The diff is that fasano did turn his body, so I think the point is thrown to his front shoulder without Fasano having to turn that far back to the qb, so in essence to hit the front shoulder without having to turn his body around completely and allow for RAC is what I believe that most are saying and would be more than a few inches
Have we argued about how Fasano's or Henne's jockstrap affected the play yet? I think that is the next natural topic to progress. We really need the Panthers game to get here so we can have some new topics.
If a professional football player who is in a position to receive passes has a problem securing passes with his hands, he probably shouldn't be a receiving option at all.
The ball hit him right in his chest, how far off could it possibly be dude? A perfect pass IMO, would have been a few inches further outside, and perhaps with a bit less velocity to allow for Fasano's overall skills as a receiver. But this is the NFL, not pee wee flag football, sometimes a receiver has to make an adjustment and adjusting to a ball that's coming directly at your numbers isn't too much to ask. Let's assume that Fasano is running an option route. He's curling away from his primary defender vs a zone look and running away vs a man look. On this particular play it's clearly a zone. Fasano shouldn't be in any hurry to get outside and Henne shouldn't be leading him too far outside b/c there's another defender (who Fasano can't see as he turns for the ball) out there to close. You can see from the tape that the CB isn't well anchored by the clear out route being run by the outside receiver. As a QB, why risk throwing Fasano into a kill zone? For a 5 yd gain, in a preseason game? I don't know what Henne's intentions were. Maybe he was trying to throw it outside and failed. Maybe he threw it hard and inside to protect Fasano from the CB. Maybe he was influenced by the pressure and outstretched arm of the DT. Who the hell knows? The fact that we're beating this topic to death is comical. I don't see any 30 page threads on the perfectly placed DEEP BALL that Henne supposedly can't throw, the drive saving scramble on 3rd down that he made, the play where he eluded an unblocked defender and made a decent throw to Bess for what would've been a 14 yd gain, or the PERFECTLY placed throw to Bess on the sideline.
WTF is an arm catch(er)? Visual aide would be nice. 20+ years playing and watching and I don't recall seeing anyone catch a ball with their arms.
A guy who catches the ball with his arms. Watch Fasano play, most of his catches are with his arms in a cradle like fashion. He has a problem catching with his hands.
I'm sorry, but only explanations where Henne can be named as a primary culprit are accepted here. Try again.
I have watched him catch, hundreds of times. Never saw an arm catch. And I still don't understand how it's a good idea to lead a guy who struggles to catch the ball with his hands. Better to put the ball on him so that he can cradle it.
I know, I have no idea how people can even believe that was a good throw and feel the need to defend the position like saying Henne throws a bad throw like saying Henne is the worst quarterback to have ever played the game.
Great thing about beliefs is they can exist in the absence of any empirical evidence. [video=youtube;PCk7RiB3Va8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCk7RiB3Va8[/video]
I am not saying Fasano didnt drop a ball he should of caught. I just think its hilarious people really think that was an good throw.
Ignoring the fact that you said "most" and then chose one play that you thought supported your point...No he doesn't. He "cradles" the ball with between his hands and body, a body catch. It can be a useful technique when the ball is coming directly at your chest or torso but it's generally frowned upon b/c balls have a tendency to bounce off of your pads and into the air.... Sound familiar?
That's the problem though. People are trying to use this throw to further their opinion that Henne is a horrible QB.
I choose one play out of the few that were provided. The fact that I was able to fine one an a video that is specifically created just to show how to catch with his hands is telling. Are you being serious or just being contentious? The ball doesn't touch his body. He cradles the ball with his arms and then wraps his hands around them.
I do not think Henne is a horrible QB. I have some problems with his game and one of them is ball placement. That throw is a good example of poor ball placement. Still if a person believes that Henne is a horrible QB, trying to argue a poor throw is not a poor throw is not going to do it. Should point out the things he did right, such as the pass to Hartline and the dropped pass to Bess. Trying to create a scenerio where the pass to Fasano was not poor will not do the trick. Or the whole, "trying to use Henne as an excuse for Fasano" angle is silly as well because no one is doing that. Everyone is in agreement that Fasano should have caught the ball.
are you serious? we are on page 36 on this discussion and you still fail to understand? Hands can move all over the place, just because someone gets their hands on it, doesnt mean it was a good throw.
I can personally see the difference between an arm catch and a body catch because.... it depends where the ball is and the body positioning of the receiver to the throw. If Fasano is running across the field, and the ball is away from his body yet in front of him, his tendency is to scoop the ball, hands underneath, instead of triangle his hands (thumbs and index fingers making a triangle) to the ball. His scooping action to me is an arm catch because the ball is going to cradle in his arms before he brings the ball to his body. Body catch is what we have in the now infamous Henne to Fasano pass against the Falcons if he actually completes the catch. He lets the ball into his body and we know what happens from there. Either way, it's not the preferred way of catching the ball. Always catch the ball with your hands. Fasano is not a gifted receiver. He is going to struggle to be an asset for Henne no matter how catchable the ball is.
I absolutely hate looking at forum stuff or any stuff with words on a large screen. Now porn on the other hand............ cha-ching.
I have caught a football with my arms, I have yet to meet an alien. There is no way you are being serious.
I admire your perception. My seriousness failed me right around the time that you failed to provide any evidence whatsoever that Fasano catches "most" balls with his arms, whatever that means.
That's BS Dol. GM's being sarcastic but he's absolutely right. This play was on Fasano. He's paid millions to make that catch. Yet all people around here want to do is look for every reason on this play to say that Henne is a bad QB. First it's "the pass was too far behind him". When that was proven false it became "the pass should've been a foot to the left". Then when it was pointed out that Henne's delivery was impeded it became "well then Henne has bad pocket awareness and it's a whole new issue". It's gotten to the point where Daniel Thomas is now suddenly making a great block on the blitzing line backer even though he whiffed on it. How can I trust CK's negative assessment of Henne when he's, in the same breath, saying Thomas deserves praise for his great block on Weatherspoon? The posts that make it hard to take the person seriously are the ones that are trying to glorify this very catchable pass into something dastardly. It's the posts that look for every minute detail to say he's a bad QB b/c of this or that. If GM were wrong, then we'd see thousands of posts on all the solid stuff Henne did or the areas that he improved upon from last year.
How is he right? I am not saying Fasano shouldn't have caught the ball. He should have caught the ball.