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Dolphins sign RB Larry Johnson

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Muck, Aug 23, 2011.

  1. Alex13

    Alex13 Tua Time !!! Club Member

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    all from Ken LaVicka´s Twitter

     
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  2. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    Walter payton :shifty:
     
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  3. Stringer Bell

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    Is a team's 3rd or 4th RB going to have any impact on being nationally televised?
     
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  4. Alex13

    Alex13 Tua Time !!! Club Member

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    in a matter of hours after FA opened that year
     
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  5. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    Yah we signed no top tier FA's.....if you happen to ignore the $10 million signing bonus to Burnett. Or the Bush trade which he could have easily stopped by not agreeing to a new contract. Or you can keep pointing to Bradshaw with his medical red flags and the clear fact he wanted to stay in NY. Or ignoring the fact that players go where the money is regardless of the state of a team.

    Seriously folks...he's a bottom tier long shot who will probably be cut and replaced once the mass cut downs start and other Rb's become available. Were talking our #4 RB here after Thomas/Bush and Hilliard. Same reaction here that folks had over Charles Grant and how did that end up mattering in the end? Right...it didn't matter one goddamn bit.
     
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  6. PhinGeneral

    PhinGeneral PC Texas A&M, Bro Club Member

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    I agree it's nothing to get worked up over, and perhaps there's a slight chance that he may at least resemble his old self, which is something they may not have seen possible with an overweight Portis.

    I'm curious though, if we'll hear the "I've watched the films" line from Sparano when the media gets the opportunity to ask him about the signing.
     
  7. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    I see a few people that are trying pretty hard to degenerate the discussion back to the same level of bickering, baiting and personal attacks that led Muck to give out his Notice. It's a shame, because for a short while after Muck gave that notice, I felt like the board was really back to the way it should be. Perhaps it still is, and the Mods will make sure it's just a bare few troublemakers trying to make trouble, and they can nip it in the bud. Hopefully that is what happens.
     
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  8. Bpk

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    Look we can keep talking about it that way, but team's 3rd and 4th RBs do not usually have this type of name recognition nor history.

    This is not a normal 3rd/4th RB signing situation in that when peope hear "Larry Johnson to Miami" they won't say "Who's Larry Johnson?"

    Maybe I'm wrong.

    And like I said, isolated this isn't a big deal. It's just one of a litany of things that I don;t think incrementally increase the franchise's percetion as one people respect a lot or look up to. We look like dumpster divers on stuff like this.

    The truly weird thing is, if the Pats did this, the media would assume Belichick is a genius, has 'seen something there' in Johnson and that Johnson will have a pro-bowl year.

    It all comes to to the context in which it's happening, which is to a franchise with a poor public perception. Again, I'm not arguing against the football side of the move at all (hell, as long as you pay him very little and he looks good there is little donwside... in football terms).
     
  9. Alex13

    Alex13 Tua Time !!! Club Member

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    yeah and its because we signed freakin Larry Johnson....i don´t know what happens if something with significance occurs
     
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  10. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    The Pats already did this with over the hill Chad. Hell Bill has done this a lot with poor results a lot of the time.
     
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  11. MikeHoncho

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    Hey, I figure we might as well just go beyond the grave in our search for a #3.
     
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  12. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    CK, you are talking about the #2 TE and the #3 RB. We aren't talking about starters. We are talking about depth players that don't even see the field much. I personally feel it is a stretch to complain about foresight when you are talking about churning the bottom of the roster...
     
  13. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    Agreed. You would think this lesson would have been learned last offseason with all the angst and how "crappy" this team was because we let go of Charles Grant. How Ross was in financial trouble...how this team couldn't be taken seriously etc etc. Did Grant make one impact anywhere last season? Nope.
     
  14. ckparrothead

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    You bring up a good point. If something as relatively small and insignificant as the signing of Larry Johnson brings back the same bickering, baiting and personal atacks...then it makes you wonder if we have made any progress since my Ten Thoughts thread got de-railed and closed down.
     
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  15. schmolioot

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    Wait until Chad Henne tosses 3 TD's in a game or 3 INTs in a game.
     
