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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Butters, Aug 1, 2011.

  1. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    I've heard it suggested that a 3rd round pick and a $9 million 2012 salary is all that stands in the way of Miami getting Orton or not.

    If that's the case, why not? They at least have a shot if they do it. Not a good shot, but a shot. If they don't, they don't have a prayer. Because of the bonus money the Broncos were already forced to pay, Orton's cap figure in 2011 would be $7.5 million. His $9 million figure in 2012 could be seen as subject to further negotiation. If he's not worth it, you cut him. If he is, you keep him. If you want to keep him cheaper, you talk to him about that. He likely would only agree if you don't draft anyone though. If you draft someone, he's probably keeping that $9 million salary.

    I tell you one thing though. Once upon a time 3 years ago, they let the locker room marinate for 3 weeks with Josh McCown, John Beck and Chad Henne mucking up the quarterback position. There were no clear winners, only losers, and the locker room was pretty deflated. They were ripe for Chad Pennington to come right in and take the bull by the horns. The locker room lit up like a christmas tree when presented with his confidence, his leadership, and his ability to execute in practice.

    Can't help but wonder if somewhere in the back of their minds, the Dolphins aren't thinking the same thing about Kyle Orton. It's certainly working with the fanbase. They're getting rabid over the acquisition of a quarterback that only a few months ago would have been met with derision (not unlike Pennington back in 2008, come to think on it).
     
  2. ToddsPhins

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    And that's part of the problem----> you're a strong type-A personality who's highly intelligent and writes well, so people sometimes give you credit or follow you even when you're wrong..... which can be dangerous. It's the fact that you ARE so intelligent and respected (especially for all the effort you put into threads, improving quality here, and educating others) that it might be beneficial it you toned stuff down a bit when it comes to issues involving a good bit of speculation and personal opinion.

    B/c of your influence, I would hope you'd overlook your Henne differences, be the bigger man, and use your power of influence to help unify fans for the greater good. Yes, we had a crappy 2010 season...... which is all the more reason to show support for a team that worked their butts off this offseason. They deserve nothing less, and Henne acting as the orchestrator, coach, and OC deserves nothing less. Has Henne NOT been dogged enough by everyone already?

    Is it possible that fans actually trying to support Henne (after all his hard offseason work) might actually be more conducive toward 2011 success than incessantly continuing to bash him b/c he under throws a pass or b/c one shoe lace is shorter than the other?
     
  3. Stringer Bell

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    Do you remember the reports from camp the day of Pennington's first practice? Unreal what a difference that was.
     
  4. ToddsPhins

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    Yes I would. A fool doesn't need an excuse to look like a fool.
     
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  5. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    I don't remember that specific day but I do remember the first week. And you're right, it was unreal.
     
  6. ToddsPhins

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    I'm not saying how they'll react then....... I'm saying how they'd react now if given the choice between Henne taking us to the playoff or Orton doing so.

    It's a given that, if he becomes great, fans will eventually forget they ever said anything bad about the guy.
     
  7. ckparrothead

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    I thank you for the compliments. But, at the same time...why should I be expected to lie about my feelings on where this team is headed? I have strong opinions. I defend them. I don't force them onto anyone. I'm no different from anyone here.
     
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  8. Boik14

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    Youre a sick man Barry. Seek help. Lots of it. :)
     
  9. ToddsPhins

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    This is entirely different. If I screamed after a TD "Yeah Henne, stick it up their f****** arses, except Brady's b/c he might like it", would that be an acceptable form of cheering?
    There are appropriate ways of voicing displeasure, and there are inappropriate ways; I think I've been banned enough times to understand this.

    There's absolutely zero tact involved with booing a QB and chanting for his replacement before the season begins and after an offseason of extreme dedication.
     
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  10. the 23rd

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    Wonder if the chorus will be singing "Chad Henne" tonight?
     
  11. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Maybe that is why they want Carey to restructure his contract
     
  12. ToddsPhins

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    I don't care bout anybody outside south Fla; I care how our team feels about obnoxious fans booing the guy responsible for the quality offseason they had.
     
  13. Stitches

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    http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_football_dolphins/2008/08/dolphins-repo-3.html
    http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_football_dolphins/2008/08/page/2









    uhhhhh.....
     
