What I was trying to say with the "commonly" thing was just that every year there are usually multiple guys on defense that are "starters" but really only play 500 or 600 snaps. That to me makes it a common occurrance.
Last season, Ben Watson had 932 snaps as Cleveland's #1 TE and the backups combined for 521 snaps. A lot more than our backup TEs were used last season, but not as much as Joey Haynos was in 2009. Haynos had 588 snaps and Sperry had 115. A total of 703 snaps for our backup TEs in 2009
Your statement contradicts itself. He wanted to win a Super Bowl and took less to play in Philly b/c of it... but you think he would have come back to the Fins (who aren't Super Bowl contenders) for only 2mil?
One reason is because Hilliard is one of better players covering punts and kickoffs. So far in preseason, seems like #26 is in on the tackle at least half the time. I cannot recall Sheets covering either, though he may have been. I saw Grigsby make a couple of nice plays on coverage units too, and that to me would have increased his chances to be the 4th RB over Sheets.
Hm. Good info. So why did our TE usage drop from 2009 to 2010, you think? I'm guessing an ineffective running game meant more passing downs.
I just dont understand how a thread on a 3rd string RB generates 9 pages worth of discussion... and a thread on our 2 young stud STARTING corners only gets 6 total responses... Flat out... people dont even want to talk about positive things around this team. And there are plenty of positive things about this team...
Combination of reasons but the biggest one was Brandon Marshall. In 2009 they're working with Ted Ginn, Davone Bess, Brian Hartline and Greg Camarillo. Collectively there's less reason to make sure any/all of those guys get on the field on any given snap, than a situation where you have Brandon Marshall who should be on the field every snap possible, PLUS those other guys you had before (Bess and Hartline). And on the other side of the coin, as ho-hum as Joey Haynos was...the trio of terror between Shuler, Mastrud and Epps were way worse.
It has nothing to do with not wanting to discuss positives. What exactly is there to discuss about Smith and Davis? We all agree they are good and that if they came down with interceptions they'd be even better. That about sums it up. It's alot easier to fill 9 pages discussing an unknown or a decision that hasn't played out yet.
You're entitled to your opinion of course, but I disagree. We're currently discussing a new development. The thread about Sean Smith and Vontae Davis didn't really involve anything new. Both guys have been here for a few years and everyone already expects them to continue improving. This is a new signing of a guy whose name carries a high Q score, and since it comes the day after a similar new development sparked a similarly long discussion, and since the two developments share some commonalities, the two issues have spilled over into one another. Signing a Larry Johnson at this juncture was always destined to produce a long discussion whether fans are positive or negative about the team.
How about grading their performances during the preseason so far? They are both far from perfect, so why not discuss areas that they need to improve on and if they are showing signs so far of improving in those areas? What about other positive topics that are more "new" and have more to discuss then? How about Reggie and his impact on the offense and how we are using him? How about our new offensive scheme that seems to be attacking all areas of the field and no longer using the concepts that fustrated us for multiple years? All positives, and "new" with plenty of discussion to be had. Bush didnt even get a thread started about him from what I've seen, and the thread about our new offensive concepts got 2 pages, or about 20% of what this thread is generating...
I would expect perhaps even less usage of the #2 TE this year with Clay in the picture at H-Back, FB usage to drop off a cliff, and the 3 WR/1TE to be the base formation. That doesn't change the fact that over 16 games, you have the choice of putting out total crap on the field or you can put at least a good blocker or red zone threat out there. My expectation is that's the type of player they need if they don't want to go with a seam-stretcher. Maretellus Bennett would be fantastic with his blocking and height in the red zone. I think we tend to underestimate efficiency in the red zone. If you don't have that (Larry Johnson signing?) then you're possibly leaving a win or perhaps even two wins on the field for the season. Epps won't cut it in the red zone. Hartline's not much of a weapon in the red zone. I'd like to have a package of players like Wallace, Marshall, 2 TEs, and perhaps even Larry Johnson in the red zone.
This is hardly a big deal. We didn't give up much to get him and we have a young and inexperienced stable of RBs. Having a vet like Johnson, whom has been successful, can only help out our younger guys. He can help with teaching them certain subtleties of the position and what it takes to be successful while he provides some depth in case someone gets hurt and to maybe rotate just to keep everyone fresh. I'm sure they just weren't ready to put all of their eggs into the rookie basket of a D. Thomas, etc. Not a big deal at all.
I counted 2225 WR snaps in 2009 and 2459 WR snaps in 2010 Also the offense had 1147 total snaps in 2009 and 1093 in 2010.
I'm really not sure what Roberto Wallace has ever done on the football field to make us think he'd be good at anything in particular. To me he's the new Brandon London. You hear about him in practice, but you hardly ever see him during the game.
eh. Larry Johnson was a product of the Chiefs system. the O-line and the blocking..... Johnson only had like 2 good years, got a huge contract, then became a bum afterwards. He also lacks some fundamentals that all running backs should have, such as routinely forgetting to switch the football to his other arm when running up a sideline. I guess it's a low risk, average reward situation though. No big deal.
There has been plenty of discussion on Reggie Bush and the role he might play. It seems to me there have been many threads about him. There has also been plenty of discussion about the new offense. Whether one particular thread got alot of run is neither here nor there.
London did not play with much quickness, burst or really speed, even though he tested well, though. Whereas Wallace has very good physical skills and flashes the ability to use them on the field (I've been to practice and seen it for myself). The problem is Wallace can't get off the jam so the opportunities to get him on the field are limited to times when Brandon Marshall is out because that's the only position he can play. The guy playing Hartline's spot needs to be quicker off the snap.
London's physical skills were pretty good too. I don't Wallace can run routes as well as Moore. Was Larry Johnson at any point a particularly good red zone back or is he literally just a washed up woman beater?
Yeah I thought Brandon London's physical skills were pretty good...big, strong guy with a lot of speed.
It is a challenge to sound tough or grimacing en francais though ... an alouette is a skylark I believe , there is a popular children's song we all learned in school decades ago about Alouettes . Not as tough as a Bomber !
I was just scanning thread topics. But I didnt see one about Bush since his first action with the team. May have been discussed in other threads. And whether one particular topic got a lot of run is exactly what I was talking about. Its all good. Dont want to derail this topic. Just find it interesting, thats all...
Yeah, we learned that song as kids too. I think my mom, being Canadian, may have taught me. Blue Bombers definitely got it for tough sounding name. [video=youtube;gLs_CABx-Sc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLs_CABx-Sc[/video]
ochocinco...randy moss..corey dillon...sometimes you take a shot on a vet with a troubled past who is talented for a 3rd string position..
Moss was in his prime when he was traded to NE. Dillon and Ocho had been productive the season before NE traded for them. LJ hasn't been productive in 3 years and carried the ball all of 5 times last season. This signing is nothing like those. It frankly seems like a waste to me as at least Sheets had some mild potential. but, it is much ado about nothing.
If folks keeping taking shots about the character of the team or coaches before they see things transpire than expect to get a taste of your own medicine.
Eh, not in love with this move Deej, but it does make some sense to add a power back, think he also can help DThomas a bit.
Several posts in this thread have basically ignored Muck's sticky about respecting fellow posters. ENOUGH! Stay on topic. Quit with the baiting and backhanded insults. No more "well some people" or "some folks" or anything else. This is a thread about Larry Johnson, not about childish generalizations about how some people on here view the team. Any more of this juvenile crap is going to result in points. Grow up.
