Chad Henne vs other starting QB's - 1st Pre Season Game

All the teams that have their QBs compared there are either:

1. In same situation.

2. Better than Henne.

Just saying.

 

I think the point is to let people know that you cannot judge a player's offseason growth after three series.

 

Fixed.

 

If so, I agree. Sorry if I misread VT.

 

I thought Mallett looked like he belonged, personally. He did have issues but he looked like he belonged. I'll be watching Newton (and Locker) later. I broke down Kaepernick and he didn't look like he belonged though. However, still early.

 

Reality check...

Chad Henne = 3 drives against Atlanta 1st team defense...2 interceptions, one 3 and out = 0 points!

1-5, 5 yards, 0 TD, 2 interceptions...0.00 QB Rating

Even if someone wants to argue Fasano pass should have been caught Henne's numbers against Atlanta 1st team D...

2-5, 12 yards (fair to say Fasano wasn't going to be getting any RAC), 0 TD, 1 interception...8.33 QB rating

BTW...just going 0-5, 0 yards, 0 TD, 0 interceptions would result in a 39.58 QB rating

Chad Henne = 1 drive against reserves...1 TD

3-3, 72 yards, 1 TD, 0 interceptions...158.33

 

I think Henne is going to have a good game against the Panthers this Friday night. He's very up and down. He was up for the scrimmage, a little down (let's be honest) against the Falcons, and I think he could have a much needed up performance.

 

In my experience true rookies rarely do well at QB even in preseason. Their heads are spinning off their shoulders. There's often a dramatic turnaround by second year.

 

Yeah that's mainly because of they're unfamiliar with responsibilities or are learning on the job (in game). They receive the snap, see all the moving pieces of the defense after the route distribution and then hit the checkdown to be safe. But Ryan Mallett wasn't really like that because he's so far ahead of many of the guys drafted ahead or behind him mentally. I haven't watched Locker yet (will tonight) but it wouldn't surprise me if he was similar to Mallett in that case. Both guys had a lot to do on offense in college. Interesting thing with Kaepernick was that he wasn't really like the other young QBs, throwing safe and all, but you can't really decide if its poor decision making at this early stage of his career on his part or if hes understanding what hes asked to do. Its interesting. He has a lot of issues, biggest one being footwork right now, but he has some potential.

 

From what I've seen and heard, Locker knocked one out of the park in that first game. We'll see though. Still not high on him.

 

Just for info, Newton is starting against us Friday.

 

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This.

 

So Matt Ryan who went 0-4 against our first unit is a bum also I guess?

 

Guess I'll see tonight. I saw his touchdown though. Loved the use of the half-roll, even though Locker fumbled the snap, it looked like the roll was designed.

 

You know, following Orton's lackluster outing, I headr Broncos fans had started a "we want a third round pick and a conditional third the following year" chant...

 

I think it's cool that Newton is going to start against us. I'd like to watch him play. Haven't gotten a chance to watch that first game yet. I'd like to see him start this year. Of the four guys I liked most in this Draft I think all four are in relatively good situations.

1. Ponder is going to have to sit behind McNabb and that's a good thing. He's not the kind of physical dynamo that will get it right away. But all indications are that McNabb has turned into this super McDouche and one of Ponder's biggest strong suits is his locker room presence, work ethic, brains, etc. That having McDouche as a foil gives him the opportunity to set himself apart and win support in the locker room before he even gets out there. And when he does get out there, I think the scheme is a good fit for him. He's good on his feet.

2. Gabbert is the one of the four I felt most urgently needed to SIT for a year, maybe even two. He's got the worst quotient of physically dynamic talent to pro style experience among the four. He's definitely got a mess of physical talent, that's not what I'm saying, but he's not some Big Ben/Josh Freeman/Cam Newton physical dynamo. And his pro style experience is worst among the four as far as translating it to what he'd be doing in the pros. Yes, even worse than Cam Newton, because I believe wholeheartedly that the Panthers are going to mold their playbook to him and do a lot of what he did at Auburn. What I like is that Gabbert is sitting behind David Garrard, and those two are going to get along great. Ponder has a stronger personality than Gabbert so I don't feel like he necessarily needs to get along with the guy he's backing up...he's strong enough to set himself apart and learn that way. Gabbert though, I think he's better off sitting behind a guy that likes him and really is taking him under his wing and teaching him things, and I think Garrard will do that. I also think Garrard could very well have his best season as a pro, because he's kinda ticked off about them drafting Blaine...and that's good because it'll keep Blaine where he belongs, on the bench, for as long as possible.