  16. Alex13

    Alex13 Tua Time !!! Club Member

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    i agree to a point, but the #2 TE spot at the moment is diaster, what happens if fasano...don´t write it you know what i mean, the 2nd TE spot could be in much better shape, maybe they thought clay could do it, will hold my judgement though until the 53 are set, they apparently have merling on the block, which by the way is something that OK just threw at the wall and so far i think it has stuck
     
  17. Alex13

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  18. Gitrdone

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    Ronnie Brown signed what a 1 year, 1 million dollar deal? Some here said he was looking for a payday. The guy is all heart and wants to win, money was not his issue. He woulda been better then Lex, Nic, LJ and sheets combined. And before people comment on his durability, what say you Reggie Bush?
     
  19. ckparrothead

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    The #2 Tight End is a pseudo-starter's position. On defense a guy that is a "starter" commonly playes only 500 or 600 snaps. The #2 Tight End in an offense also commonly plays that many snaps. I believe Joey Haynos had like 500 or 600 snaps in 2009.

    I don't agree with your implication that we're talking about totally insignificant positions, as if it's totally OK if they were afterthoughts or low/no-priority considerations when they developed whatever plan they've been running with during the off season.

    My point was that nothing unexpected happened, no unexpected injuries, no suspensions or arrests, no guys playing way way worse than you'd have thought...and yet they're still left scrambling. That to me is the sign of bad planning.
     
  20. Alex13

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  21. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    Ronnie had multiple offers, but took less to play in Philly...
     
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  22. ckparrothead

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    yikes!!
     
  23. Bpk

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    True, but we also don't know if he mightn't have contributed here. All guesswork.

    But clearly he did not go elsewhere and make us regret cutting him.

    And I was one of the ones complaining loudly about that cut last year.
     
  24. Alex13

    Alex13 Tua Time !!! Club Member

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    "we just brought a guy in to give him an opportunity, like with every player, we´ll see were we are in 2 weeks"

    this is kind of what sparano said about the LJ signing, also says starters play into the 3rd quarter, if unit plays significant number of plays he will reconsider, hopes its not the defense :lol:
     
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  25. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Jumping in this one late (well, it was started this morning and took off like a wildfire). I know Larry Johnson was a BEAST in Kansas City when they had a decent offensive line. Don't know how much he has left in the tank, but if he still has it...and our offensive line holds, this COULD be a good move for Miami.

    Keep your fingers crossed! :up:
     
  26. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    Granted it would be nice if someone would step up at the #2 spot, but I don't want to see this team blowing a 3rd round pick or spending $4 million a year (as some have suggested with the TE who signed in Oakland) for a #2 TE who may not end up on the field much in this offense. Honestly unless it's a short yardage situation I don't want to see less then 3 WR's on the field when you consider where the talent on this team lays.

    Al13 that was hilarious by the way :lol: At least that's understandable though..that's our starting QB.
     
  27. Bpk

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    Agree re planning, but regarding the #2 TE, I have to think it'll see far fewer snaps in Daboll's spread than Henning's full backfield 2TE-lovin' approach. I expect to see #3 and #4WR taking snaps from #2TE position.

    Your point stands, however, that it's still very importnat. Especially in critical circumstances like 4th and short and goalline.
     
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  28. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    Well, we dont know that either. Maybe they were thinking some of these guys were going to perform better than they have, and after a few weeks of practice determined that they wont be the answer. As far as the #2 TE being a psuedo starter, I'm not sure how much action our #2 TE is going to get in this new offense as compared to previous seasons. Daboll's scheme seems to use a lot of WRs vs the 2 TE model...

    And I do feel those positions are pretty insignificant relative to most other positions. I mean, you are talking about bottom of the roster players. Sure, there is significance to every position... but in terms of priorities, I'd put many positions ahead of it... as well as depth at said positions.
     
