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Dolphins Sign QB Kevin O'Connell to a 1 Year Contract

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  1. PhinGeneral

    PhinGeneral PC Texas A&M, Bro Club Member

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    Well since was with the Jets most recently he could probably spill the beans on what brand of razor Sanchez uses to shave his legs.
     
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  2. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    A little Henne-itis? He makes Chad Henne look like Joe Montana.
     
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  3. NaboCane

    NaboCane Banned

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    :lol: Killing me, you guys.
     
  4. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    Isn't that the guy the Jets drafted in 83?
     
  5. CaribPhin

    CaribPhin Guest

    Sanchez cuts easily. Herbal waxes I believe.
     
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  6. CaribPhin

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    Neil O'Donnell? Nvm, Ken O'Brien.
     
  7. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    Was a joke, but for a split second the first time I read the guys name I though it was Ken O'Brien.
     
  8. Aquafin

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    dang Ronnie BrownTown thats funny but yet its so sad. Gosh I cant beleive I am saying this but I miss the days of Huard and Feidler or Brian and Sage . at least Brian and Sage scored touchdowns and was able to throw the ball past 20 yards .

    what has become of our beloved Dolphins ?
     
  9. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Im melting.....but it aint got she ite to do with the Phins......

    Shes melting me......
     
  10. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    The SAVIOR.

    Wouldn't be shocked if this guy threw for 4,500 yards and 35 touchdowns.
     
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  11. CaribPhin

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    The evidence against fans running the front office mounts almost hourly.
     
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  12. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    ...while playing as Aaron Rodgers on Madden
     
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  13. The Aqua Crush

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    So maybe they downgraded from Brandstrader to make Henne look even better by comparison, you know pump up Henne's tires a little?

    :lol:
     
  14. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    it's all a mass conspiracy. We'll be clamoring for the return of the Wildcat soon enough.
     
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  15. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    The plan all along. True genius at work here.
     
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  16. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Whoever they are, they make me sick. SICK I TELL YA!
     
  17. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    Did some reading about O'Connell. From what I read he's a guy that these guys were look at in the 2008 draft if Henne wasn't available in the 2nd round. He hasn't done anything in the NFL being buried behind Brady and Sanchez, but if you look at his college numbers they're not so bad. 11 rushing TDs his senior year at San Diego State to go with over 3,000 passing yards. Plus as some have mentioned he may be able to cue us in on some of the Jets calls, protections, line shifts, etc. Overall, not a bad pick up really.
     
  18. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Has anyone really watched this video of O'Connell being picked on draft day?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgF4577yAYo

    Talk about reasons 1) and 1a) why I hate draft coverage. Everything gets so whitewashed, especally a Belichick pick. Kevin O'Connell's gonna look great in a preseason game or two and then the Pats are going to sell him for a 1st round pick. Right.

    It's like when the Finsiders had me do a radio interview recently to talk about Pat Devlin and Nic Grigsby. Jeff Darlington was a guest co-host. After I hung up, he took issue with my saying Devlin's got a weak arm for an NFL starter, below average. He pulls up something Mike Mayock said once upon a time about Devlin like "He has enough arm strength" or his "His arm strength is pretty good..." and immediately is like "I know Mike Mayock knows his stuff and he thinks Devlin's got plenty of arm strength..."

    Let me de-code that for you. When a mainstream draftnik likes a QB,

    1. If he says, "His arm is one of the most physically gifted we've seen" he means that he's probably in the top 5 among NFL starters for arm strength

    2. If he says, "He has a howitzer hanging off his right shoulder" he means that he's above average among NFL starters

    3. If he says nothing at all about arm strength, he means he's got an average to slightly below average NFL starter's arm

    4. If he says, "I think he's got good enough arm strength," or "He's got plenty of arm?" (with the little turn in the pitch of his voice at the end of the statement making it sound defensive), this means the guy has below average arm strength for a starting QB

    That's just the way it is. The median NFL starter has arm strength that at one point was probably identified as a "cannon" by someone covering him at the college level. But the evaluators on TV whitewash everything so they're never willing to identify who really has below average arm strength, unless it's a guy they really don't like.
     
