How would you rate Fasanos job catching the ball? Poor throws imply that a highly difficult catch would be necessary and I'm not sure I buy that one.
Well since it was intercepted it would be tragic. However that doesn't make the throw any better. Poor thrown balls also implies that the ball is not thrown on the back shoulder.
I agree with you, if he made that catch it wouldn't have gone on any highlight reels, and you wouldn't have a 20 page discussion on it. But anyone actually grading Henne's performance would have still noted the poorly placed ball. It was more than a few inches off target. More like 3 feet off target.
I just don't want to hear the following phrase from a commentator on a second consecutive telecast: "And for young Dolphins quarterback Chad Henne, this could not be a worse start for him." I don't think that's too much to ask, is it?
I think so. If he's running that route the ball should be in front of him, so he can catch it in stride and keep going. As it was, the ball was not in front, not on the side, but behind him. That's a few feet at least.
If you're depending on commentators and people in the media to not say dumb ****, then I suggest very dark sunglasses and ear plugs.
I've certainly heard less appropriate comments than the one I quoted above, in reaction to Chad Henne's 1 of 3 for 5 yards and 2 interception start to the game.
If that comment was made after the 1st interception then that's pretty bad commentating, which isn't surprising in the least. The 2nd INT, no question.
This is EXACTLY why people argue about this pass so much - because the INT stat is going to be used against Henne in every evaluation, even though his role in it being an INT was very minimal. This is my problem with the conversation - I get that results are results - but if we are looking to fairly evaluate Henne and then throw around the INT like it was some TERRIBLE throw is disingenuous. (CK - I know you argued HARD that the INT in Pitt last year should not have been an INT so this isn't necessarily directed straight at you. Just pointing out why I think a lot of people take such issue with assigning this INT to Henne.)
It was made after the 2nd INT. And actually I was mistaken it was 1/4 for 5 yards, 2 INT...not that it really matters.
We have a 29 page thread largely devoted to one pass. I'm putting the over under at 40 for number of pages in a thread starting Friday night about Chad Henne being booed at the Panthers game
The Pittsburgh deal was just a record-keeping issue to me. It was a terrible decision to count that INT. However if you want to to point to that near-INT as an example of Henne's insufficiency...I'm not stopping anyone. I understand that Chad Henne will get unfairly victimized by his stat line on an interception like that. That ball could just as easily been what like a 5 yard completion? Something like that? The point I've been making is the poor ball placement will lead to an "unlucky" look for a quarterback. People always asking, why doesn't this guy's receivers get yards after the catch? Why do his receivers keep dropping the ball? Why does he end up with all these unlucky interceptions? Why don't players ever get open? When a quarterback isn't getting the LITTLE things like ball placement, timing and decision-making right...that's how he ends up looking: talented, but unlucky.
I dunno...given the up-and-down nature of his performance results...I think he could have a good outing. He had a good scrimmage, had a bad first preseason game...seems like he's due for an up game again, no?
Maybe, although today was supposedly hot and cold for both Henne and Moore so who knows. We have two inconsistent, mediocre QB's. They will have good games and horrible games. I can say this, I hope for Henne's sake that he doesn't have a rough first series. The 20,000 fans packing the stadium will be on him immediately, lol
I actually think of Henne as pretty consistent within himself, his approach, his performance, how he does things. It's just the nature of his deficiencies that make the results pretty inconsistent, IMO.
I definitely agree with you about his tendency to have "unlucky" plays. I came into this year thinking that Henne would be a better player just by the fact that he had something like 6-7 INTs last year that were tips or stopped routes or bad calls (PITT). Honestly, I thought that by simple luck, his TO ratio would be much better. But seeing that first INT in that game definitely gives some credence to what you are saying.
Sometimes luck is that, but for the most part, you make your own luck, and this throw is exactly the definition of that. Is he unlucky because Fasano dropped a catchable ball? or did he make his own luck with the poor throw aided by Fasano not making the what would of been a good catch. Seems like he made his own luck to me.
