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Chad Henne vs other starting QB's - 1st Pre Season Game

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  1. MarinePhinFan

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    Really? I am so sick of this reply when a person happens to mention two or more players in the same post. How in the **** did he compare Henne to Ryan?

    If I said that P. Manning's first year in the league was horrible and then stated that he too threw more INT's tnan TD's just like Henne (or most other QB's), would you think I was saying that Henne was comparable to Manning?

    If I see that Henne, in his first preseason game, had an 83 QBR and was getting hammered for it and then show that other QB's who are "supposedly" much better did worse that's not comparing the two. It's showing that MANY QB's, in their first preseason game, struggled and it's expected.

    Why the **** can't people understand this? I see this **** so often I want to grab those people and shake the **** out of them. I mean, how else are we supposed to gage a QB's success? Should we break down Henne's play and then show that Ed Reed had no INT's so hey, Henne played OK? Does that make any ****ing sense?
     
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  2. Fineas

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    The LOS was at the 25 and Bess was at the 41-42 and at the sideline. That's a tough throw. Definitely should have been done better, but I find it hard to criticize him for lack of aggressiveness on that.
     
  3. ckparrothead

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    Yeah, that feels right, to me.
     
  4. ckparrothead

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    There's always mustard on his passes...sometimes too much. That one that hit Price right on the facemask after going right through his hands? That was like a 20 yard pass. You don't usually have to worry about taking something off your passes down the middle of the field in between defenders at 20 yards distance.

    Mallett looked like Ivan Drago out there. Huge. It was no wonder he ducked that glancing blow so easily toward the beginning of his outing. I think he's gotten a little stronger, you could be right he may have gained weight.
     
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  5. ckparrothead

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    We'll see, when I do watch Newton. I don't demand a rookie be consistent in his first preseason game or have some great QB rating, or have total command of the offense. It's nice when they do that (see: Mallett) but it's not necessary. What I demand from them is that they give me plays where they show me exactly why I drafted them. You have to give me those plays that when you get right down to it not a lot of other QBs are going to make.

    I felt like Ponder actually did that a lot. Why would I have drafted Ponder? I would have drafted him because he generally has the slickest timing and fundamental execution of the quarterbacks, because of his really very, very good athletic ability, and because he's one of the best throwers on the run from odd leverage that I've seen. So what did he do in this first preseason game? He showed me those things, over and over and over again. Escapes pressure, dances around all crazy in the backfield making defenders look silly, rolls out and throws a nice accurate dart at a dead run. Or on other plays, he just showed me that decisiveness that led to such slick timing and anticipation in college.

    Ryan Mallett of course showed the command, the arm, the accuracy and the anticipation of pressure that would have seen me drafting him. Even Jake Locker, if I could bring myself to draft him, why would I do it? It's because of that escapability and improvisation combined with the big arm, his ability to roll out and throw that deep ball to Jermaine Kearse over top of Prince Amukamara for a long TD. Sure enough, the son of a gun does the exact same thing in his first preseason game. Why would I have drafted Gabbert? It would have been because of his ability to make intermediate throws as well and as accurately as I've seen, plus his ability to manipulate ball placement in order to either throw open a guy or to put it in a spot over the middle (low) where only the receiver has a chance for it. That's what intrigued me in college, and he showed that in the first preseason game.

    So if Newton goes out there and just never runs...I'm actually not liking that. I drafted you in part to hurt people with your legs and be dangerous that way. I don't necessarily need him to run for positive yardage but I do need to see him buying time and making people look silly then finding the outlet, as only he can do. Embrace what you are. If they're trying to get him to never run so that they can just purely work on his passing, I don't know that I like that. I'd rather get a guy practicing how he's really going to play so that he has a good feel for that balance during the actual games.

    On the other hand judging from the stats it looks like Kaepernick ran too damn much, 19 throw attempts with 4 sacks and 6 runs. That's a little high on the sacks/runs part of his game. But I'd have to see it to know what to think of it.
     
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  6. rafael

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    I really wanted to like Locker's performance just b/c there was a rumor the Dolphin's liked him in the draft. I don't know that there was anything to it, but if so I wanted to have more faith in their QB analysis. And I believe that his ability to improvise is critical in today's NFL. I think players who can't do that end up "not good enough" unless they just have a great team around them. That's why I never got on board with Mallett. Unfortunately, I still found Locker's passing too scattershot for my taste. I don't have faith that he's likely to develop enough to threaten from the pocket, at least not likely enough for a first round pick.

