ints, W Allen, and JT, who is better than Moses. I also expect Allen and JT to be important as vet leaders who can teach and improve our younger guys.

    I give or O a C, with a wait and see. The OL, in spite of what some think, has graded out pretty well, especially in pass protection. I blame R & R more than the OL for last year's lack of a running game. I like our WRs as is, and adding anyone will likely take away from Gates, which I do not want to do. Fasano is a VG all around TE. Clay "may" help in adding speed but, I do not like the young guys we have. Some kind of addition, even in blocking, would be a big help. At RB, Thomas is an unproven rookie I like, and Bush has some very big injury concerns. Still, I find it hard to believe that they could do any worse than R&R from last year. They actually could be MUCH better. Adding Ronnie, or another, would make me more comfortable.

    Henne is the question, and perhaps the answer. This is the wait and see on the C grade. No one knows what will happen here, in spite of the "expertise" of many "analysts." The door on an Orton trade is closed, but not locked. We have put ourselves in position to add Moore (who Denver likes), and a DE (who Denver needs) in a package depending on Henne in pre-season.

    Our kickers get an A. Fields was great, and Carp, in spite of a few misses, is still one of the best. Overall STs is a C and another wait and see. IF Bush and/or Gates give us a spark on returns, and IF some of the new guys are "headhunters," this grade goes up.

    Overall, I give the team a B-, mostly due to my expectation of a dominating D, and a "fresh start with Daboll n O.
     
  24. Abbi Normal

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    Actually Jake, In this particular thread I'm pleasantly surprised that there has only been a minimal amount of attack's mostly directed at me, which is fine actually some are funny. One guy I'm forcing to read the posts.....lol

    People are being respectful and understanding that it's just expressing their own view and not a debate, thats one of the things that makes it a little different and interesting......One place to get an overall read from Fans.......to bad a few can't handle it but hey they are still always welcome in my book
     
  25. Southbeach

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    I do not see this thread as a rant, and the poster has made it clear that he is only looking for opinions of where our team now stand. I really like the thread, and look forward to more overall opinions of how others view the current status of "our team."
     
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    I have to agree (BIG Surprise) on your questioning Henne's leadership. IMO, he did not show much of any last year. I believe that may have changed in the player only workouts but, that is yet to be proven.

    No one, even you :), can dispute that the guy has NFL talent, and a NFL arm. That is not good enough to be "The Answer" to bring a team to being a legit contender. It only will get you as far as being average, or a bit above. kinda like an Orton.
     
  27. Ohio Fanatic

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    Really? While not every line is negative (so I'll give Abbi some credit there) these statements below sure seem rantish to me.
    Just because he qualifies at the end that he's looking for opinions doesn't mean the majority of the post wasn't a rant.


     
  28. Southbeach

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    I've known the poster for years, and he has been a Phan for longer, or as long, as anyone as he started when the team did. IMO, he gave his opinion, and asked for others. I don't agree with everything he posted but, think he has earned the right to do so.

    With Ross, I believe he is being kind. If I gave my true opinion of him, it would not be acceptable for even the rants.
     
  29. DolfanJake

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    I agree with you (another BIG surprise) :). Henne has almost all the intangibles to be an adequate not elite QB, just the kind of QB that this regime can embrace. One major problem I have seen is accuracy downfield, but perhaps with the right coaching and practice that can be improved. So far that hasn't been addressed by this regime, because frankly they don't really believe in the "Chunk" yardage offense. So downfield passes are nearly missing from their offense (or so it seems). But I believe Henne's biggest problem is his leadership. Maybe he did work on that this offseason, and if he did, that could give us some hope. We'll see, but what a tough assignment to start off with New England, but hopefully I believe history shows that if Brady & Co. are vunerable, its the 1st game of the year. Any one have what Tom Brady's 1st game of the year win/loss record is ?
     
  30. Abbi Normal

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    Used to being slammed as u know we've been around the block our fair share and been there ourselves (over 10 yrs ?). They will learn if they are lucky not to take this stuff to seriously but sometimes that takes a little time and our Dolphins do push the buttons on the top side of the emotion panel.....Don't know how long people are going to hold out until we start seeing more debates on peoples view, which was something I was hoping to stay away from in this thread.........

    Me I'm an ole vet and find it amusing and sometimes sad when feathers are aroused so easily...

    It's OK I don't mind, nice to see that most appreciate the chance to express and see others views without the bantering back and forth.....
    And some people are so afraid of mistakes............
     
  31. Southbeach

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    Be careful here "Jovial Jake." this post "almost" sounds positive. :)

    Seriously, me on the positive, and you on the negative, have no idea of what Henne will, or will not do, this year. This is a tell tale year for him, as well as everyone else. We shall see how it unfolds when we actually play the game.
     
  32. Ohio Fanatic

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    Honestly, no offense to you or Abbi, but I don't really care how long you've been Phin fans. Many of us have been fans for quite a long time.
    And this isn't directed at Abbi or you, just in general. One of my favorite parts about being an avid football fan is the optimism that builds up at the beginning of each season, whether it's because you are a bonafide contender with superbowl aspirations (obviously this doesn't apply) or just optimism that your team is going to make a significant improvement to at least make a run at the division title. The constant bashing of the regime (which does have some justification) and the constant bashing of our QB, over and over and over and over and over....just gets really old. As frustrated as I am with this regime, it's not half the frustration I get after pouring through the threads on this forum sometimes. I yearn for the olden days too, but I just wish people would realize that we are NOT an elite franchise, we are not even a winning franchise and haven't been for quite a while. We were a complete laughingstock of a franchise just a few years ago. Because we don't have the elite QB, and because we suffered from some of BP's personnel decisions, we are now building up our talent gradually. We were 7-9 last season, but it's hard to argue the fact that we have a lot more talent than we did 3 years ago. Besides the lack of a great QB, our greatest weakness right now is coaching. Will replacing Henning with Daboll help? that's my biggest worry, not that Chad Henne had a bad practice on day 4 of TC or that Sparano is still shuffling the line.
     
  33. Southbeach

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    I used to enjoy being slammed, as it meant I could SLAM back, and have a whole lotta fun in doing so. I no longer feel that way, although I do digress every so often. :)

    I have enjoyed this thread, and hope to see more opinions on what you were asking for.
     
  34. Southbeach

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    I agree OF. BUT, I am not as negative as you. I believe that we will be a playoff team.
     
  35. GMJohnson

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    What happened, chicken? :tongue2:
     
  36. Southbeach

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    Yeah, that was it.
     
  37. Ohio Fanatic

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    You missed my point. I am not negative and my posts show that. I actually agree with you that we can be a playoff team
     
  38. Southbeach

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    :knucks:
     
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  39. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    a potential "B"
    the game is played on the field
    you just never really know how things come together
    could be a "-A"
     

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