Ten Thoughts on First Half of Panthers Preseason Game

My take is he looked fine, missed some throws, made some throws, liked his improved footwork, and iirc Henne always does well in preseason gm #2, it is #3 that gives him all sort of problems the last 2 preseasons, playing in a monsoon both yrs does not help, but still that is supposed to be the tune up game for the regular season, and the Bucs will have a chip on their shoulders after the Patsies lambasted them this week.

 

Because it was clearly on Fasano and not anything Henne did?

Either way, to hit a guy for what MIGHT have happened instead of what did happen is a bit much.

 

Then it becomes the "what if" game. What if Sean Smith could catch? How many pick 6's could SS have if he knew how to catch?

 

but if you calculate these numbers that he has, the rating of 71.2 is correct

 

Hmm, then why does NFL.com have him averaging right around 85%?

 

Sorry, I don't buy the fact you can be having a sub-mediocre night and one pass and one scramble makes it a good night. Two plays don't change it that much, it may help the sting if your having a bad night, but thats it.

 

Let me get this straight, Henne takes the blame for both what did happen, and what did not happen in your view?

I'm not a huge Henne guy, that is an interesting notion.

 

Why does NFL.com have him at 83.9 and 87.8 for the two games?

 

I see, Fasano messes up=Henne messed up Defender drops an int=Henne's fault as well?

 

What about the first drive.... On 3rd and 9 he ran for the first down and had it called back on a penalty by Murtha. Suddenly 3rd and 19. Not a good situation for any offense to convert. He throws a 15 yard pass to Fasano in the middle of the field and Fasano immediately tackled. We had to punt. You blaming Henne for that set of plays? We were moving the ball and he moved the sticks with the run. That part of your mediocre grade?

 

CK were you watching a stream?? Because pouncy and actually everyone looked very skinny on the stream but the I got a look at them a few times on NFL network and they looked much bigger ie normal.

 

That's Dan Griese's math......

 

It was mentioned that was not the proper throw to make, Bess was open a bit deeper down the field.

Henne cannot win inow.

 

QBR has different weights attached to different plays, longer passing plays and YPA count more heavily.

 

i have no idea, but we'll find out over the next weeks for sure

 

Oh good God it was 3rd and 19 for Christ sake.
The haters be smoking the bong.

 

The thing I liked most about Henne was the fact that he led our offense down the field for two touchdown drives. He didn't throw the balls into the endzone himself, but when you lead your team inside the 10 and they score... I don't care if he's the one directly putting it in the endzone or not, that's a good thing.

We put the ball in the endzone twice and chipped in an extra three points when Henne was on the field. Sure he turned the ball over on downs, but let's be honest... in the regular season we probably wouldn't have even went for it on forth down.

There are things that Henne did wrong where you could really nitpick if you wanted to, but he played well. His passes were on target and he looked much quicker. He looked more like a leader than he did all of last year.

Had Henne thrown one of those touchdowns instead of running the ball in with Hilliard or Thomas, his QBR would be over 100. So I fail to see how the QBR argument even holds water.

 

I guess by his logic a kicker can miss a couple FG's, and still have a good night by kicking a 50 yd game winner.

 

I could be wrong but that "dropped pick" to Thomas had a very very slim chance of being a pick. I'd like to watch it again but the defender didn't seem to be in any position to do anything but knock it down.

Also it seems to me that Hennes' slimmed down this year and is sensing the pressure a lot better. CK isn't that something you've been wanting from him?

 

Maybe you need to re-read my posts. I never said anything about two plays winning or losing a game.

 

In going back and watching some 2010 highlights I think we were overrating that early 2010 line in pass blocking quite a bit. The reason we're probably so harsh on the OL now is that we're finally seeing what it looks like when we're not keeping seven guys in to block.

 

Almost always on 3-19, your only looking to add yards to your upcoming punt and in this case we added 15 yards to our punt. He didn't take a sack or turnover the ball, so there was nothing wrong with that pass.

 

Pardon me dude....but....I had the same question. NFL.com most certainly has him at 83.9 the first game...and 87.8 for the second. Why be condescending......its not like its a stupid question?

Your compiling all of his stats....from both games together. They average both QBR ratings. Or at least thats what I thought. Its a good question.....who knows how they compile the damned number

 

This cliche has long since worn out its welcome. Who continuously expects Dan Marino? I've never heard or read anything along the lines of "Well, this year's QB isn't Dan Marino, time to start over again." No one is holding AJ Feeley or John Beck up to Dan Marino's standards, they're holding them up to contemporary NFL QB standards and finding them lacking… because they are.

Chad Henne is a career 75 passer rating QB in an era where the rules are so imbalanced in favor of offense that an obscene amount of QBs have exceeded a 90 passer rating on an annual basis. It's not just the Tom Bradys and the Peyton Mannings, it's the Matt Schaubs and the Tony Romos responsible for that curve-bending. Henne can't break into the 80s when you have QBs on playoff teams breaking 95-100? Come on.