    I watched a bit of CKap and he did run a ton, but his Oline was atrocious. I don't think he had a choice.
     
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  7. Paul 13

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    I don't get that comparison at all. If Booker couldn't cut it in Philadelphia, with that offense and his ability, he is not a similar player to Reggie Bush. You put Bush on the Eagles' squad right now, you think he'd be cut and not make the final 53?
     
  8. ckparrothead

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    If he signed under an assumed name, yes. Absolutely.
     
  9. Paul 13

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    heh, switched his name... you think a team like the Eagles, with their superior coaching staff, wouldn't recognize talent when they saw it?
     
  10. ckparrothead

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    They would. That's the point.
     
  11. Paul 13

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    well I'm glad you're see things the way I am.
     
  12. ckparrothead

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    I'm saying that the Eagles' coaching staff are good recognizers of talent, and so if Reggie Bush somehow found himself signed to a contract under the assumed name of "Freddie Poon" then there's a good chance he might not make it out of camp, because the Eagles staff are good evaluators of talent.

    Is that what you're saying?
     
  13. Paul 13

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    No. I'm saying Bush is more talented and has shown the production that your boy Lo Booker has not. Lo Booker was cut from the Eagles after they traded a fourth round pick for him (a year after we drafted him in the 3rd round, during that year he basically showed nothing). For the Eagles to trade a fourth, they must have thought they could turn that player into something. Yet they were wrong and subsequently released him before he even made the regular season roster. They don't normally make mistakes like that. So I'm then putting Bush on the Eagles training camp roster this year and guaranteeing he'd make the team. You, upon changing his name quite conveniently, say he wouldn't make the team. But you're also saying then that if he doesn't change his name, that the Eagles coaching staff would be so blinded by the name Bush, that they'd have to keep him on the roster. I'm going out to buy my Freddie Poon jersey.
     
  14. ckparrothead

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    1. Production is a function of opportunities

    2. You say he "basically showed nothing" the year he played with us. He played in 5 games, after Ronnie Brown got hurt. In those 5 games he accounted for 362 yards of 56 touches. That's 6.5 yards per touch and 72.4 yards per game. I would hardly say he "basically showed nothing". Reggie Bush has averaged 70.5 yards per game in his career. If Lorenzo Booker "basically showed nothing" then so has Reggie Bush.

    3. The Eagles had Brian Westbrook in 2008 and 2009, and they had LeSean McCoy in 2009. They didn't have use for the kind of player Lorenzo Booker is. I can't blame them. They wouldn't have had use for the kind of player Reggie Bush is, either.

    4. Yes I believe not only the name but the contract carries weight. The name means his contract would have to be sizable. His contract being sizable, depending on the guaranteed money involved, means that cutting him would be more difficult to justify.
     
  15. Paul 13

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    1. Opportunities are a function of showing it in trainng camp / practice

    2. Why was he then relegated to the UFL?

    3. Why did they trade a 4th round pick for him in 2008? Knowing they had Westbrook on the team. Why did they then draft McCoy, a player IMO more similar to Reggie than Booker.

    4. While true, his contract is what it is. He would have been paid more on the open market, not just because of his name.
     
  16. ckparrothead

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    My point is that most NFL teams don't even have room for this kind of player, a tailback that is no good to anyone carrying the ball between the tackles, and is only good catching the ball out of the backfield. That's why you commonly see players with THIS skill set, and THESE limitations, just float down the river into the UFL. Why didn't Danny Woodhead get a chance with the Jets? They cut him. The Patriots picked him up because they knew they had use for that kind of limited skills player. And then Danny Woodhead proceeded to out-Reggie Bush the great Reggie Bush. I think Lorenzo Booker could do the same, in the right situation. That situation was not the Eagles in 2008, with Brian Westbrook healthy, or 2009 with LeSean McCoy in town. Too much of one thing, and Booker doesn't play special teams so you have trouble finding value in him if he's not playing.

