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The Good and the Bad...

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Paul 13, Aug 12, 2011.

  1. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    That's funny man. Yeah, I never missed an episode either and I've watched the reruns many a time. Always late at night before I pass out. I have most of them on VHS. I have to go online and buy them on DVD. They are still just as funny as ever. I really liked Seinfeld, but I still liked Cheers better. The writing on Cheers is what made it so superior, imo. I also used to love All in the Family and Sanford & Son....and Taxi was definitely up there as one of my favorites. Christopher Lloyd was great. "What does a yellow light mean?"... "slow down" .."what....does...a....yellow.....light.....mean?"....."Slow Down!!", etc, etc, etc. Same producers and a lot of the same writers from Cheers. :up:
     
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  2. mbmonk

    mbmonk I have no clue

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    EDIT: KingMotion beat me to it.

    It's not a big deal Larry's point still stands about the placement of the throw and catch. I just figured I would do my part to push us to 1K!!!
     
  3. mbmonk

    mbmonk I have no clue

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    I would have given up a 3rd round pick for Olson in a heart beat....
     
  4. JMHPhin

    JMHPhin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Nothing surpasses Cheers, NOTHING I SAY!!!!!
     
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  5. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Probably the hold up on an Olsen trade was the new contract he'd want to go with it, or else you are trading him for a 1 yr rental. He signed a 4 yr extension that averages 5.7 mil a year. I don't know, just guessing that may be why, right or wrong, that Ireland did not try to get him.

    Boss signed with Oakland 4 yrs 16mil, and I think we could have well afforded that. Fasano and Boss together would have been great IMO.
     
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  6. JMHPhin

    JMHPhin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    should have got Miller. If you are in teh market for that pos go get the best, he is young and solves that position for years to come

    But done is done
     
  7. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member


    [video=youtube;N6HI1pjfHlc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6HI1pjfHlc[/video]
     
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  8. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Did you have a preference between Diane Chambers and Rebecca Howe? I personally much preferred Diane. Never been a big Kirstie Alley fan.
     
  9. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    I dunno Oz. I understand what you're saying I just disagree. I don't want that ball thrown any more than a hair further outside and even that is being nitpicky IMO. The risk vs reward factor is heavily tilted against throwing it any further towards the sideline.
     
  10. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    yeah but Hines practices tackling on offense all the time so he doesn't count compared to an NFL DB who............. wait nevermind. :shifty:
     
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  11. Agua

    Agua Reality: Try It!

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    Am not a "BIG" Kirstie Alley fan, but liked the small Kirstie Alley a lot. :D

    Seriously, I didn't like either of those characters. Diane took herself too seriously and Rebecca was obnoxiously and pathetically ambitious.
     
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  12. JMHPhin

    JMHPhin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Dianne Chambers easily. There was just a diff dynamic when she was on the show. Rebecca was good as well but she was too whiny, plus that whole year or two where Sam didnt own the bar wasnt good to me.
     
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  13. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    First Henne doesn't have time to make a good throw, now he has all the time in the world to think about protecting his Tight End from a hit. Make up your mind!
     
  14. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    And he put it in a spot to where the receiver drops it, it will probably be intercepted.
     
  15. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Throw the ball LOWER!
     
  16. JMHPhin

    JMHPhin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    No doubt Cheers is the best sitcom ever made IMO

    I loved when Frazier was dating Dianne and they went to do the polar bear dive and they left Frazier there, that was funn as hell, or the prank wars with Gary's bar
     
  17. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    It is that piece of thinking that makes be believe that neither you, GMJohnson or Toddphins actually believe what you are writing.
     
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  18. Ozzy

    Ozzy Premium Member Luxury Box

    See I have absolutely no problem with the way you're thinking. BUT actually a hair more to the outside is a picture perfect pass that I think Henne is capable of doing. See how Fasano makes a minor adjustment on the ball and how Robinson had just started to break on the ball at that very same time? That pass you just described would have hit him at about the same time. Fasano, imo, would have had just enough time to react to Robinson's actions. Abraham was already trailing the play too.