  29. MrClean

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    Besides Burnett, I think most of us were pleasantly surprised when Tony McDaniel quickly resigned with Miami. Here we had a young, talented, starting quality 3-4 DE, who could also play DT in a 4-3 and should have been able to do better than what we paid him if money was all he was looking for. He was rated the 13th out of 42 3-4 DEs by PFF last season. How many of us can honestly say they expected Tony McD to resign? If Miami was such an awful situation for free agents, why did Incognito resign for 3 yrs/ 9mil before the lockout? He had a good year in 2010, repaired his reputation as a hothead and surely could have done better had he waited til the new CBA was finalized. PFF rated him the 8th best LG last season. Maybe that's why the coaches weren't in an all fired hurry to move him to RG this season? Did they see the same thing as PFF did?
     
  30. Alex13

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    yeah that must be the only logical thing behind this
     
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  31. Gitrdone

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    And that is my point, many here figured he would want 5m per. I bet he would have come back for 2 mil. He wanted to win, so he took a small one year deal for a chance at a ring.
     
  32. Bpk

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    great points. That said, I think people inside the Phins locker room love the phins (and sparano). It's outside of miami that perception (misperception?) gets dicier.
     
  33. VanDolPhan

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    I surely didn't expect to see McDaniel re-signed. I believe I stated a lot that he wouldn't be back. As far as Incognito I was surprised where he landed on PFF....I guess I have been underestimating his ability here. But then I haven't liked a guard here since Jamie Nails. Although I do have an underdog soft spot for Nate Garner.
     
  34. Dolphins1Beatles

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    Wish they would've signed Ricky. Don't care what he said after the NE game, at least he was honest and later apologized.
     
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  35. Alex13

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    at some point you gotta move on, it was time for a fresh start and i for myself been happy with the new faces at the RB postition
     
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  36. ckparrothead

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    You're right, I should have said "no guys playing way way worse than a reasonable person would have thought." But that was kind of my point. Unreasonable expectations lead to inevitable disappointment and scrambling last minute to fix problems you hadn't anticipated.

    Last year the Browns had 975 snaps on offense. There were 1453 snaps given to Tight Ends. That left a minimum of 478 snaps for backup Tight Ends, though in actuality those backups took 521 snaps because it would be unreasonable to expect #1 Tight End Ben Watson to play every single play without ever taking a blow. Regardless, that ratio (1.49 Tight Ends per snap) was significantly higher in Cleveland than in Miami in 2010 (1.14 TEs per snap).

    We're talking about players that suit up, are active on game days, that get out there on the field, and even handle the ball. That makes them significant. When one failed block can be (and often is) the difference between a successful run or pass play, and an unsuccessful one...you can't tell me that guys that log literally hundreds of snaps on the field should just be afterthoughts. Is Paul Soliai's position an afterthought? Is Benny Sapp's?
     
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  37. MrClean

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    While I agree the #2 TE is a pseudo starter, sort of like a nickel back, we did have 5 defensive players with over 800 snaps last season and 3 more with at least 750. So when 8 of 11 possible starters play that often, I would not consider it common for defensive starters, in our case anyway, to have 500-600 snaps only. Benny Sapp though did get over 600 snaps as mainly the nickel back and Tony McDaniel had over 500 as the 3rd DE and only 1 start.

    Haynos did have 588 snaps in 2009 and our reserve TEs in 2010 combined for only 350. Fasano's snaps were consistent, 900 and 894. So we were limited in our ability to use the 2 TE offense in 2010 and perhaps that had a negative effect on our running attack.

    The last paragraph I totally agree. No reason why we should just now be finally looking for a proven veteran backup RB or a viable #2 TE.
     
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  38. Darrelle Revis

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    I'm definitely taking this guy in fantasy.
     
  39. Abbi Normal

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    I want to believe their is a method in their decisions but ?????

    They consistently pass up quality players and paint themselves into a corner before they realize what they have done, then scamper off to fill their needs with the scrapes left over by the rest of the league....it's a pattern...

    If Thomas doesn't achieve adequate success for whatever reason, the squirming will start and we will be all out to fill that critical position with leftovers and we wonder why we are where we are....God I hope I'm wrong but it's there to be seen Again................
     
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