How many GMs are able to bring in a lot of quality offensive lineman? The NFL is littered with horrible lineman, including those on very successful teams.
You need to watch film/games. Intangibles mean absolutely nothing if the guy can not play and Jerry CAN NOT PLAY. IF he makes the final roster I'll be stunned at this point. A right side of Jerry and Murtha/Carey will get Chad Henne and Reggie Bush killed. I'd be shocked if O'Hara is not on this roster by the middle of the week. I'm not a fan of moving Pouncey to guard. We drafted him to be a center, leave him there. Quit ****ing around with position flexibility.
It is Ireland's decision now to address this though , and to realize that going into the season as is , isn't likely to lead to success. He needs to make at least one move for a starter on the Oline imo. He has some options , more than what typically would be available , he can sign O'Hara , Waters or Davis and at least one of them should be a significant upgrade to what we have and have seen production wise . Those are no compensation options , he still has some proven talent and depth if he wants to also make a trade.
I've had some messed up discs in my lower back for a couple of yrs now and what happens is the flexibility that you need to sort of tense your muscles is just not there, sort of like a permenant cramp and you just cannot generate any power.
JJ was highly rated in Draft 2010, could be he just is a bust, still early to truly say it, but that puppy is not nipping anything at all.
O'hara would be a good thing. Sparano has to make a move with this offensive line, the opener is in two weeks.
i think Ireland has done a pretty damn good job as GM .... and the only major failure has been along the OL, but how do we know that the lack of added talent wasn't 'Fat Tony's' doing .... equally, we should realize that high draft choices and OL did not generally go hand in hand with Parcellian drafts ... so, it should be no surprise that we did not invest high in the draft along the OL while he was here (less Long of course - but that was more or less a forced pick) .... and to top it off we went the route of very good but injury laden OL to plug the gap - and we all know how that worked out for us. what i do almost guarantee for next year .... we will invest in the OL - especially after Henne proves that he can lead this team.
I would agree with that. Especially considering most other areas of the team are actually pretty solid. One thing we've seen is that they tend to attack glaring areas of weakness en mass.
No problem, Ireland came to the Dolphins with Parcells right before the 2008 draft. So he has been instrumental in now conducting the last four Dolphin drafts as well as being involved in the signing of free agents. If you go back and look at the teams who also selected in the top ten picks of the 2008 draft and compare these teams to the Dolphins today, I would have to conclude that the only teams in this group who have done a worst job than the Dolphins in bringing in talent are the Raiders and possibly the Bengals. The other seven teams in the early part of the 2008 draft were the Rams, Falcons, Chiefs, Jets, Saints, Jaguars, and Patriots. I would take the talent on these team over the talent on the Dolphins, any day of the week. So while Ireland may have hit on a few of his selections in the draft and in free agency. The fact is that he has actually done a very poor job considering he has been here for four years. The Dolphins today are no better then the 3rd best team in the AFC East and the Bills are quickly gaining on the Dolphins. If you feel that Ireland has done a good job, so be it. I have no doubt that you will be reconsidering your opinion in about four months when the Dolphins once again are out of the playoffs and selecting in the top ten picks in the 2012 draft. For those who say that Ireland inherited a 1-15 team and it takes time to rebuild a franchise. All you have to do is look at the Detroit Lions to see that having a great personnel man can change the future of a team in less than four years. The Lions won zero games in 2009 and the talent on their team right now is far superior to the talent on the Dolphins. The Lions owner finally got smart and fired their long time GM and actually hired someone who knows how to build a winning organization. I for one would trade the Dolphins talent for the Lions talent without hesitation. All I hope is that Ross finally makes the same decision that the Lions owner made and brings in someone who actually knows how to build a winning organization.
No, there's clearly a problem, because you didn't do what I said. Compare draft picks over 2008 to present with the current team. You didn't do that. Hell, look at the first team on your list there, the Rams. You wanna talk about a team that has blown resources going into the offensive line? Look no further.
Obviously you can't see the forest for the trees. I clearly showed how Ireland has done a far worse job of bringing talent to the Dolphins than the other GM's who also had picks in the top ten of the 2008 draft. You don't want to face the fact that Ireland is in over his head as a GM in the NFL and you appear willing to settle for another mediocre season from the team he has selected the talent for during his time in Miami. I certainly have no problem seeing where the problem with the Dolphins lies, but if you are happy looking at the Dolphins and Ireland through rose colored glasses. I guess there is nothing I can say to change your mind. You might be happy with another 7-9 or worse season, but I'm not. After the season is over, I have no doubt you will see things as they really are and you too will be calling for Ross to replace Ireland.
But you didn't actually "show" anything. The word would suggest you've done something other than repeat that you think they have better talent with nothing actually backing it up. With anything. At all. I'm glad you are here to set us straight with your strong grasp of ... ?