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  19. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    35 of 74 for 320 yards, 1 TD and 6 INTs in three preseasons. And all three preseasons were damn near identical, so it's not like just one bad showing ruined it all.
     
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  20. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    Meh, I don't put much stock in stats that don't count.
     
  21. Tin Indian

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    Well I expected Brandstater to be gone when I heard we picked up O'Connel. Big surprise. I don't expect anything more out of him than what we got from Brandstater.
     
  22. Abbi Normal

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    The pitiful part is this is the kind of stuff the FO is doing to were we're talking about hasbeens and debating over O'connells retired RB's and QB's OL upgrade and rearrangements and who we didn't get.........

    I mean WTF is happening, the FO can't be this stupid they most have some plan to this madeness. I mean it's not even sutle......
     
  23. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    That's the easy and kind of lazy (no offense) way out.

    You ought to put more store in it, where a QB is concerned. In the preseason, things are generally EASIER for QBs, not harder.

    I've done studies on all the QBs that have played significant amount of time the last two or three years, looked at all their preseason QB ratings since 2006 (first year NFL.com started to track the preseason stats). There's a pretty clear trend when you stack it up. Bad preseason performers at QB are generally bad QBs. There's only one QB out there that is considered a franchise guy, who has had a sub-85 preseason QB rating. That's Matt Cassel. And after his playoff performance there are people in KC thinking he's not really a franchise guy and they'll never win with him.

    The mistake would be assuming it goes the other way around. It doesn't. Like I said, things are generally easier in the preseason for QBs than the regular season. You have guys like Tarvaris Jackson, Drew Stanton, Matt Leinart and Josh Johnson who are consistent preseason performers but who have dubious records during the regular season.

    In other words, a QB being good in the preseason doesn't necessarily mean he's a good QB. I think it's a good sign but it's not a strong sign. However, a QB being bad in the preseason is a strong sign that he's a bad QB, period.

    Here's a list of the QBs I compiled with above-85 preseason QB Ratings:

    Josh Freeman
    Aaron Rodgers
    Peyton Manning
    Drew Stanton
    Tom Brady
    Drew Brees
    Matt Schaub
    Phil Rivers
    Jon Kitna
    Jay Cutler
    Matt Hasselbeck
    Carson Palmer
    Matthew Stafford
    Joe Flacco
    David Garrard
    Tarvaris Jackson
    Donovan McNabb
    Matt Leinart
    Seneca Wallace
    Eli Manning
    Ben Roethlisberger
    Caleb Hanie
    Tony Romo
    Josh Johnson
    Matt Ryan

    Now here is the list of the sub-85 preseason QB Rating guys.

    Trent Edwards
    Rex Grossman
    Ryan Fitzpatrick
    John Beck
    Brady Quinn
    Matt Flynn
    Matt Cassel
    Kyle Orton
    Vince Young
    Mark Sanchez
    Chad Henne
    Derek Anderson
    Kevin Kolb
    Jason Campbell
    Charlie Whitehurst
    Alex Smith
    Marc Bulger
    Troy Smith
    Tyler Thigpen
    Shaun Hill
    Matt Moore

    You don't have to be a mathematician to see the trend there.
     
  24. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    Meh, let me know when he plays in games that matter.
     
  25. CaribPhin

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    You're talking about that. Not them.
     
  26. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    He kind of showed you that, in some ways, those games do matter
     
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  27. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    The failures of the Dolphins over the past decade at QB have made this fan base bipolar when it comes to the position. What I mean by that is there's this ridiculous theory that Chad Henne will either explode and turn into Peyton Manning v2.0 or implode and become Ryan Leaf v2.0 this season. Few people believe he will remain the player he's been and be an average QB who will wow you on some plays and leave you scratching your head on others. So this leads people to believe that if we start Chad Henne we'll go 0-16 and if we start anyone besides Chad Henne we'll go to the Super Bowl. If you sit back and observe without a partial stake about the guy you'll find it to be very entertaining.
     
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  28. Bpk

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    Great work. thanks for sharing it, CK.

    We need a name for this 85QBR pre-season analytical tool. A name for the line.