So now you get the other unfortunate side effect of not always getting the little things right...the "damned if you do, damned if you don't" look.
Give me a break... do you really think that excuses are ONLY made for Chad Henne? They are made for every single player. Brett Favre, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, John Elway, Steve Young... Michael Jordan, Karl Malone, LeBron James, Kobe Bryant. You name it. Every single team has fans that make excuses for their players, no matter how good or bad they are. We as Dolphins fans, still make excuses for Dan Marino. "Dan Marino didn't win a Super Bowl because of a poor defense and run game." Is that a reason why Dan Marino didn't win a Super Bowl or an excuse? People in favor of it would call it a reason, while people who are not would call it an excuse. It's pretty clear what camp you are in with Chad Henne and if other people disagree with your assessments... just respect that and move on.
What is the distance then in feet and inches on a man 6'4 and 255 lbs, from his right anterior deltoid to his left anterior deltoid?
If as you said before, the pass should have been to his right shoulder, and instead was somewhere between mid chest and left shoulder, how is that 3 feet?
If Henne had led him, it is still possible the ball goes through his hands and ricochets off his pads and up in the air.
Correct me if I'm wrong on this as I'm sure someone will. The Fasano play and subsequent argument is a microcosm of the Henne debate. Those that think Henne can be good enough with the proper pieces and proper coaching don't see ball placement as an issue on that pass. They see a Fasano drop being the cause of the interception. Those that are off the Henne wagon and know he'll never be a top 10 quarterback use the ball placement approach to further their opinoin. I go back to a conversation that Dan Marino was having during postgame last year with Esiason. When they watch Aaron Rodgers they NOTICE the ball placement on practically every pass. Because AR's accuracy is so impressive and he is unquestionably an elite qb. The expectation they would have is for every pass to be perfect because he is a stud. And I think it's a shame that people who have made up their minds on Henne hold him to this high level of standard in making their assessments. Because I don't think anyone in their right mind would argue that Chad Henne is elite. I haven't given up on Chad Henne yet. I hope he can be our guy going forward. But I have also said his deep ball accuracy and decision making must show signs of improvement this year. You surround him with guys who will work for him, it'll make that progression clearer and easier to grade.
Yep and I'm not arguing that either. I'm saying I want Henne to start making them touch passes better and said he threw it at a decent velocity this time but the placement was not where it should have been. I can almost gaurantee Henne would agree.
That's fair, but at the same time if we criticize every off target throw by every NFL QB, we wouldn't have enough time in the day to do so. The defender still impeded his delivery.
Bottom line: Henne's accuracy over this distance is good enough to where this ONE throw to Fasano does NOT need to be glorified or thrust under the microscope. His deep ball is what people complained about last year. Chad throws a long pass to Hartline and has been connecting deep during most of the practices, yet it's one of his routinely made throws that people are nitpicking on? I just don't get it. The guy can never win.
His arm's motion clearly was impeded. If anything, he should get praise for having the strength to still throw a catchable ball to Fasano.
Why wouldn't we have enough time. Look how much time we spent today on this topic. It is obvious that we have plenty of time.
See now you are making it like Henne generally is perfect in short throws and only has a problem in deep. Then this game he was good deep but had a problem short. Therefore you are trying to say that Henne can't win because no matter what he does he is looked at negatively rather than positively even when he does things right. Which is false. Henne needs to work on his ball placement for short throws. He has needed to work on that since he started in the NFL.
How does it move it into pocket presence category? That's a blanket statement to make it seem like Henne still did something wrong. He makes the pass despite the pressure, and he puts in it a very catchable location. This is getting ridiculous (not speaking to you specifically, but rather in general). The last time I checked, the ability to stand tall under pressure and deliver a catchable ball is a POSITIVE attribute.... but you're trying to hint at crappy "pocket presence"? I'm at a loss for words right now. Your intention behind the post (seems as though you're trying to establish a notion of doubt without being obvious about it) is borderline insulting to anyone who's ever played QB (if this is in fact your intention).
