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Armando with an interesting perspective on our new running back.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by djphinfan, Aug 24, 2011.

  1. rdhstlr23

    rdhstlr23 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    VO & Marine made some valid arguments.

    But the best is the Ricky Williams Part II. I can see Larry Johnson being that same kind of player for us. That's what I envisioned.
     
  2. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    lmao
     
  3. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Grant took a 1M paycut from 3.5M to 2.5M today and the Pack also guaranteed that money.

    Great point. Too many carries in a short amount of time = burnout. Johnson is a primary reason you are seeing so many time share backfields nowadays. Teams value the productivity they are getting from certain backs that they want to prolong the careers of those backs.
     
  4. Coral Reefer

    Coral Reefer Premium Member

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    Here's another perspective.

    Ireland and Tony dragged their feet on the RB position.
    They thought the number of Free Agents at the position would cause some to still be available after they drag their feet on another decision about Lex Hilliard and whether they should count on him as a co-back and safety valve for the rookie. They neglected the position on a team that is supposed to be tough run first oriented. This isn't a Mike Martz offense were talking about here. Its one that is supposed to be build on the success of establishing the run. These guys now realize they have a problem and are reacting by reaching out to the only players available now, a retiree and a RB that maybe should be a retiree.
    It's pathetic. Anyone want to tell me that investing in Ronnie or Ricky to be the co-back would have been a mistake. Anyone want to tell me that regardless of how you feel about Ronnie Brown or Ricky Williams that either are not CLEARLY more effective options than Tike Barber or Larry Johnson?

    Some of their decisions this offseason and preseason are mind boggling to me personally.
     
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  5. Ludacris

    Ludacris Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    when josh mcdaniels enters KC, larry johnson's production declined and was traded half way through 2009 to washington where his production was better. Is it because his a better zone runner? will we be calling more zone running plays this year?
     
  6. djphinfan

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    Reggie bush is the number one choice. They identified the player and went after him, ''him'' being the key word..a nice looking rookie and upgraded the third string position.. Not sure why ur so upset Reef..
     
  7. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    The offense is changing bro.... You have to develop new talent.
    Not sure I really see a problem.
     
  8. padre31

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    For some folks, Sparano/Ireland cannot do anything right except for getting fired, preferably as soon as possible.

    And I'm not going to trot out "bad fan" or "you are not a fan of.."

    I can appreciate the other side to the offseason moves, some of it I can agree with, some not so much.
     
  9. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    We play a damn good Bucs team Saturday night..... We shall see.
    I'm done calling anyone out really... Not worth it.
    Looking forward to the 2011 season.
     
  10. Vengeful Odin

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    Daboll runs a mix of zone and man run blocking, IIRC. We will still see more zone concepts than we did last year though.
     
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  11. FinsAreLife

    FinsAreLife Well-Known Member

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    Well the guy certainly has incentive to make the team and make an impact.
     
  12. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    - Posts Edited -

    Please heed my earlier warning and leave the personal stuff out of these threads.

    We're all pretty intelligent folks. I don't feel I should have to repeat myself.

    Thank you
     
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  13. MrClean

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    He played in 14 games in 2009, 7 in KC and 7 in Cincy. His combined avg was 3.3 yds per carry and 581 total yds.
     
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  14. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    ROFLMAO :sidelol:
     
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  15. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Todd Haley and Cincinnati.
     
  16. MarinePhinFan

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    Dragged their feet? How?

    They drafted a strong, powerful RB and picked up a fast, quick, elusive pass catching RB on top of already having Sheets, Grigsby, and Hilliard. And if you want you can throw Clay and Polite in there too. Then they get a chance to pick up (for NOTHING) a one time great back who has had 3 seasons off in order to evaluate him and they grab him too.

    I just don't get the anger over this LJ thing. The Dolphins currently have a great mix of power and speed at the RB position. How is that not a good thing?
     
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  17. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Well, if you would have asked me a month ago who I'd prefer for a 3rd string veteran RB for insurance, I'd probably not even thought of Johnson, but I'm glad to have him in the mix for the job now, rather than depending on it being decided from either just Sheets or Hilliard.
     
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  18. MarinePhinFan

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    Correct, but the situation is a little more complex and his stats are a little misleading here. The 7 games he started in KC was when he was under a lot of pressure from the NFL, his coaches, media, and fans. The guy had crap being thrown at him from all angles...some deserved and some not.

    He then went to Cinci where he averaged 4.4 yds per carry in 7 games.
     
  19. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    I'm stoked of the surprise. That's turning over the rocks if they ever have. I see it as a great freebie. If he works its nothing but good if his tank isn't full he won't be here long.
     
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  20. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    mbmonk posted LJ only played 7 games in 2009. I was only making a correction that he actually played in 14 total. That's the only reason I mentioned it.
     
