JeffDarlington Jeff Darlington When asked about the Orton chants at practice Monday night, Sparano said "it makes me sick." A rare show of emotion by the coach.
Wait till he hears "we want Cowher!" during the season. I would suggest he not start out 0-2 at home lest he be made sick
He heard the crowd. He didn't tune it out and insulate himself. I like that. The crowd wanted to be heard, they were heard.
The fanbase is definitely angry, despite the number of rah-rah crowd on here, the numbers favor the pissed-off fans. We are in the majority. That 1st game it will be very interesting to hear what happens the 1st time Henne misses a pass or throws an INT. The question will be, which chant is louder : We want Orton or Henne Sucks ?
Watched an interview about the Jets practice, Sanchez was quite bad and the comment was "he's probably rusty" Henne gets booed and we want Orton. Beck is getting all the support he needs from the coaches, he was crap here and now it's Henne's turn. Bob Greise would not last two seasons with today's fan base he went to 3 SBs and won two Marino only went to one.
ss24 stepping up for #7, this is a good thing I think, let the team rally around him as it will build more cohesiveness.
Sanchez also has won playoff games and played in 2 straight AFC Championships (but by no means do I think he is great - don't get me wrong). He is perceived nationally and locally in NY as an elite QB (which is by no means true, but whatever). John Beck is still really green. He doesn't have enough of a body of work to make him out to be all that bad (in the eyes of Redskins fans). We Dolfans have been a bit torn about Beck too, as many never thought he had a fair chance here in Miami. Henne has been seen to be 1st very disappointing, was an interception machine, 2nd he lost last year to Detroit, Buffalo & Cleveland at home, and we only beat the Jets late in the year because their offense was so putrid in that game that our defense looked all-world against them. 3rd in the last home game, boo-birds finally had their say in the Cleveland loss. 4th the team just looked like they had given up on him against NE in the last game of the year. All of that adds up to extreme pressure on Henne to perform, and in the past, that has not bode well for Henne, he's not that good when the ball is in his court. But we'll see.........
J. Beck was maligned by the fans and press and Henne wasn't the only one on the field, he didn't loose those games they were lost by the Dolphins as a team.Where was the running game. But there is no point to all of this I know Henne is the devil and he should be gone so Orton can take us to the promised land. So when he beat the Jets it was the Jets offense that was putrid. The kid can't do anything right.
Really Schmoot, you don't like the idea of him sticking up for his QB?, after a classless ignorant display by some fans.. I believe my bud has lost perspective.
This kind of theory truly baffles me. It's not BASED on anything. I don't see any evidence for this. This argument would imply that Miami has actually HAD solid quarterbacks since Marino, but they were never good enough for us as a fan base. But what evidence is there of that? Jay Fiedler Damon Huard Ray Lucas A.J. Feeley Sage Rosenfels Gus Frerotte Daunte Culpepper Joey Harrington Trent Green John Beck Cleo Lemon Chad Pennington Chad Henne Tyler Thigpen Cade McKnown Look at that list of guys that have started games in Miami since #13 retired. Tell me which of those guys the Miami fan base gave up on that went on to be successful starting QBs elsewhere? Miami fans are STARVED for even MEDIOCRE play at the position. And for good reason. Look at that list. Just look at it. That's what they've had to deal with for the last 11 years. What evidence is there that Miami have such high standards at the QB position that they're willing to toss away good ones that go on to be successful, just because he's not Marino? Truth is, it's the exact opposite. For every single one of those guys, there were a faction of fans that dug in their heels, got emotional and argued hard for those guys to continue to be given chances. Every single one. None of them went on to actually succeed anywhere else but here in Miami the fan base has been playing either the "we don't know enough about them and we're giving up on them too soon" game, or they've been playing the "he's a solid quarterback and we just need to surround him with better weapons game". With THAT list of mongrels.
We are watching a train wreck happening and some want us to be positive............. Unbelievably apparent this mindless do nothing for the offense, in fact tear it down even more........ The FO could not leave fast enough for me.........Don't really give damn what they do now. To bad because the D really was coming together....... 50-1 vegas might as well be 50 mil.-1.............its unbelievable
No it's good that he stuck up for him, not that I think it matters in the long run. Perhaps I have lost perspective, but it's been a long long time wandering in the wilderness with this team and I'm sick of it. I really don't care whether Chad Henne and tony Sparano are offended by some booing. Maybe it's not all their fault but they are here now and they're the guys taking the heat. They make the big bucks, I expect them to take a little criticism without whining and crying about it or metaphorically crying to mommy and taking their ball and going home
Wake up people Not a Henne supporter but it's not his fault At All..........He's doing the best he can and is just trying to have a career and he can't help it if he's just not good enough.. FO is to blame 100%, with their cluesless insight going into the 4th year.........They're the ones that deserve Fan wrath not Henne...
CK my view is why take Orton when Henne might be just as productive and if not go get your QB in next years draft. I thought they should have taken a guy that you really liked Mallet in the second round and as a byproduct even if Mallet never played this year there would be someone there with potential. The problem is short term thinking and ****ting on Henne makes no sense, I blame management for not thinking of the long term well-being of the team. Why did they not pick a guy like Mallet and why did he fall like he did, I just don't get it.
Fin13, reread my post. I am paraphrasing a lot in that post. Don't take it to heart. Henne has to be given a chance now. Because of their inaction, it is what it is, he is our starter and we have to go with him, and support him. Lets see what he can do, but I am not betting money on his performing well.
