I'll give you probably. But like I said, if it's Brady behind the Pats' line, he gets a second chance on the Hartline route because he has so much time and space to sit comfortably in the pocket and let the play develop. It often astonishes me how much time and space Brady gets. And yes, Henne can still get a lot better sliding around the pocket to create passing lanes. I've been banging the drum on that since I began to notice the problem with batted balls.
But we're not talking about last season; we're talking about his play now. To say he's miles away is to ignore all the development he's made.
I'm going to agree with Armando, but not 100%. I think Henne left a TD on the board, but not due to a missed pass opportunity. I think he had a easy scramble option to the endzone, but didn't take the correct route. See my illustration below: Of course, the blocking (in yellow) and spin move off the second reverse would need to be performed, but I think this is something reasonably expected from a top tier QB (calling out the blocks and pointing when necessary). I for one will wait till Henne can make this happen before putting him in the 'Good' QB range. Kudos to Armando for a dose of much needed reality among all the blind optimism this preseason.
His feet are planted???? Do you walk on the balls of your feet. I thought not... He is moving. Where he is in process of movement we can't tell. Further, Hess in the next frame has squatted down and dropped his butt in place. That even threw the safety off because in the next frame, he is angled away and off balance as if he were expecting Hess to take a few steps out into the field. As far as Hartline goes, in this fram he is facing to starboard and has his shoulder dropped. In the next he has motored off to port. In ONE second! Analyzing these two pictures from this angle and trying to prove anything other than the analyst is about as knowledgeable as my long dead grandmother about football is absolutely futile. Put your eyes and ears in the helmet, see the flow of the movement in the endzone and around the pocket, and then form an opinion. I would imagine that Armando has not had his head in a helmet (for football, anyway) in a long time, if ever. I will not mention the other question?
At the end of the season, or even during it, we can evaluate if Henne is a "David Garrard" or "Kyle Orton" solution or whether he's a "Matt Ryan" solution. If it's the former, he's probably worth keeping around but you don't hesitate to pull the trigger if a better prospect or veteran comes along. If he's the latter, you can probably stop looking.
Exactly. By my record, we would've been in position to score 17 first half points against TB despite no ground game, poor protection, and costly penalties....... yet here we go again blaming the QB for not maximizing the scoring. The guy should've been 14/14 for 250 yards and at least 1 TD & 0 INTs without the 3 drops and if a penalty didn't nullify a pass, yet he's getting blamed for not maximizing our scoring even though our ground game totaled 12 yards and we were penalized 11 times? How well did Freeman maximize his opportunities when not having Blount taking a check down for 52 yards? The difference between Henne & Freeman were night and day IMO.
Maybe the article should be titled "Henne has come a LOOOOOONG way and looked better than a talented QB [Freeman] whom most fans would've preferred over Henne prior to preseason beginning."
Ahhhh so Henne's accountable for 11 penalties and a run game that totaled 12 whopping yards? He's accountable for the blocking, too, right (or lack there of)? It was probably his fault for not running side by side with Marshall to tell him to secure the ball better or let him know he was about to have it knocked out. It's also his fault Gates couldn't haul in a well thrown deep ball. Eventually an ENTIRE OFFENSE needs to be held accountable for it's ENTIRE TEAM EFFORT rather than constantly scapegoating the QB for their poor performance.
I saw the play when I watched the game, and my knee jerk reaction was "wow he missed a wide open Hartline in the back of the end zone." But, when I rewound and watched it again in slo-mo I realized at about the time Hartline became wide open was when Henne tucked and started to run up the gut, thereby attracting the attention of the DB on Hartline. Was Hartline open a split second prior to Henne making that decision? Honestly, I don't know. What I know is if that was a regular season game, and Henne had to make the same read/decision, I am cool with it. I realize it means settling for another fuggin' FG. But, I'd much rather get three points at that particular point in the game, then give up a pick six. Having said all that, I sure hope we don't see that kind of play calling in the regular season. IIRC, that was third down after two failed rushing attempts. So, pretty sure TB knew a pass play was coming. Putting Henne and our offense in the best possible position to be successful is just as important as Henne properly executing the play that's called IMHO.
Thank you. I am counting on Henne freezing the ref with a purposeful steely glare, then using him as an additional pick to help that last block.
It seems Armando used these still shots to only bolster his opinion on Henne. Not very fair in Henne`s defense being that he played well most of the game. Having said that, I do think he should have stepped up a bit in the pocket to create passing lane choices and that seems to be a problem for him. He also seems way too predictable at times but does seem to have better accuracy. If he can work on the intangibles maybe he will progress. I`m not entirely sold on him yet and I`ve been a notorious doubter-which I still am for the most part- but only time will tell if he changes my mind.
