I said the exact thing when the play happened and have been arguing with people over Twitter about it since. Fasano had guys on both sides of him. Henne put the ball where it needed to be. Fasano has to make the catch. End of story.
Well....Dupree.... Lets have you start a Poll....this time ask the question.... Did Henning hold Henne back......or did Henne hold Henning back? Even some of Henne's most ardent critics will support the Henning was awful last season..... In fact...just look at Darksides poll.....80% said Henne would be better with different coaching.
i still think the placement of the ball was correct in terms of not getting clocked by the defender, anyways carey didnt look that bad imo
In my opinion...not that it matters.... The ball to Fasano wasnt a perfect throw. But it was clearly a throw that was good enough for it to be a catch Fasano makes 9/10 times. It did appear to me that he had to turn and adjust some.....but....Fasano got two hands on it.
Exactly. If he leads him on that play, he's setting up Fasano to get clocked just as he pulls the ball in and turns upfield. And I bet some critics would complain about that. Long story short. If Fasano makes an easy catch, it's 2nd & 1 or 2 and nobody is complaining about that pass.
I do not think that is even a thing. There is no proof that hurt Henne at all. There is an equal argument that pulling Henne for WC helps Henne rather than hurts him.
I really don't care to nit pick about should he have caught it, or where was the ball or the defender, bottom line to me is that Henne looked like Henne and that's disappointing. And I doubt very much that he purposely threw it a little behind Fasano because of the outside coverage. It just wasn't a good throw regardless if it should have been caught. Same old story.
His point was, why does it only have to go ONE way. They both held each other back. Yes, that should be an option in your poll.
I think we're missing a third party here. This love triangle of ruining each others' careers has to include head football coach, doesn't it. Feels like I'm watching a damn Twilight movie. PS. At least I didn't read the books, give me a pass on that one....
I doubt it. The defender was at least 7 yards away from Fasano at the moment the ball hit his hands. If the ball was placed on the front shoulder he would have had time not only to secure the ball but to try and break the 200 lbs corner's attempt at a tackle using his 6'5" and 270 lbs frame. If Henne actually had a sense for where Dunta Robinson was and threw the ball behind Fasano because of that, it's another example of how Henne's poor field vision leads to overly-conservative decisions. You have to put your play makers in position to make plays.
I just saw the play, again, on widescreen HD. I honestly don't think it's seven yards. It's at most seven yards. And Robinson was turned, had his eyes to Henne, and was ready to spring on Fasano. This was not going to be a yards after catch play. If he led Fasano, I'm fairly sure Ronbinson would have either broken up the completion or taken Fasano's head off. Henne threw it so Fasano could make the easy catch and go down for an 8-9 yard gain.
How could he break up the completion when he was 7 yards away at the point of the catch? If Henne got front shoulder placement what probably would have happened would be Fasano quickly secure the thing and his momentum keeps taking him east-west, not enough time or space to turn the corner and Robinson would have continued coming down on him and probably taken a lunge at his thighs. Whether Fasano would have been able to break the tackle or not is anyone's guess but the ball would have been well secured by then and his feet would have been under him, so he'd have had a good chance of breaking that tackle considering he's 6'5" and 270 lbs while Dunta Robinson...is Dunta Robinson.
Anyone with football knowledge who watched the games last season would know that Henning was a big problem. I can't believe you would blame Henne for tarnishing Henning. Wow.... I know what you are doing but it doesn't make you look very smart on the topic.
Is this what we can expect regular season? Analyzing every single INT to determine where the fault was? Bottom line is, it really doesn't matter whose fault it was. If Henne throws more INTs than TDs again this year, we won't win many games.
If he would have lead him the hater crowd would have *****ing that he was trying to get Fasano killed.
I just don't understand how Dunta Robinson was in position to break up a well placed front shoulder catch. It's questionable whether or not he was even in position to break up John Abraham's interception of the tip drill, and that came way after Fasano would have secured the ball. I guess people see different things but this one I think is pretty clear.
No you do not know what I am doing or you wouldn't say, "I can't believe you would blame Henne for tarnishing Henning."
Sorry I am not a pessimist toward the anti-Henne crowd but merely an optimist with experience. I can predict the *****ing in my sleep.
Yeah Henne took himself out and killed drives with the wC. He also called 6 running plays in an entire football game. The attempt to turn the tide is making you look like you have no clue. I know you do so that leads one to know you are up to something. Hmmm......
Yes. Definitely. Totally agree. You don't even have to squabble over the exact distance. He clearly had enough room. It appeared that Fasano was probably looking to make the catch in front of him and then make the contact with Robinson. It even appears that Robinson was expecting him to catch it and make a quick tackle, which, as you said, a tackle attempt which Fasano could have easily broken. Also, on those type of passes, the receivers are rarely wide open with 10 yards of space or whatever. It's usually a crowded area. I think some of us would just like to see some improvements in the ways like some pinpoint accuracy in the tough spots. Again, as i previously mentioned several times, it's just eerily similar to how he was. Could that be just a coincidence? I guess so, but...................... where's my man shou to talk about Parsimony and "Occam's Razor"?
I am not up to anything. I do not see things as Hennings fault or Henne's fault. I do think that Henning didn't do a great job when he was here. I also think that Henne is one of the reasons that Henning didn't do a great job. Both people made each other's job harder. I do not believe in the idea that Henne would be doing as well as Ryan in Atlanta and Ryan would be doing as poorly as Henne in Miami or that Henne is not doing well because of everyone but him. I think the Fasano play is a perfect example of this black/white thinking. Fasano and Henne both did poorly on the play
Let's not cloud the facts. The ball hit Fasano in the hands, Fasano couldn't pull it in and it was picked off. Could the ball have had better placement? Sure. Was it so-and-so's fault? We can debate this until the cows come home, Fasano should have caught it. I put it on both, Henne put too much mustard on it, but maybe he had to. It's preseason and I'm going to leave it at that.
Your sentiment on "not clouding the facts" is admirable, but the fact of the matter is the theory has been put forth that Chad Henne needed to throw the ball behind Fasano because of the positioning of Dunta Robinson. A discussion of Dunta's positioning and what would have happened if the ball was placed front shoulder is, therefore, necessary. Now, if you're suggesting that we drop the theory that Henne needed to throw the ball behind Fasano because of Dunta Robinson, then I'd agree with you. I don't consider that a sound theory. I don't view the play as something to be laid at one person's feet. Chad Henne made a mistake. Anthony Fasano made a mistake. The result doesn't matter.
I said I didn't think he was 7 yards away. I said he was, at most, 7 yards away. He was also facing Henne and breaking on the ball. Fasano was running towards him. When two players start, at most, 7 yards away from each other and both are moving, it doesn't take all that long to close down that gap. Throw in the second it takes the ball to get to Fasano, and, like I said, Robinson is either there in time to break up the completion after Fasano pulls the ball in or at least has a free shot on him. Henne made the safer throw. Fasano should have caught it.
One is supposed to be the teacher... the one with great football knowledge. The other is young and in the learning process. Yet you still claim equal blame. That is where your train of thought derails. You treat them equally in their experience. The biggest factor in your argument and you ignored it for your own purpose. You argument is a failure without ALL the variables.