    When you get right down to it, Reggie Bush is not a rare or valuable talent worth paying a lot of money for, and the fact that he's getting more per year than Ahmad Bradshaw is a farse.
     
  17. Pandarilla

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    That's a fantastic breakdown. I know you're down on Henne but you had to come away impressed with the progress he's made in the footwork dept.
     
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  18. Paul 13

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    Bradshaw getting paid what he is now with the Giants is what happens when you play games in free agency. He could have received more from us if he was really interested in playing here and not just playing the Ryan Clark card. INstead, he had no other offers and the Giants lowballed him. Because he only wanted to play for them and they knew it. We'll see this year who is underpaid, overpaid and not-gonna-be-paid. I think the Dolphins will attempt to get every cent out of their investment. And that includes using him in the Wildcat... WildBush...
     
  19. MarinePhinFan

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    If you're going to compare Reggie's CAREER with 5 games of Booker's of course they'd look similar.

    However, if you're being honest and compared each ones CAREER you'd see:

    Bush--- 4.0 ypr, 7.3 ypc, with 29 TD's (add 4 more for ST's TD's)----524 rushes, 294 catches

    Booker--- 3.6 ypr, 7.0 ypc, with 0...Z-E-R-O TD's----48 rushes, 35 catches



    Yeah...
     
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  20. ckparrothead

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    He's made some progress. But I'm not sure he's close to ever really making plays or being good under pressure. In fact he may be exposed to that this year more so than ever.

    There's always been this weird juxtaposition where Henne is not good under pressure (relative to other QBs out there), we all know it, and yet his numbers are good against the blitz. Why is that? It just seems so counter-intuitive. But one of the peculiarities of Henning's offense was the availability of extra blockers to keep Henne on his feet and give him extra time, but also to cut down on his reads. That was kind of the alarming thing when I looked into the extra blocker thing was even when we had extra blockers in and no extra pass rushers, Chad Henne seemed to do better in those situations because he had fewer reads, he looked more decisive.

    Well anyway I think we all imagine, especially with Reggie Bush in there, that the number of times that back is staying in to block is going to reduce pretty dramatically...which makes me wonder if Henne will still be relatively bad under pressure but now also be relatively bad against the blitz, while his stats against non-blitz defenses will increase.

    I'm not a big buyer on this Reggie Bush thing. I'm not going to *****foot around it. People treat him like he's Marshall Faulk. He's not. Chad Henne has never thrown to the running back, not at Michigan and not so far here in Miami. They're asking him to break new ground by throwing the ball to Bush a ton. Do you trust him to have a natural feel for the balance and the decision-making on throwing out to the receivers versus throwing to Bush out of the backfield? I don't. Especially not while still trying to get the feel for this brand new offense.

    And what kills me is they lob this grenade at Chad Henne at a time when Miami's receivers have never been better, and the brand new offense promises to bring with it route combinations and concepts that make more sense and provide bigger play opportunities.

    Receivers are guys that average 8 to 10 yards per attempt when you throw at them, if they're any good, and I think Miami's are pretty good. Last year the trio of Marshall, Bess and Hartline averaged about 7.7 yards per attempt, but I expect that to be higher in 2011 because Hartline and Marshall should be better, and (we hope) they have a more favorable offensive system for the receivers. I think Miami's receivers are going to average above 8 yards per attempt in 2011, maybe 9 yards.

    And yet, what does throwing to the back do for you? Reggie Bush over the last 3 years has averaged 6.0 yards per attempt on passes thrown his direction. And that was with Drew Brees, Sean Payton, that Saints OL and all those pass catching weapons in that wide open offense! Reggie had it about as good as he was going to have it, and yet every time they threw at him was one less time they could have been throwing at more dangerous players. So ask yourself, is it really a coincidence that the Saints offense threw for way more yards and scored way more points in games where Reggie didn't play?

    I think Reggie will have some value to the Dolphins.

    1. I think he'll have value in between the 20's and on 3rd downs as a decoy. I've seen on tape players go off running, scared of Reggie Bush because of his name value, and it does open up some things for other players. But then again, that was the Reggie Bush that had Drew Brees throwing to him. It wouldn't surprise me at all if defenders come to their senses and stop treating Bush like royalty on the field, waiting to see if Henne can use him.