To get you started, you can explain how that first team on your list has blown way more resources on bad linemen than we have.
100 per cent correct on the Rams. number two overall pick, Jason Smith 70 million dollars could not beat out Alex friggin Baron to start at LT and could not beat out the backup, Adam Goldberg to start at RT. Cannot pass block to save his life and at best, is marginal at run blocking. John Greco, 2008 3rd round. Lucky to even be activated on game days Mark Setterstrom, not in football anymore Signed Jacob Bell for 33 million from Tenn. Horrible, was asked to take a pay cut or be cut this year. Jason Brown, the one everyone wanted, believe he signed for around 37 million. Gets bull rushed with no problem and pushed around like a shopping cart Just signed Havey Dahl. Think its around 4 million a year. To me at least, Dahl is not half as good as many think he is. Watched a replay of this weeks game and last weeks game. Dahl is an embarassment to say the least. Big deal, he pushes people around after the play is over, he cannot open a hole to save his life. Roger Saffold, first pick in the second round 2010. Starting LT that misses a lot of games due to a cracked disc in his back. Adam Goldberg. Rams let him shop himself around in 2010. One team had him for a visit, Cinn. They did not offer him a contract. Signed for Vets Min. Same thing this year, let him shop around. No teams showed interest, signed by Rams for Vets Min and he is their backup OT and G 2008 we took Jake Long they took Chris Long. Our Long is a pro bowl player, their Long has a Dad named Howie and if he didn't no one would have even heard of this kid. Not bad but certainly not worth 65 million as the second overall pick int he draft. Anyone who says they will take the Ram talent over outs is completely utterly insane. Other then Sam Bradford , the Rams have struck out miserably year after year. No, you can keep Steven Jackson also, man RARELY crosses the goal line. If it were not for Bradford they would still be the doormat of the NFL.
Hell, sign all three. They're all old , so there's a chance at least one will be injured at any given time.
And that's without all the pounding of years of football injuries, and being 350 pounds, and trying to compete at an elite level with other fitter atheletes. Just don;t see how Vern can excel at this point.
Ireland is not the riverboat gambler during the draft that JJ was, trading around for more picks, but they both seem to have the same thing in common, a keen eye for defensive players, and much less so for offensive players, with a few exceptions. If this class hits all the way through, and they could, then Ireland will IMO surpass JJ as our best talent evaluator since Bobby Beathard.
Since our coaches coached Jerry in the Senior Bowl 2010, and Tony and Gugs got to work with him all week, hopefully gaining valuable insight, I kind of guessed they may have presented a case to Ireland/Parcells to pick him. If they did, and one would surmise the coaches may learn something extra about the players they had all week, (especially their area of "expertise", the OL), it looks even worse.
When Parcells was with the Giants, and granted George Young had final say, they took a lot of OL early in the draft, such as first three rounds. Guys like Eric Moore, Jumbo Elliott, Bob Kratch and William Roberts. Young was a smart talent scout. The Dolphins had him a few years and should have kept him, but I'd bet he allowed Parcells to have some input and opinions on who they should draft.
Jason Smith started every game at RT in 2010. Goldberg started every game at RG, so with Dahl signed, he becomes a solid backup. Yes, Smith struggled as a rookie, but so do a lot of other OL. So did Trent Williams, Russell Okung, and Anthony Davis. Not many rookie OTs are Pro Bowlers as a rookie, like Jake Long was. Saffold played and started the entire season at LT, so when did he miss games with a back problem? He started every preseason game this year and also as a rookie too. 23 of 23 so far. Greco is no longer with the Rams. Bell was their best OL last season. Had they not kept him, he'd have found another job very quickly. He and Dahl could well be the best pair of guards in the NFC. We have one OL better than any of theirs in Jake, and it is too soon to know how Pouncey will turn out, so maybe two, but if we could trade our LG, RG, RT, as a group for theirs, I would. You are off base on Chris Long too. 2010 was his first season to play full time at his natural position, LDE and he led the NFL in hurries in 2010 with 41.5 and in total quarterback disruptions with 67.5. Quarterback disruptions are the combined total of quarterback sacks, hits, and hurries. To think no one would have ever heard of him if Howie was not his dad.
Besides Suh and Stafford, name a player that was drafted under their new regime you would take over ones drafted with ours. And the 2 players I named were top 2 picks. We we nowhere close to being able to select them.
Honest question whose the better player right now Ray Feinga or Vernon Carey? A few of the backup guys don't really get enough of a chance with seniority being the key issue but honestly I'm curious to see if any of them are finds. If the Cowboys can replace Gerard with a free agent undrafted rookie, it's likely we could at least find someone to perhaps play RT for Miami out of Kopa, Barbre, Feinga, or one of the other guys.