I think Henne is going to be great. He threw a bunch of abysmal interceptions last year, but after two preseason games I feel he has turned it around. Judging by this preseason he should have a spectacular year.
I rewatched it, too, and you're completely right. At the moment Henne tucks it, Hartline isn't even looking back at him!.... but you know who is----- the safety, and he's the one positioned to make a play thrown Hartline's way. Because the Safety is squatting on the play, he breaks when he sees Henne take off. However, hack-Armando uses a still shot a moment later to make it "appear" as though Henne missed a wide open Hartline which is entirely false!
Henne played well - and very well could have missed a good opportunity on that play (though I think that is debatable). BUT - you could do that for any QB. To take this one play and say it is the sole reason why Henne is not a great QB, means that you would have to also watch all games by QBs you consider great - and confirm that they NEVER EVER miss these same plays. Otherwise it doesn't prove anything other than the narrative that Armando wants to push. (Not saying Henne is a great QB - just pointing out the flaw in his logic)
Regardless of whether or not he actually missed the opportunity, that alone does not mean he's not reached a certain level of play. I watched Drew Brees miss an uncovered receiver deep this weekend, opting for a dumpoff to the same side. That said, Henne doesn't get that benefit of the doubt because he's still got to 'prove it'. - sent from my EVO 3D via Tapatalk -
I think you are dead on... 1st drive...3 plays, 77 yard...TD (27 yard pass and 60 yard completions). 2nd drive...2 rushing plays puts Miami in 3rd and long...Henne sacked. Accountability has to fall on OL this drive. 3rd drive...holding on first play of drive puts Miami in 1st and 16 at own 6 yard line. Henne completes pass to Fasano on 3rd and long to get ball to 15, punter doesn't have to punt from end zone. Accountability...Polite for holding, OL. 4th drive...Henne drives Miami down field to have a 1st and goal at 2 yd line...2 rushes -2 yards. Kick FG...accountability for no TD has to go to OL. Henne was 6 of 7 with one dropped pass. 5th drive...30 yard completion to Marshall who fumbles...accountability all Marshall. 6th drive...1st and 10 dropped pass by Bess. 3rd and 1 Miami can't convert on running play...took ball out of Henne's hands...accountability...Bess/OL 7th drive...holding and false start put Miami in 1st and 25...next play sack, followed by 2 running plays...accountability Mastrud/Gates on penalties. I just don't see how Henne can be accountable for only putting up 10 points on his 7 drives. I didn't see a single drive that ended b/c it had anything to do with Henne. What I do think is if Henne were named Brady, P. Manning or Rodgers they would be saying he is already in mid-season form.
Except Josh Freeman has been good. he has good stats. He has good stats with arguably less talent. Henne has not. You can do the same with Montana, Elway, Young Marino, Brady, and Manning. Difference is those guys have won, those guys have had seasons where they threw more TDs than the ball to the other guy. I just rewatched the first couple drives on my lunchbreak (yeah I know) and Freeman did indeed looked sloppy. But he threw 25 TDs against 6 INTs when it really mattered. During the regular season. In his second season he threw INT's at a 1.3% rate. If I understand that correctly, that is outstanding The opportunities that Henne did take care of? He played a half, and a little more than halfway into the 3rd quarter, and we had 10 points. Extrapolate that out, that's 16 points for a full game, 20 if I'm feeling generous. What opportunities were these?
It's amazing how Henne divides this forum. Why don't we exhibit this sort of division to opinion about Paul Soliai, or Sean Smith, or Daniel Thomas? Where are the great Jared Odrick wars? Does anyone have an opinion about Brian Hartline? It's amazing how much emotion is invested in one player.
Nobody has said Henne is bad, or terrible. Armando says he has a looong way to go. Like 16 games plus playoffs long. Like using his feet and eyes to draw defenders and then hitting his now open WR. He's far from great. That's what Armando is saying. He is not great. And he's got a long way to go to be great. If you disagree with this, you essentially are arguing Henne is already great, or close to it. Which one of you will step up and say Henne is close to great, or is already great?