    Who is the QB you found that LIVES on the 85QBR preseason line every preseason? We can name the 'line' after him.
     
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  29. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    Kyle Orton is on that sub 85 list. Last week everyone on here was talking about how great the kid is (even though I don't agree.) We have fans cheering at practices for the guy. We have the media talking about how much better we would be with him. We have people here who think we'll go to the Super Bowl if we get Orton. But no matter how I feel about the kid the fact remains he demands $9 million a year and can't legitimately be beat out by Tebow.

    Mark Sanchez is below 85 and he's done nothing but QB his team to the AFC championship game twice in the past two seasons. Kevin Kolb is below 85 and the Cardinals gave up a lot and gave him a 63 million contract.

    Again, I reitterate, let me know when he plays in games that matter.
     
  30. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    Drew Stanton, Tarvaris Jackson, Matt Leinart, Seneca Wallace, Caleb Hanie and Josh Johnson aren't good QBs.

    Ryan Fitzpatrick, Matt Cassel, Kyle Orton, Mark Sanchez, Kevin Kolb and Marc Bulger aren't bad QBs

    This doesn't even call into consideration when said QB was in the game with what string of the roster against what string of the defense. And the fact that QB ratings are exceptionally mis-leading.

    No offense, I just don't believe this is a conclusive study of anything.
     
  31. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    What are you talking about? Who was talking about how great he was? People were just talking about how he was better than Henne, who is also on the list.

    Again, you have shown nothing to prove those games do not matter.
     
  32. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    I suppose Trent Edwards is worthy of having such a line named after him, lol.
     
  33. Paul 13

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    That sounds so familiar... I heard that recently.... just this passed April, I did, I did, I did.
     
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  34. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    I don't have to prove the games don't matter. The NFL stipulates that the games don't matter. The onus is on you or CK to prove to me that these games do matter. And with the research provided and the fact that there's just plain awful QBs above 85 and good QBs below 85, the proposed hypothesis is incorrect.
     
  35. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    The NFL doesn't stipulate that the games don't matter. Of course the games matter. If they didn't matter why would they waste their time with preseason games?

    Coaches love preseason games because they do matter. Players do not like them because the do not count.

    You are mixing up counting with mattering.
     
  36. ckparrothead

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    Ryan Fitzpatrick and Kyle Orton are not franchise QBs. Even backers of the Orton trade admit this. Neither is going to give you a 90+ regular season QB Rating with any kind of regularity, if ever at all. Mark Sanchez only had one preseason counted in the study and so he's got time to turn it up, for sure. But there are NO SHORTAGE of people who doubt he ever will be a true franchise QB. He's been little more than a passenger on the success of his first two seasons. You can quote me the price tag on Kevin Kolb, who has performed all in all even worse than Chad Henne in his regular season games, but you'll have to wake me up when he actually does well and then I'll grant him to you as a second exception aside from Matt Cassel.

    As for Marc Bulger, he hasn't performed like a franchise QB since...when exactly? 2006 was the very last time he actually performed like a real good QB, and he's been crap since. Unsurprisingly, he had a preseason QB rating ABOVE 85 in 2006, the very last year he actually performed well during the regular season. Since then his preseason stats came crashing down, and so did his regular season stats.
     
  37. ckparrothead

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    His is a silly argument. What he deems to "matter" and not matter is arbitrary. Preseason games aren't going to win you the Super Bowl. But we're talking about predictors of performance. I guess college doesn't matter, as deemed by the NFL, and so we should draft by blindfolding ourselves and throwing darts at a dartboard. Because, why watch how players perform in games that don't matter?
     
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    I'd dispute the bolded. Caleb Hanie showed something in the NFCCG and deserves to compete seriously with someone. Seneca Wallace's passer rating in 2010 was something like 13 points higher than Chad Henne's. Josh Johnson hasn't seen enough playing time to really display anything because he's buried behind Josh Freeman.
     
  39. ckparrothead

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    Yes, except there's actually TALENT-based reasons to believe it this time around, rather than saying it simply because the Patriots did it, which was the case that year.
     
  40. ckparrothead

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    And actually Tarvaris Jackson has a good QB Rating in the regular season the last three years if you add it all up, I believe.
     
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