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  21. mbmonk

    mbmonk I have no clue

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    Thanks for correction. I must need glasses :). Thanks Clean :up:
     
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  22. Disgustipate

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    Asked this earlier, but please tell me what our opportunity cost was here, what third string backs were available earlier on the offseason that would have been better choices?

    Neither Ronnie Brown nor Ricky Williams are 3rd string backs and it is unlikely either would accept that role here given the pay and carries.
     
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  23. Larryfinfan

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    Easier said than done. Grant has more injury issues than anyone is letting on. If he gets cut and LJ isn't working out, that's a different story, but only if LJ isn't working out. They'll know in short order...

    There is a reason he can't make it on the Packers, and it ain't because they have a Chris Johnson on their team already....
     
  24. Coral Reefer

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    Answer is that IMO you're asking the wrong question.
    You must clearly be on board with Bush being suddenly becoming capable of being an every down back in a carry split while still being able to stay healthy.
    So be it. I know there are those out there that think Bush will be able to fill this role. I don't.

    If you consider this move simply fishing for a safety valve /3rd string back I see your point.
    However, to me, this isn't about a 3rd string back at all. This is about having a solid and proven back able to grind it out between the tackles which is what Tony S. always preaches. I think they realize that as well now. If they wanted to find a body for 3rd string they wouldn't need to be reaching like this at all.
     
  25. Coral Reefer

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    You're not going to trot out the "Bad fan" argument?
    You already did just by the insinuation.

    As far as those of us disagreeing with Tony S simply because we want him fired immediately.
    You've surprised me lately Padre.

    A lot of your arguments have taken this easy approach to dismissing those that don't agree with you.
    I've never been one clamoring for Sparano's firing so you can just put that argument away.
    I've explained pretty clearly why I have questioned a number of moves. I won't sit here and verbally circle jerk Ireland and Sparano if I see things that I don't feel jive with what they preach about what type of team they are trying to build.

    You want to debate the meat of the topic I'm game.
     
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  26. MarinePhinFan

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    How are they reaching? They basically got LJ for free until he proves he can play or not. I don't think this coaching staff is expecting LJ to do anything other than play a backup/teacher to DT.
     
  27. ckparrothead

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    With Tony's latest statements roasting Daniel Thomas, it's becoming apparent that the Grandmama signing was more about Daniel Thomas than about Kory Sheets.

    The timing of it always seemed suspicious. Kory Sheets actually looked a lot better in the Carolina game than he did the Atlanta game. But Daniel Thomas and Lex Hilliard needed four tries to bang it into the end zone from the 1 yard line against rookie 3rd rounder Sione Fua and that vaunted 1-15 Carolina defensive front.

    I think that scared them. The first reaction one scout had in speaking to someone I know when he heard about the Larry Johnson signing was to say the Dolphins must be having goal line trouble.
     
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  28. MarinePhinFan

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    Sparano may have *****ed him out last Friday, but did you notice any gaping holes for him to run through? He's had less than 4 weeks of actual NFL practice...do you not expect him to be behind the curve of your typical SECOND ROUND PICK running back at this point in preseason? (Ingram is averaging 3.7 yds per carry so far compared to DT's 3.6) Also, even if Sparano suspects DT needs more time to be an effective GL back, how does this make the "timing" or the picking up of LJ look bad? And how does this point to them "needing" to use LJ for more than anything but a short yardage GL back? I mean, how many carries will he average per game if that is the duty he's limited to, 4? 5?

    And again, if LJ comes in and performs at anything close to how he has in the past how great will that be? And if he is only good for GL/short yardage plays and succeeds there, again, GREAT! And if he fails to do any of those things...so? Then he'll be gone and there is still Polite, Clay, Bush, Hilliard, Grigsby and DT which, IMO, is a decent combination of speed and power.
     
  29. padre31

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    That is known as "coaching".
     
  30. padre31

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    Or, you have a guilty conscience about it.


    Sure it worthy of discussion, we have also reached the point of "we have to see what they do in games".

    Which is why I've been saying "the dog barked and the caravan went by", we've reached the point of "you have who you have" and now it is time for them to perform...or not.
     
  31. Coral Reefer

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    :lol:

    Yeah Padre you got me.
    I'm feeling guilty about being a bad fan because I disagree with the moves the GM is making.
    You got me!

    I'm convinced at this point you're off your rocker.
     
  32. Coral Reefer

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    They are reaching because they didn't prepare.

    Yes they got an old back for free that needs to prove he can play.
    Add that to getting a rookie that needs to prove he can play
    Along with trading for an oft injured career 3rd down back that needs to prove he can stay healthy in that role let alone an increased role at the position.

    What you get is a team that states they want to win by establishing the run yet have made the decision to go with 3 unproven players at the position while refusing to sign at least one known commodity to be able to lean on in case the rook and the Bush move dosent work out. Do you call that good planning by a General Manager? Just sayin.
     
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