3. Ryan Mallett needed to be knocked down a peg or three. I feel like that happened throughout the whole Draft process, it was kind of ridiculous how bad it got for him. But, it was great experience for things he'll need as a pro, which are the ability to tune things out and focus on the task at hand. You can be Aaron Rodgers and someone's always going to be tossing out criticism that can be hard to ignore. He's now in a situation where he has a super strong personality at quarterback in Tom Brady, and Tom has a strangle hold on the position and on the team. This is a test for Mallett, maybe even the perfect one. According to what everyone was saying about his personality, he should fail this test. He should rub everyone wrong, start grousing about how unlucky he is, start demanding trades, being sulky, not giving 100% in practice because he's never going to start anyway...doing everything he can to get Bill Belichick to just give up on him, basically. That's all according to the book that got written on him prior to the Draft. I don't think any of that's going to happen. I think he's going to be a model teammate and he's going to learn a lot of things from Tom Brady. He's going to learn how to be as ultra competitive as he is, but in the RIGHT way, the way that comes off smooth like your sh-t doesn't stink. He and Brady have that ultra competitiveness that borders on dickishness. But Brady's very polished now. It also helps that Mallett's modeled his game a lot after Brady and Peyton and now he gets to watch firsthand how to be a master pocket passer like them. Basically Ryan Mallett just got enrolled in Finishing School, and I think whoever trades for him is going to be pretty happy about that.

4. Now you have Cam Newton. The Panthers are kind of a mess. For him, I like that. Of all the four guys, only Christian Ponder exudes more leadership skills, IMO. That's not necessarily because it comes natural to Cam, but because he's trained and willed himself to do it. I think he has the character to take hold of a team right away and try and put them on his shoulders. That's what we found. He works hard enough to do it. And perhaps more importantly, he's enough of a physical marvel that when he goes out there, he's always going to be making the kind of "wow" plays that keep hope alive for the future. They may not win a whole lot of games this year but he's going to get much needed experience and it's going to be his team, and I like that. He's the one guy that IMO needed to play immediately, to start getting his feet wet. Even Mallett, before he started playing, you wanted to be sure that his personality issues were out of the way.

 

Are you really comparing Matt Ryan to Chad Henne? Really?

 

When you're as good as Ryan, you can start shaky.

When you sucked as much as Henne did last year, then come out and throw one interception on a pass thrown behind a receiver that he bobbled, and another on a terrible, TERRIBLE read, you can't.

As for those who said you can't judge offseason progress by three series. He made the same kind of stupid read he did last year. Ergo, no progress.

Sorry those looking through Henne glasses, we are going nowhere with this guy behind center.

 

Nope, the point went right over your head didn't it.

Both teams didn't game plan for what the defense was going to do, so yes, the defense will have the upper hand.

To base anything on a few plays in the first preseason game, when both teams have been in camp for only two weeks is just silly!

 

There's nothing wrong with what he said.

Well, actually there is one thing wrong with it. Matt Ryan was actually 1 of 5 for 21 yards, 0 TDs and 0 INTs against our 1st string defense.

Not exactly the strongest of showings for Matt Ryan to start out with...but I did feel he was forcing the ball to Julio Jones, very likely under direction from the coaching staff. They definitely started that game with the full intention on feeding Julio as much as possible and especially in that first drive I felt like they paid for that.

But even if you're going to just compare how they did versus 1st stringers, even if you count that Fasano bobble as a catch instead of an interception, we're still talking an 8.3 QB Rating versus a 44.6 QB Rating.

They both ramped it up against 2nd stringers. The one primary difference being when Ryan ramped it up versus the Dolphins' 2nd stringers, he was also throwing passes to his 2nd stringers like Eric Weems, Harry Douglas and Justin Peelle. When Henne ramped up versus the Falcons' 2nd stringers, he was still throwing to our 1st stringers Brian Hartline, Davone Bess and Anthony Fasano.

 

Henne didn't have Marshall or Bush...I would have to think that makes a difference...

 

Marshall, yes. Bush...we'll find out.

 

Oh, I think it pretty safe to assume that Bush's presence woulda helped Henne and our offense. C'mon.

 

Eh, here is the funny thing to me, if Henne went out and threw 3 Td's on 8 passes, "oh it is preseason" would be trotted out, when he doesn't it is "more of the same".

If threw 8 Td's would people then be happy?

I'd say probably not, Friday cannot come here soon enough.