I honestly dont get the love affair with O'Hara. He's 34 and recovering from foot and knee injuries. We wouldnt be getting the O'Hara from a few years ago. We would be getting another 2010 version of Justin SMILEY
We really have no idea with some of the older guys. A few of them had surgeries and they could flat out be done. Then again we know Vernon Carey seems to be done. You would think the backup guys could play a bit. Didn't Feinga start a game a year ago?
O'Hara can play G, although if it were me, I'd move Pouncey since O'Hara was in the Pro Bowl the past couple of years, as a center.
Or we could just move Garner up to starter. Sparano seems to have this love affair with Garner as the 'all position' backup even if it means were weaker at one starting position that he could fill better.
Waters and Davis are real iron men though. Waters has missed 3 games since 2001. Started and played every game but 3 from 2002 on. He was in the Pro Bowl 2 of the last 3 seasons. Since Davis entered the league he has started and played in 155 out of 160 possible games. Davis will be 33 in a week, and Waters is 34, but guards often remain productive well into their 30s if they are the durable types like those two.
Garner probably will start at this rate. I think Carey may see walking papers fairly soon and we'll see what happens then. There are plenty of NFL lines playing well with no name players. I'm fairly confident, Feinga and Garner would be an upgrade over Carey and Colombo.
Well, I don't like Feinga at all. I see him as stubby legged, and no lateral quickness and little functional strength. I like Kopa much better, but he never even played against Tampa. Why not insert Berger as the starter at RG? Of whom we have right now, he'd be my first choice.
If we're going with a line meant to pass block I wouldn't be opposed to Berger as the RG. He wasn't that bad last year and he'll help with the line calls. From what I remember he was good against the pass, average against the run. At least let's get that aspect right. Garner at RT should be fine too. Kopa is inexperienced I wouldn't expect him to be able to play. I would even say put Berger at LG with Incognito at RG. Then at least I'm fairly sure that Chad Henne will have a good pocket to pass out of.
Just foot injuries from last season, and he is not recovering, he is recovered. Before that he'd been very durable for many years. Smiley's downfall was his shoulder, so I don't see how he compares to O'Hara. If there is a love affair, it is probably because of his being selected to the last 3 Pro Bowls, so folks got an idea he may be pretty good. So, he is 34, a lot of interior OL play well into their 30s and remain solid productive players.
You know I checked out something interesting from last year. You know where Miami was last in the league on the OL? Second level run blocking. You know where else they were last in the league? Open field run blocking. Yet there was something else. They were actually not too bad at all at power blocking on the interior of the OL. Somewhere around 8th. That's not too bad especially when Berger supposedly was a weak run blocker and they played with the ridiculously crappy Pat McQuistan. I would take a great pass blocking line right about now.
Berger was the 16th Center overall in the league last season, and 13th in 2009, and he only allowed 2 sacks during his time as the starting C. If it were up to me, I'd insert Berger at C and move Pouncey to RG for this season, but IMO Berger is one of our 3 best interior linemen currently on the roster and should be one of the three starters somewhere inside. Garner would be my 2nd choice to insert at RG, and after that I'd consider Willis, who played there for Seattle a couple years ago. As for RT, IMO, Colombo is going to be the starter for the season barring injury, Tony loves him for whatever reason, so get used to it. When I've gone back and watched, both he and Carey struggled in the last game, but Carey was easily the worst of the two. One thing I like about Colombo is he battles till the whistle and Carey looks IMO to shut it down as soon as he can. Such as the runner is even or past, he just stops blocking. Colombo, Pouncey and Incognito are always looking for someone else to hit.
I wouldn't bet on Tony being that stubborn with Colombo. If he struggles he'll be forced to make a change. Right now there are probably two guys that can start and play at least at an average NFL level on the Dolphins' bench. Not sure what the heck is the point of that right now. If it were up to me Incognito would be the starter but it's really a non-issue. No matter how you put it these guys aren't going to be getting push at the goal line very often especially up the gut. At least let's protect Chad Henne so he can throw for some really impressive yardage week in and week out.
I said that in another thread yesterday. Screw putting the best run blockers out there. Give us the 5 best pass protectors because this season rides on Henne having time to throw and not getting beaten to a pulp by pass rushers. Even our #1 RB is a better pass catcher, and I'll bet Bush has more receiving than rushing yards this season. Ideally speaking one would like 5 OL who are equally adept at pass and run blocking, but all I am saying is, if there is a question at any position, put the better pass blocker out there. Murtha may be our best pure athlete on the OL, so once Jake is back starting, maybe consider Murtha at RG too. BTW, where did you read that about the 2nd level and open field blocking and such? Got a link to share?