I'm not sure I buy that. I watch a lot of quarterbacks in the NFL, especially in preseason. It helps me keep perspective on what's actually good relative to other guys and what's not. What I notice when I watch all those guys is, they make plays like that. I mean they make it. Like that second screen cap where it shows Henne scrambling out, there are a lot of other guys in the league that even at that point still make that play, make that throw to Hartline in the back of the end zone while scrambling out or having bought some time. And there are a surprising few that get the time to just sit back there and wait and wait and wait, and the ones that do kind of know they're going to have that time or at least it's not a coincidence due to the situation, defensive look and offensive play call that they're going to get that kind of time. All I'm worried about with Chad Henne is, like Armando says, he still has a long way to go, and getting this guy to make progress on how much information he's able to seen and process and how consistently he's able to do it...has been like pulling teeth.
On the flip side any non-bias reporter after watching film on Henne's performance against TB could have picked a number of plays as to why Henne may not be a JAG...first pass to Fasano in which he dropped it in over coverage underneath (talk about accuracy), the TD pass to Marshall, the audible in which he hit Fasano against a blitz, even the pass to Gates down the sidelines in which Gates seemed clueless the ball was there, etc... I didn't see a single completed pass that was not accurate which is what led to 3,674,873,923 posts just two weeks ago on his first pass of the preseason that bounced off Fasano.
Check the source...this is the one guy in the media that deserves the least amount of respect from any of us. He likes to throw sh!t against the fan and see what happens...best thing to is about it is what I do...don't read his work...
Someone needs to explain to Armando, just like I had to explain to my girlfriend, that cornerbacks stop covering receivers when the QB tucks the ball away and crosses the line of scrimmage.
if he's not first crippled by opposing defenses playing behind this rag of an offensive line, we should know if he's turned the corner by game four of the regular season & have a solid idea of what his NFL potential is by mid-season. way too soon to throw panties or darts... so far, so good, but he's got a long way to go before the coronation.
I have always stated that I don't believe that Henne will ever be a franchise QB, but this analysis is flawed on several levels. Even if you completely buy that the opportunity was there and that Henne missed it, there's a further problem. It's the assumption that the great QBs never miss opportunities. I know for a fact that you could pull up coaches tape for Marino and see missed opportunities quite frequently b/c I've seen it. The fact is that you can do it for every QB, so this article would not prove that Henne is far from being a great QB. It would prove that he was not perfect, of course, but that's a standard that no QB has ever reached. So while I have stated that I don't believe Henne will ever be a franchise guy and this article would appear to support that belief, it's premise is fundamentally flawed.
Henne played a great game. He is the main reason they scored those 10 points. I'll agree with you that he has to be consistent but if he plays like that for the entire season, many Miami fans will begin to think of him as great. It will take two or three seasons of play like that to be considered great by NFLN standards. Of course he is gonna have off days but I consider him to have great potential. The only reason I say potential is he has to be consistent.
I don't know, I've been a Henne supporter all along but you have to realistic too. I didn't read the article because I don't read that hack's work, but if he was making the point that we can't draw a logical conclusion that Henne has 'seen the light' yet after 3 preseason games, well...he's right. He'll need to prove it with fairly consistent play thru the season. That doesn't mean that you belittle the guy for the progress he seems to have made, at least not yet. Give it a rest and let's argue about how bad the OL looks to be !!! I mean seriously, who is the player masquerading around as Lydon Murtha. At this point in the preseason, he looks to be our most consistent OL...I can't believe I just typed that, not after last season !!
I am going to send you the bill for the replacement of my keyboard due to drowning... and for the nasal exam to see how much diet coke has taken up residence in the sinus cavities. Thank you very much!
He made it one yard past the line of scrimmage. I don't think the DB waited until he was across the LOS. If you look at that picture, he is 5 yards behind the LOS when he's tucked and head down. All he needs is a Juggernaut helmet and we'd be in bidness! And if someone would explain to Henne that DB's do exactly as you describe, Henne could use that to his advantage and draw the defenders than lob the pass, then we'd really be cooking! To be fair to Armando, rafael I don't believe he has ever said this was just "one opportunity." He said there were many, and this is one. According to this article, he feels that Henne missed two opportunities, in the matter of a few milliseconds. I know it's preseason, I know there are two starters. But he missed a chance at an extra four points in a game lost by four points. I know, it's preseason, who cares. But at this point he has to show us during preseason, practice and regular season for the whole year. He's not even "good" yet and we have 4 pages discussing a reporter who said he is far from great.
He played well. he also threw only 13 passes which isn't a knock on him, but it's tough to evaluate. The big knock on Ben was he was only throwing 20 passes a game but hey, I'll take that if he's efficient every day and twice on Sunday. But our run game isn't nearly good enough to do that. Plus I'd rather have him get huge numbers I have $3,000 riding on it! (fantasy pot, he's my starter ...)