  14. ToddsPhins

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    I know..... I'm so disappointed we missed out on the 2nd coming of an average QB who'd be replaced in a year and isn't guaranteed to beat out the guy we currently have.

    Ok, that's my lone pot shot. carry on.
     
  15. ckparrothead

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    There's not really much tact involved in 75% of what fans cheer for with respect to football. Every play they cheer for is a play where the opponent, a human being, got burned. And giving up that play will affect his livelihood, his family, etc.

    At some point you have to take a step back and realize this is a game. These players get paid huge sums of money to play this game, and basically live their lives at our pleasure. Whether that's philosophically right or not, I can't say, but it's what is already happening. And therefore I don't see the point in creating such morality issues and scathing dividing lines between what is tactful and what is not, calling people 'morons' and saying "I'm ashamed to be a Dolphins fan", etc.

    And if you think simply saying the name of a potential replacement is "crossing the line" as far as fans heckling their own player, go to a Red Sox game sometime.
     
  16. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    wonder if the Miami chorus will be singing "Chad Henne" tonight
     
  17. GMJohnson

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    With a new offense to install in a very short amount of time, what other options are there? The coaching staff will have to decide whether they want to work feverishly on a small percentage of Daboll's playbook or paint more broadly but with less detail. Sparano commented over the weekend that he preferred doing a big install at the beginning and narrowing the focus soon afterwards. I doubt that many of fans who were booing at the stadium bother to listen to any of Sparano's press conferences though.
     
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  18. ToddsPhins

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    :huh: So the Oline doesn't do its job and fans scream for Henne's replacement? :lol:

    Looks like a repeat of last season.
     
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  19. Dolphins1Beatles

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    Wonder what the Dolphins will do if Henne looks bad in the pre-season again. He looked bad last pre-season, and it carried over to the season. The first two wins were all defense, then he did okay for a while, then he blew it in the end again. If the Dolphins had a defense as bad as the Broncos they maybe would've won 3 or 4 games last season.
    Also makes me wonder if the Dolphins will ride a defense that could be even better to 9 wins or so. We wouldn't have a great draft pick and if Henne plays like he did last year we won't have a QB either. 2001 all over. Will be interesting to watch unfold, at this point though I have little faith in Henne.
     
  20. ToddsPhins

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    If teams practiced that reasoning, then no NFL QB would ever develop b/c virtually none of them would be trustworthy enough through their first 30 games.
    Coaches need to give their QB room (and opportunity) to make mistakes and grow during critical situations. Miami did not do that with Henne.

    Do you think the Rams trusted Bradford when they gave him opportunity after opportunity despite an extreme lack of experience? I seriously doubt it, but how else is he supposed to grow into a premium QB if he's not given these opportunities.
     
  21. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    You know as well as I do that isn't true.

    Bradford showed the coaches enough to be trusted.
     
  22. ToddsPhins

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    Ahhh, so fans should be civil to each other, but civility flies out the window if it's about a player? :headscratch:

    I didn't know civility knew boundaries.
     
  23. GMJohnson

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    Great point, TP. Which reminds me, weren't Long and Carey both held out of the scrimmage?
     
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  24. the 23rd

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    everybody likes a good song
     
  25. ToddsPhins

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    Sorry, but I don't buy the "lack of trust" argument at all. It's not like our ground game was lighting the league on fire.

    What did our ground game do all season to prove that they earned the trust to be able to run the ball inside FG range or have the WC called in the redzone?




    I agree, that trust must be earned....... when you're a veteran who's had time to develop.
    If a still-developing player is involved, you gotta give him the opportunities in hopes that it makes him a better player for it down the line, a player worthy of being trusted despite not fully trusting him now.

    How else does a QB earn trust (in a particular situation) if he's taken out of these situations that would normally lead to building trust?

    You don't trust a QB in the redzone whose redzone performance is more successful than half the QBs in the league (and equivalent to Brees's)?

    Seriously, you'd trust our WC or run game over a QB who just successfully marched our team 50-80 yards down the field?
     
  26. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I just base my lack of trust argument over the actions of the Dolphins coaches and the rumors coming out before the season.
     