    2. Where he'll really have value is in the red zone, as he's another option to hit that can score a touchdown. Some people may be satisfied if that's all he brings to the table, but not me. Miami's "red zone" problems in 2010 were a myth. The problem wasn't what they did when they got into the red zone. To some degree it was, they weren't highly efficient in there. But the real problem was they weren't GETTING to the red zone.

    Either way, I think Reggie's value to this team is very overrated.
     
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  21. ckparrothead

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    All of what you're saying about Ahmad Bradshaw is pure speculation. You have no idea who made what offers and for how much, what his real level of interest in playing for Miami was, etc. All we have is the simple fact that after a while as a free agent, he signed a deal worth $4.5 million a year. That's it. You can start supplying details to build around that, but the book would be filed in the fiction section.
     
  22. ToddsPhins

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    Nice breakdown, Chris.

    Regarding Cam, I get what you're saying and agree with the "consistency" concept; I feel the same way and by no means do I expect any rookie to have command of an offense. I judge them early on based on what I feel they're capable of when drafted. I was more referring to Cam's inconsistency with his arm (which I don't like to see from a #1 pick). I'm not holding that against him at this juncture, rather merely pointing it out.


    Regarding his feet, I think you make a great point about playing in preseason for the reasons you were drafted..... playing to your strengths.
    In Cam's instance, the exception I mentioned (Cam not using his feet) was one I didn't mind seeing b/c of his inconsistency when not allowed to run. Only a portion of his game will involve his feet; therefore IMO if he can't hone in on the rest of his game (which needs a lot of work), he's in trouble. Running & using his feet come naturally to him, so I don't see this ability disappearing if he dedicates some of this early time to becoming a more complete QB. Eventually, he'll have to be up to speed or he won't cut it in the NFL. I'd rather not prolong that process. I like the fact that he didn't attempt to take off; he stayed behind the LOS, seemed to focus on keeping his eyes down field, and was more concerned with developing his ability as a passer than becoming a running back. Personally, that's what I want to see from him right now b/c he's always going to be a threat on the run. IMO as he becomes more and more comfortable as a "passer" he can start adding in more aspects with his feet. (this is unrelated to evading pressure, moving in the pocket, or designed plays using his feet as I believe those are critical in putting him in the best position to succeed).

    IMO, while Cam is inconsistent as a passer, Carolina will have a lot of unnecessary drives that stall b/c of it along with his fundamental understanding of the game. Personally, I think it's crucial for him right now to develop that understanding, and I'm not sure he can do that if he relies on his feet every time he senses pressure or a guy is initially covered up. I'm not saying he needs to be a statue in the pocket b/c I still want to see mobility back there and I still want to see him creating plays with his feet behind the LOS, but I want to see it with the intention of buying him more time so he can make plays with his arm rather than feet.

    Now, for Ponder, I think he absolutely applies to your belief about playing him right away for the reasons you drafted him. IMO Gabbert & Locker are in between Ponder & Newton. And Mallett is doing what Raf & I thought he'd be doing----- looking great when having time to throw, and he looks great with talent around him that trumps virtually everything the Jags defense has on the field. That's what I expect from Mallett under those circumstances. When Henne has the field spread out with great time to throw, he picks defenses apart with equal impressiveness, but we all know he wont have that luxury every week. I want to see Mallett under pressure, b/c a few times this occurred vs Jax, he lost his accuracy or *possibly* had compromised decision making.
     
  23. ToddsPhins

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    I seem to recall Saint fans saying the dynamics of their offense changes when Reggie is not in the game. They've said that, even though he doesn't post crazy numbers, his presence on the field is a great benefit to the rest of the offense...... and they've also said he played a bigger role in Brees's success than people realized.

    If utilized properly, I tend to agree..... and if he plays like he did in the 2010 playoffs vs Zona & Minne, he could be a GREAT player IMO.

    If we're getting the harder-running Reggie from this video (Zona playoff game), then he is NOT "Freddy Poon", and there is no mistaking him from Lorenzo Booker. Booker looked very good in a preseason game; Bush is an impact player capable of lighting up a playoff team.