    I think it was the Steelers game last year where Fasano caught a couple of nice passes up the seam. He had the safety bearing down on him fast. Fasano bulled right over him like a truck ran over a bike at full speed. If I recall correctly, he also fumbled the ball but he can be very physical.

    So am I nitpicking? Yes I am but remember that I really did not have a problem with the pass as it was. Just want more from Henne, and think he can deliver more. Fasano made it look worse! Yes he did...
     
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  19. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Excellent! I've thought for quite a while that you don't believe what you write either and that you just get some kind of pleasure out of arguing.
     
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  20. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Nope, I believe everything.
     
  21. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    Why do you keep making generalizations....... and then try to twist those generalizations into unrelated situations to fit your argument in an attempt to discredit people responding to your previously generalized comment?

    you realize that a part of accuracy is putting the ball where your target isn't getting killed, right?

    The thinking about "throwing to where you're not getting your man killed" should be close to second nature by now, so there's not really much "extra" thinking going on. Hence us seeing Henne's receivers rarely to never getting leveled. If his accuracy is as poor as some people try to make it out to seem, then surely you can find plenty of instances where Henne booked a flight to la la land for his receivers. It doesn't happen b/c Henne doesn't do it; and Henne doesn't do it b/c he knows it shouldn't happen.


    If you know what the coverage is or where it's "supposed" to be, then the same amount of thinking that tells you to "lead" your target in Scenario A is the same amount of thinking that's telling you to put it on his hip in Scenario B. But again, obviously you've never been a quarterback. The amount of time needed to throw is irrelevant unless it's become so short that your intended target radius has increased from the size of a baseball to a hula hoop or a small car; however, even then you still typically know where the pass needs to go but it's your mechanics preventing you from getting it precisely there.

    Also, not every throw is to the EXACT same spot on the field at exactly the precise time, so there will always be a level of thinking involved when it comes to accuracy. Leading the guy, not leading the guy, it makes no difference---- you're still assessing where the throw needs to go as you're making it. A QB who can't do that has no place in the NFL.

    (And nice try by the way------ however, I'm not sure where this whole "first it was Henne didn't have time to make a good throw" argument comes from. Straw one if you ask me.)
     
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  22. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Part of accuracy is not to throw the ball on the upper back shoulder. That should be second nature to a quarterback once they make it too the NFL.

    I agree with the end, and Henne is going to have more of these accidents if he keeps on throwing balls to the upper back shoulder.
     
  23. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    well then we should probably get new receivers considering Henne throws less off target passes than every other 2006 and younger QB. lol
     
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  24. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    :sidelol: throw the ball lower. :lol:




    This guy..... with the jokes. :sidelol:





    Have Thomas hold his block on the guy that Pouncey probably should've picked up so that the defender can't get his hand in on Henne's release. That's what gets the throw lower. :lol:



    :tongue2:
     
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  25. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    Well, we certainly don't believe what you're writing, so at least we're consistent then. :wink2:
     
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  26. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Always with the excuses.
     
  27. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    I am fine with that.

    Now use more laughter because it makes your argument looks better.
     
  28. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    This is the problem I have----- that people are glorifying this throw like he routinely does this. He doesn't.

    Chad does a very good job of general ball placement and knowing where the pass needs to be. Outstanding to be honest for a young QB. Knowing where the pass "needs" to be is probably one of his best attributes, and it's not one that all QBs get as well as Henne does IMO...... and that's one of the reasons I like him, b/c he's always impressed me about getting this aspect of the game. He's very mature in this regard for a 2nd or 3rd year QB, veteran-like if you ask me.
     
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  29. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    oh cmon, you're telling a guy to throw it lower (in capital letters) despite his release being impeded.... but accusing me of excuses?

    It's stuff like this that leads me to believe that you never really believe what you write.
     