 

I would be happy if he threw 3 touchdowns on 8 passes.

I would be tempered due to the fact that it is preseason, however it would add to hope.

 

Ok, point taken. The fact remains, though: At the end of the day one of those QBs is very good while the other one is very bad.

No one gives a sh*t if Matt Ryan puts up bad stats in the PS b/c the guy is a baller when the real games start.

 

I don't think that's safe to say at all. We'll see.

 

Thank you.

 

Yeah I don't get when people say that. I said before the preseason started that if he's drawing preseason passer ratings in the 90's then I'll actually start to believe he might be turning the corner. And that would be a significant move off my previous stance. Yet people have to pretend that he needs to throw 3 TDs in only 8 attempts in order to unsuccessfully impress us?

Jesus.

Baby steps please. First we can try not throwing an interception every 4th attempt...then we'll work our way up to throwing a TD every 3rd attempt.

 

I'm not saying Henne is anything but what he is, you just can't use a few plays in games that they didn't game plan to base an opinion. If you want to go by career, than I would agree.

I have been a Henne backer, although I wanted Mallet something awful. That being said I'm willing to see what the new OC and QB coach can do with Henne. Do I have high hopes? No, but what choice do I have now?

 

All he needs to do is limit his turnovers to find success. This is his year, and probably last chance with the dolphins to prove it. We've seen him throw deep, have good accuracy, throw TD's, move the chains. But if he continues in the regular season to turn the ball over (his fault or not) he's not the qb the dolphins need to be a good-great team in this league. If he's turning it over as much as he's putting TD's on the board we will float in Mediocrity. It's a bad decision to give up on him before this year, he's still young enough to prove he's worthy of a starting Qb spot. Some of his play in the first 2 years have shown his potential. If Henne protects the football in 2011 the dolphins will win games with him under center.

Sidenote: The funny thing i haven't seen mentioned about the first pick to Fasano, is Bess is over the middle with single coverage doing a hook. and right when Henne's about to force feed fasano Bess is turning around. That's the throw Henne should have made, making the argument about Fasano's poor excecution in double coverage or Henne's bad throw irrelevant. But it was the first throw of preseason action, i'm not certain he would have made the same decision in a regular season game. Maybe he would have, maybe not. That is of course if i remember the play correctly.

 

I watched Locker play and he was horrid. I thought he looked pretty much like he did in college. Even some of his completions were flukey. He had a pass that his TE caught that was high and behind that I think gets caught 1 out of 1000. If the TE misses it's an easy INT by the safety about 10 yards behind him. That happens and nobody is saying Locker played well. Contrast that to the pass that hit Fasano in the facemask that turned into an INT. That pass is caught 999 out of a 1000 times. That happens and Henne is over a 90 QBR. Although I expect that many here would still be focused on the pass he forced that was an INT. LOL

 

Fair enough. I'm with you on Mallett, though...there was absolutely no (good) reason for the Fins not to take him.

 

Actually, I think throwing 3 TD passes in a game would go a long way with Dolphin fans. So far in 27 starts he has only thrown 2 TD passes in 6 of those games and has never thrown 3 TD passes in a game. Unfortunately, he has thrown 3 interceptions in a game 5 times.

I am keeping an open mind that Henne has improved. I thought he made some nice plays in limited action against the Falcons, along with a blatantly bad one. But other than the MNF game against the Jets in 2009 there is no other game to point to that as a fan I can say "There was that game against...that Henne tore it up."

3 TD passes on 8 attempts...I would go buy me a Henne jersey.

 

I think we shall see that this game, especially if we see Marshall in the game as Bush is already going to play.

Cannot wait to see if Livas has a solid game, just a solid, smart, productive outing and maybe some at Wr.

 

Funny thing about that Rafi, Moore threw an Int and no one barked about it, mainly because he was being aggressive and pushing the ball down the field, I'd like to see Henne do the same, even if it a int, just let it fly and let his guys make a play for him.

 

Honestly I don't see speculating what if Fasano caught that ball, he'd have been 5/8 for 84 yards, 1TD, 1INT or whatever. If he hadn't thrown that interception I think it'd be a fair bet he wouldn't have been out there for that fourth drive against the Falcons' backups. So we don't really know what the stats look like in that scenario.

 

I thought the 2nd interception was an aggressive pass. It wasn't real far downfield, but it was a tough throw that I think he made because he was being aggressive. He might have let it go a half second later than would have been ideal with 20/20 hindsight, but I still see that as an aggressive throw.