Dan Marino has nothing to do with the almost insultingly bad line of quarterbacks this franchise has trotted out over the last decade, and no one said Chad Pennington's 2008 wasn't satisfactory because he couldn't sling it deep like Dan did. Quite the contrary: who here wasn't happy with the quarterback play we had in 2008? Everyone loved our QB play in 2008, and Pennington used to be a freaking New York Jet!

Dan Marino is definitely a tough act to follow, but Chad Henne isn't following Dan Marino's act. He's following Chad Pennington's act, who followed John Beck's act, who followed Cleo Lemon's act, who followed Daunte Culpepper's act, who followed Sage Rosenfels' act, who followed Gus Frerotte's act, who followed AJ Feeley's act, who followed Ray Lucas' act… etc.

Getting really tired of the Patience Brigade (thanks, Schmolioot) claiming unrealistic standards on the part of those who are pessimistic with Henne. It's just the opposite.

NFL.com does not average both passer ratings. (And let's finally put this one to bed: it's called passer rating, not quarterback rating. Quarterback rating is an unofficial name for the stat officially referred to as passer rating. ESPN has now co-opted the "quarterback rating" name for use in its new stat, which NFL.com does not list. So let's all just be accurate and refer to it as passer rating, because that's what it's called.)

All you have to do is click the More button on Henne's NFL.com profile page, and you're greeted with this, a page where Henne's combined passer rating for two preseason games is… 71.2. Why is it 71.2? Because it is not correct to take the average of his passer ratings from both games (which is what padre and you are doing). You must take the raw data—the attempts, completions, passing yards, TDs, and INTs—and plug them in as one singular large calculation. Then you, as NFL.com has, will arrive at the correct passer rating for multiple games.

Taking 83.9, adding 87.8, and dividing by 2 is not the correct method of calculating Henne's passer rating over two games. Instead, you go to a passer rating calculator, plug in 19 completions (4 + 15), 32 attempts (8 + 24), 271 yards (77 + 194), 1 TD (0 + 1), and 2 INTs (2 + 0) and you wind up with… 71.2.

 

I thought Henne was pretty good. He looked under control and accurate. Taking what he had, no bone head decisions. He looks MUCH more athletic to me right now, he has quicker feet. To me it's not about "what he could have done, the throws he could have made" it's about what he did, which was lead the team and not turn the ball over.

Reggie Bush looked fantastic. Explosiveness on offense, what a concept. I've never been a fan, always thought he was too brittle and overrated. The fact he is brittle has not changed because we are 2 preseason games into the season. He brings an element to the offense we have not had in a long time, he is a walking mismatch. We must keep him healthy and Daboll must continue to work for the mismatch when team adjust. He could be Chad Henne's best friend with those short little dump offs that pick up chunks of yardage. All that is the reason I think Daniel Thomas is the key to this offense this year as much as anyone. We have to be able to trust him to do the heavy lifting to keep Reggie fresh. If Thomas shows nothing and Reggis is overused then he'll get hurt and our offense will lose it's explosiveness.

I'm worried about our pass rush.

I'm REALLY worried about Jake Long.

 

Let's see: almost 200 yards passing in the half, two touchdown drives, a field goal drive and no interceptions. And before a very good, heady throw to Fasano his performance wasn't even mediocre? Just to refresh you on the math, 156 yards passing in one half of football is, by all accounts that I'm aware of, a pretty darned good half of passing the football. If you doubled it that becomes 312 yards for a whole game. And Henne's actual 194 yards in the half, if doubled, would be 388 yards for the game. And that's pretty good, isn't it? No interceptions is pretty darned good. Leading your team on 2 TD drives and a Field Goal drive is pretty darned good. A 17-0 lead at the half is pretty darned good when you contributed significantly to that lead.. And yet, in your Malletized bitterness, you can't even give Henne a tip of your cap, a ""nice job".

And that is ridiculous. If Kyle Orton had been traded to the Dolphins and had that kind of a half of football you might have peed and pooped yourself at the same time. If it were Mallett- those two and add a wet dream. Your analysis has become so negatively biased it's a joke- I'll confess, I actually read it for laughs. It wasn't my intent at the beginning of this thread, but sure enough, there you go right down the hole into some bitter pit of foresaken spite. Dude, give it a rest. Either that or become a Patriots or Jets fan, whatever's easier.

 

poty!

 

ok arguing someones opinion get nowhere.

I thought Henne played well, much imporoved over week 1, no not perfect, but much better and progressed. He showed poise under pressure, escaped trouble and made plays, more than 1 time. If you want to find fault, you will find fault (NOT A SHOT, it is just if you r expectations are here and he doesnt reach them IYO then you will find fault). He wasnt perfect. Henne was not surgeon like, but he was solid and lead the offense to 17 points. he made 3rd and long passes like the one to Bess.

It is what it is, it was 1 very good week, some will grade it higher, some lower, but it seems right now the team is behind him. But it was `1 week, and it will take more than 1 game to win people over, a preseason game at that. but it was better than teh alternative of him under 60% and 2 picks again

 

I totally agree.

 

It does though. Just like in the first game the combined QBR for Henne and Moore was lower than either one individually. Weird, I know.