    [video=youtube;zB7zUoAzDNw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB7zUoAzDNw[/video]
     
  24. ckparrothead

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    I didn't realize the official explanation on Mallett's performance had changed to pointing toward Stevan Ridley, Richard Medlin, Taylor Price, Buddy Farnham, Darenell Jenkins, Jeremy Ross, Lee Smith, Will Yeatman, Mark Levoir, Thomas Austin, Steve Maneri, John Compas and Mark Wetterer being All Pros compared with the Jaguars' 2nd and 3rd stringers. I guess I missed that memo.

    I saw him pressured four times. The first time he ducked it and immediately found his outlet for a nice pass. The second time he sensed it before he even set up in the pocket and scrambled out to the right side, making a great decision to throw for it all to a guy that had a step in the end zone. His accuracy failed him on the deep ball, though. The third time he was pressured, he again made the right throw to the deep receiver in single coverage, but he led him a little too much. The inside placement was savvy, made it so that only the receiver was going to get that if anyone did. The fourth time he was pressured he again made a good decision to hit Ridley as his outlet. Ball was right on target in tight coverage but slipped right through Ridley's hands.

    Being pressured 4 times on 20 dropbacks isn't exactly what I'd call "no pressure". That percentage is only a little below Peyton Manning's in 2010 and I wouldn't exactly say he had stellar line play out of Ryan Diem, Charlie Johnson, Kyle DeVan and Mike Pollak. I think Mallett himself would take the fact that he had 4 pressures on 20 attempts as a compliment, because it means he made the right adjustments and got the team into the right plays, and had a grasp on what was coming defensively so that he could get the ball out before it came to getting pressured.
     
  25. NJFINSFAN1

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    Reports up hear were he got less from the Giants than some offers he got elsewhere, but it seems he was trying to get into bidding wars and misjudged the market and teams went with other players.
     
  26. ToddsPhins

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    I'm not knocking him for it; I thought he did a great job, but that doesn't mean I can't keep it in context. There's a difference playing in the Pat's 2nd string offense against Jax than there is in Zona's 2nd string offense going against the Steelers. That doesn't mean he didn't play well.

    I don't think he looked terrible against pressure; I don't think he looked good either. The point being, even though he faced slightly less pressure than Manning (as you say), he only faced it for 2 quarters, and we all know it's a 4 quarter game. In the past, Henne has looked phenomenal for 3 quarters and then fallen apart in another. Again, not bashing on Mallett, only saying I want to see that he can do it for an entire game w/o a costly mistake. Solid start for him though IMO.
     
  27. ckparrothead

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    Fair enough. But I do think it's an awfully big assumption to sat that cast of characters, most of them who will not make the team, are better than the Jaguars' backups. I think that's an assumption based on not a lot. There are actually some guys out there for the Jags like Austen Lane, Jeremy Mincey, Marc Schiechl, D'Anthony Smith, Scott Lutrus, Gerris Wilkinson, Michael Hamlin, Coutrney Greene, etc...that might be able to play a little ball. I had a lot of guys among the Jags backups that I flagged for watching and not a lot of guys on the Pats backups.

    But yes I hear you on the 4 quarters thing. That's definitely a must before you start to judge anything. I just didn't like the two assumptions made that were used to put his play into "context"...bad assumptions, IMO.
     
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    I agree with you. The Jags have some young guys with potential; unfortunately that didn't prevent Ryan from having pretty good protection. As far as receiving targets go, Price was a problem for the Jags' first team defense. That's not an excuse against Ryan b/c he still has to do his job and get them the ball. I just feel guys like Price & Ridley help to better put a QB in a position to succeed. Nothing wrong with that.

    Basically, Ryan has succeeded in situations that I expected him to succeed in, and he hasn't been in enough of the situations that I had question marks about to satisfy those concerns (which was the main reason for my in context statement). I do like the fact that (for one play) he had the awareness to pick up some yards with his feet (needs to get his butt down better though. lol).
     
  29. ckparrothead

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    That was kind of brand new. It wasn't pressure either. It was the coverage. He read the coverage, there was nothing he liked, and he cut and ran. I think a lot of the reason he never did that in college is because he didn't want to and Petrino never asked him to. He had it in his mind what kind of player he wanted to be, and Petrino let him get away with that. In New England, they don't coach Brady to do that, but they DID coach Matt Cassel to do it. So maybe he's getting the Cassel treatment.