No what many people did was stated that if you are going with an avg qb then why replace one avg qb with another avg qb. But the only thing anyone ever hears in these debates is "well you didnt agree with me I dont care what you say you are wrong cause I am right. If you want to replace Fiedler with Brees noone would have argued. You want to replace Feeley with Manning or River or Roeth noone complains its replacing Fiedler with Griese, fiedler with Lucas, Feeley with Rosenfels or Frerrotte etc. How about we make the all too long in coming investment in a franchise qb? I didnt want one of the ones in 11 because I didnt think they were the usual 1st rd crop. put 11 crop in 12 wiuth these crop of qbs and teh 11 crop drops to rd 2 IMO. But I digress, stop getting band aids and fix the position
I don't understand what the Miami front office are thinking either, and I'm not just focused on Ryan Mallett, which is the mistake people keep making is thinking that Mallett is my only problem with how they conducted themselves in the Draft. He's not. I know for as near a fact as can be reasonably expected, that the Dolphins loved Jake Locker and Christian Ponder in that Draft. They let Jake go off the board at #8 and let Ponder go off the board at #12 without doing anything. No trading up, nada. And I also firmly believe they did like Ryan Mallett, and the reason they didn't take him with that 2nd round pick was just because they had the tailback position marked as a "must have" and the quarterback position marked as a "want". And that's that. When that source swore that they tried to move up again to get Mallett after they took Daniel Thomas, I believe them. Such a novel idea to take them at their word, but I believe them. No Jake Locker, no Christian Ponder, no Ryan Mallett, heck no Blaine Gabbert, Colin Kaepernick or even Andy Dalton, either. They don't have conviction in the worth of the quarterback position. That's the bottom line. But nonetheless you may view the fan base as giving up on Chad Henne too early...but don't assume that's because of some Marino-drunk atmosphere where all Miami fans are ready to give up on perfectly good quarterbacks just because it's not Marino. That's not fair. One of these days, I can't wait for that day, people are going to realize and accept that differences of opinion on stuff like this happen and they're not automatically "absurd". I don't think it's absurd to think that we haven't seen enough of Henne to make a judgment on him. I don't think it's right, there's a difference. Personally yes I think it's been more than enough time to see that Henne will never ascend to the level we want.
With the amount it takes for Sparano to evaluate, I think it takes him till lunch time to realized he's even on the practice field...........proof last 3 years of our Oline........still a major work in-progress........ sorry if this bothers people it's breaking my heart each day that goes by..........
he hasn't been able to evaluate for 7 months, I think he and the gm deserve to get some players in and out, create some depth, change the dynamics from last year, were not a week into practice...lockout remember.,,put some things into context and perspective..
DJ I'd agree with you if this was the second year and allow for legitimate evaluations. But it's become very clear to me that the guy doesn't know how to properly evaluate in a reasonable amount of time possibly not in any time. And this SAME pattern is repeating Again and again. EX. the guys still doing MAJOR adjustments to the OL, his friggin specialty,going into 4th friggin year and thank god we had the #1 pick for Long because we'd be in even greater shambles....I'm going crazy here ....i just can't believe how so many have their eyes closed and can't see the PATTERN thats been going on for years and allow this stuff to go on and on.....but I guess nothing we can do about it.......but hopefully see it.........
You think these guys know better, the Dolphins have had a good running game in the past few years but they've never had a good QB and they done nada in the last 10 years. ****ing guys no vision. By the way I really appreciate the work you do on the draft, but you make it really frustrating when because of your analysis I see there is a possible solid QB available and I'm thinking OK here we go and Booom running back.
I really think it breaks down to this: They have a fundamental disagreement with the rest of us on the QB position. They think it's just another position, that the offense makes the quarterback, not the other way around. They don't have the sense of urgency or angst as it pertains to that position, that the rest of us seem to have. And they're quite sure that THEY are right, and WE are wrong. Their moves make a lot of sense in that light. I just disagree with them. But that's not the only philosophy I disagree with them about.
It all goes back to their initial decision as a regime: Jake Long over Matt Ryan. I agreed witht he move at the time but now understand I was wrong. I thought it was a cute story that Parcells asked a homeless man for advice and then took it seriously. Now it infuriates me. I cannot believe I accepted a plan that included starting Josh McCown at QB for a team coming off a 1-15. This regime will never recover from that initial mistake. And I love Big Jake. He is fantastic, all world, future HOF, all that. and he's made absolutely no difference in terms of wins and losses.
I actually think Bill Parcells has learned to store more value in the QB position, than Jeff Ireland or Tony Sparano. I know for a fact, or once again "as near a fact as can be reasonable", that Bill Parcells was up at night tossing and turning over the issue of Jake Long or Matt Ryan. And when Sean Payton took over the Saints in 2006, do you know what Parcells' advice to him was? "Go get your quarterback as soon as possible". That's literally why Payton put a full court press on Drew Brees in free agency. It was on Bill Parcells' advice that he did that. And so in Miami Parcells tortured himself over the Matt Ryan issue and in the end when he decided, I think he just really didn't think Matt Ryan was a franchise guy. And you know what was stunning, now that Parcells has left the Dolphins? When he was interviewed about that move and he admitted that he might have been wrong about that decision. Parcells is a pretty smart guy and he's been around the block, he's seen how futile things can be without a good QB. He's also seen the changes in the game. But you know what is disturbing about the guy that Parcells put in place, Jeff Ireland...is he is the one that said in his press conferences after taking Jake Long that he had him as the #1 player in the Draft for well over a year. And when Parcells said maybe we were wrong to not take Ryan, Ireland got irate about it, vehemently denied that they made any mistake. Sure, he could have been posturing, saying what he's supposed to say. But his ACTIONS point to him having been telling the truth. I think Jeff Ireland is even more anti-QB than Parcells has become. And I can't help but wonder if Ireland really was prepared to head into the 2008 season with Josh McCown, Chad Henne and John Beck, whereas it may have been Parcells and Henning that pushed to grab Pennington when he became available. Parcells drafted Pennington back in 2000.