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  30. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    No he doesn't. I generally find his ball placement lacking and one of the reasons why Miami has so little YAC.

    Especially with slants and crossing routes.
     
  31. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Really? Because what you wrote didn't actually make any sense.

    I am not making excuses for Henne. I have seen quarterbacks make that play.
     
  32. ToddsPhins

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    How do you arrive at that conclusion when his ball placement has to be pretty darn good for the routes our receivers run?
    If it wasn't good, there would be undercut pick 6 after undercut pick 6 considering our OC telegraphed plays with constant 5 step drops. Despite this, there STILL were very few successful jumped routes. You know why?---- b/c Henne does a solid if not great job of putting those passes to where only his man can get it.

    The "little YAC" has to do with Henning's ridiculous offense that involves nothing but comebacks and outs. It's sometimes difficult to gain YAC when you're running the opposite way or when the sideline is allowed to act as an extra defender.

    Slants and crossing routes? What are those? Those must be the routes that other teams around the league use to pick up YAC.
     
  33. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I do not think he is inaccurate. I think he is a very accurate quarterback. I do not think he has good ball placement. He gets the ball to where it needs to go, however he doesn't put it in the best places at times.

    When you have a quarterback who doesn't have good ball placement, however is accurate, you call more comeback and outs.
     
  34. ToddsPhins

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    make what play? The play where the QB's release is hit and he still throws a catchable ball into the chest of his target? Yeah, I seem to remember last Friday a Dolphin QB making that play, too.
     
  35. Stringer Bell

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    Why did we run so many comebacks and outs in 2010 in comparison to 2008????
     
  36. ToddsPhins

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    That's understandable, but I don't think fans stop to realize (amidst all the complaints about Henne's long distance accuracy) that all these seemingly short to mid range routes along the sideline are actually like 30-50 yard passes depending on the spot of the ball? The degree of difficulty for his majority of throws is probably higher than the majority of QBs in the league.


    I think it's the other way around (same intention but I think the terms are reversed). I would say he has good placement (e.g: pass thrown to target's outside, away from defender), but could use some fine-tuning with placement's accuracy (for instance-- maybe thrown closer to Bess's outside knee rather than his outside hip on a particular play). It's been a while for me so I could be wrong; GM's honestly the guy to ask.
     
  37. ToddsPhins

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    We ran them in 2009 as well..... and in 2009, we started out with Penny.

    The only thing I can remember is--- in 2008 we had a pass catching TE..... and we had Ginn.
     
  38. Ozzy

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    My guess is Todd gets post 1000


    :)
     
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  39. Sceeto

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    Hey, just got back from work. Back off topic. :wink2: I actually liked both. Diane would sometimes get annoying, but it's how everyone played off of her which was funny. I really loved Kirstie Alley on that show. She gets a bad rap because of all the stuff which came after like gaining a million pounds, etc. On Cheers, I actually think she was an amazing comic actress. I think she was very much like a modern day Lucille Ball. The way she would try to act all professional and business like and then, all of sudden, break down like a little girl.....that was great. Different characters, but I liked them both. It always really comes down to the writing which was always top notch. The best. Through both actresses until the end.. Also, that was the best final episode for a show. They usually suck like Seinfeld's, but that was the best finale. :up:
     
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  40. Sceeto

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    Yeah, that was great. I can recite a million lines which were great. Such as when he was walking into the bar and he was having a bad day at work(psychiatrist) and he felt like he wasn't helping anyone and he asks for a beer and when it comes, he looks at it and says: "Now that's a head that can shrink" :lol: It was great when he first came on that show. He didn't have as much of that pompous, theatrical way of talking and they would always knock him down a peg which kept him real. That balance is what was great. I couldn't stand his own show. He and his brother were just like two gay, pompous dudes. I didn't like that show at all. On Cheers, when they would knock him down a peg and make him more of a regular guy, that's what was brilliant....the writing.
     
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