    I just thought he was really on top of things in that game. Even when he was pressured, I loved the decision-making, staying aggressive, challenging the one on one coverage. His awareness of the situation was good. He didn't take those shots at times when it didn't make sense to do so. When he needed conversions, he shot for conversions.

    Biggest problem was deep accuracy, which wasn't much of an issue for him in college, and so I think it's a matter of getting his chemistry with the receivers. The pressured deep balls he threw to Darnell Jenkins and Jeremy Ross. The chemistry just wasn't there. He threw another to Taylor Price who was too well covered in man.

    Otherwise he showed much of what he did in college where he was a mega producer and won a lot of games. I'd like to see him handle a bump up in class on the pass rush, and a full 4 quarters. I don't expect him to handle that as a rookie the way he will as a second year, though.
     
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    Added, I thought he did a pretty solid job of mixing in "taking what the Jags defense was giving him" along with some aggressive shots down field. For his 1st game, there's nothing I can really nitpick on based on what I thought he would look like in the situations he faced.
     
  31. ckparrothead

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    The Buccaneers are going to be on him tonight though. He's going to have to stay more patient than he was against Jacksonville with those deep shots. And he's going to have to watch out for those linebackers because Dekoda Watson is really buzzing right now. He made a nice play in the training camp I saw, picking off Josh Freeman and returning it for six points. He made plays against the Chiefs too.

    Should be a good game tonight, it'll be on local channels so I'll be watching. I'm as intrigued by some of the Bucs players as I am anyone on the Patriots, too.

    In fact I'm gonna call a pick-6 tonight on Mallett and us Mallettheads are gonna come crashing back to earth on him (temporarily).
     
  32. Pandarilla

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    I don't know, but I'd temper your opinion a bit before we even get to see Reggie suit up. Marshall Faulk had a similar path as Bush, though. Overhyped when coming into the league, but man was he special in a Ram's uni. He's obviously talented. You just never know until the right situation presents itself.

    I somewhat agree with you on Booker. However, when he made someone miss it was spectacular but not nearly as efficient as Bush. Meaning it tended to make it easier for the defense to catch up. He was really fun to watch.

    Also, I believe the stats show that Henne is above average against the blitz. I just think it's way too early to tell. We'll have a much better idea by the last preseason game. He sure wasn't as stiff as we're used to is what I came away with.
     
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    Marshall Faulk was special in a Colts uniform before ever he was special in a Rams uniform, though. He ran for 5000+ yards and 41 TDs as a Colt in 5 years. And Marshall never got to enjoy the Peyton Manning we know and love today. The only time he had him, Peyton was a rookie throwing a ton of interceptions and leading them to a 3-13 record. Hey, if that's what Reggie is, and that's what he becomes...then shut my mouth. My bad. I'll shut up. I just don't think that's what he is. I don't think it was a coincidence that between Deuce McAllister, Aaron Stecker, Pierre Thomas, Mike Bell, Julius Jones, Ladell Betts and Chris Ivory, they kept finding guys they liked to take carries more than they liked Reggie Bush to take them.

    I think the Henne stats against the blitz are going to turn upside down. I think they were a function of Dan Henning's offense. In the new offense I think his rating against non-blitz will go up, and his rating against blitz will go down, just my opinion.
     
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    please don't mention Dekoda. I was really bummed we didn't draft him. Call me crazy, but I thought he was a kid who could've been groomed in time to be a dangerous 34 pass rusher.
     
  35. ckparrothead

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    Oh man I loved Dekoda Watson. But as a 3-4 OLB? Not sure about that. In the end I think he's good just where he is.
     
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    I *so* called that ****.
     
  37. Da 'Fins

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    Obviously, the bottom line is the regular season. But, preseason does matter. As much as people hate the Pats and BB and offer hopeful articles defending their demise - they look two months ahead of other teams. Does anyone think the Pats offense won't be ready to be great this year? How a QB looks - not just the raw stats - how fast they play, how sharp their throws are, how good their form is, how much poise they show, etc. all says a great deal about the QB. Still waiting to see Henne play with the energy, speed, confidence, and poise that a Brees, Brady, and others show. Not that he can perform at their level all the time, but at least some of the time, or to a larger degree than the past, he has to begin to show this. Still waiting ...
     
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