  27. JMHPhin

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    ok heres the deal

    Everyone agrees that it would be nice to have a franchise qb. We all argue that we have played it safe for to long. So why then is teh big push for Orton? I mean I wanted him as well but not for a 2. or a long term contract. If we are going after a franchise qb we have to do that in teh draft. It sucks we have to wait a year but 11 didnt have the talent where we could get one without severly overpaying for a not so sure normally late rd 1 or rd 2 talent IMO. None are ready to play even in a normal year maybe Ponder but Locker Newton Gabbert all have issues transitioning to the style in teh nfl. '12 has 3 to 4 of the typical franchise qbs. so why not wait until 12 get the franchise guy the guy that can become elite? Orton isnt winning us a sign amt of games more than Henne, Henne has potential so why not try and tap into it since there are not any franchise lt future qbs available
     
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  28. ToddsPhins

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    What I find amusing about all this-------> Denver fans value Orton so much they'd take a bucket of KFC for him, yet Miami fans are chanting his name in practice as if he's our savior? :lol:
     
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  29. Brewhead1000

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    Wow. This really blew up! Well, I was at the practice and I believeabout 10,000 other fans showed up. (Twice of what any Marlins game could pullfor a Monday night lol.) It was a great experience, a great feel. I was in theseason ticket area (on the field) and being so close to the players, it was funseeing everyone work.
    Now, during a few drills when QBs would work with WRs on afew routs Henne did under and over throw the ball a few times. The practicefrom the get-go was loaded with a bad Henne vibe. What finally sparked thechant was during a live scrimmage when he threw a 5 yard pass to the back ofthe head of a defender. Everyone Boo’d and started to chant the “we want Orton”I remember turning to my buddy and saying… no way. I don’t like Henne but I didfeel the chant was a bit much.
    Premature? Maybe… but I’m not against the fans booing whynot? Just like every boo .. there were many times the crowd roared . Exampleswere on a while Rookie Nicolas Grigsby broke a play open taking it to the hole.Another moment was when Julius Pruitt made a great catch during drills. Croudalso praised a long Henne to Marshall connection
    All in all this is massssssssively OVER HYPED and people that were not even there have taken this to a entire other level.
     
  30. ckparrothead

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    Succeed forward fast?
     
  31. ToddsPhins

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    Then speaking generally, what's your take on trust when the following offensive situation happens:

    - Offense starts a game at their 20 and drives 44 yards into FG range.

    - On 3rd and 6, who has "earned" the right to try and convert or push for a score? The ground game that did nothing on the drive? Or the QB who went 4/4 for 46 yards?
     
  32. ckparrothead

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    This is exactly the right attitude to have about it, IMO.

    But evidently, you're a moron. Or at the very least a moron sympathizer.
     
  33. ToddsPhins

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    depends how fallicious you are. :chuckle:
     
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    Miami fans will give you Henne with a bucket of KFC and a happy meal

    Shows maybe what the fans think of Henne...not necessarily Orton a savior
     
  35. ToddsPhins

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    So you're saying there are no morons in this world, including Dolphin fans? That we just made it up to serve a purpose? :tongue2:
     
  36. ToddsPhins

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    Screw South Carolina. :shifty:
     
  37. ToddsPhins

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    That's how I logically look at it.
    If Henne does well and we win, good for us; we likely have a better QB than Orton.
    If Chad tanks it, then we'll be drafting a QB with a much brighter future than Orton could ever provide.

    So pulling for Henne is a win-win in my opinion.
     
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  38. Brewhead1000

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    Well, in some way or another.. we all are one or the other including yourself sir
     
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  39. ToddsPhins

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    Speak for yourself. You're just saying that because you're a woman.:escape:
     
  40. GMJohnson

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    Shanahan would rather go with Beck than McNabb. Minnesota would rather go w/ McNabb than Ponder. The Titans paid Hasselbeck big $$$ to avoid keeping Young or playing Locker. The Broncos would rather go w/ Tebow & Quinn than Orton. Philly wanted the equivalent of Vontae Davis (DRC) and a 2nd round pick for Kolb. New England is hiding Mallett on the bench after the whole league passed on him twice.

    That's the cesspool of suckage Ireland is supposed to pluck a franchise QB out of? LMAO.
     
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