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Hyde5: What are Dolphins thinking with Gator reunion?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by jim1, Aug 29, 2011.

  1. DolfanJake

    DolfanJake Banned

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    Wait until you see the banners flown over the stadium and the booing at the time of the Gator Worship Day. Maybe then you'll see the light.
     
  2. NaboCane

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    It would be practically impossible to build an on-campus stadium, or even one within walking distance, barring some crazy billionaire buying up a bunch of land between the U and Dadeland and donating it and the construction to the U. And, like you said, because of property values around the U, that has been impossible since the '60s.

    But there is a middle ground between "on-campus," and the 20+ miles away that JRS is located from the U's campus.

    If the Dolphins were to buy up land adjacent to the new baseball stadium (between it and Flagler Street) and built a new football stadium there, it would provide once again a venue for both pro and college ball again in the city. Residential properties there are not prohibitively expensive, and frankly the stadium now makes those properties less desirable as homes than as bases for commercial ventures.

    A sports complex with the BB stadium on 7th street as it is, and the FB stadium on Flagler, with hotels, restaurants and shops (plus parking and a Metrorail station) between them would be a huge draw for future Super Bowls, and the Orange Bowl committee would love it as well.

    They could even call the new FB stadium "The Orange Bowl!" :yes:

    All it would take is the vision, and the city will help make it happen. After all, the naysayers said they'd never get a baseball stadium built in the city.

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  3. Stringer Bell

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    Yes, the Dolphins have absolutely every right to disrespect their tenant, if they think it will make them money. Do you really think Stephen Ross cares about the Hurricanes? As you said before, UM doesn't have nearly the resources of UF. Kissing UF's *** while spitting on UM makes sense from a marketing standpoint. Do I really care either way? No. I'm indifferent. If I happen to be at that game I'll probably be inside during the ceremony anyways.

    But ultimately, if you're going to ask me who I blame for UM being embarrassed, I certainly give a lot more blame to UM than the Dolphins. The football program has been a wreck for a while now.
     
  4. Two Tacos

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    I think you misunderstood. It was an analogy. He was suggesting that canes fans getting mad at a state universities national championship team being honored by a pro team in that state, was the same sort of logic behind racist thinking, ie they aren't us and we hate them. That's what it comes down to right? You hate the gators and are offended that they are being honored where you feel like you have to see it.

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  5. Two Tacos

    Two Tacos Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I don't see how honoring one thing equals dishonoring something else. Are they going to kill that ibis as apart of the ceremony?

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  6. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    It's having a bitter, in state rival honored on your home court. I think that it's that simple. A quasi desperation move from the Dolphins organization- they've pretty much admitted this. It's not the end of the world- just a bit odd and a bit embarrassing.
     
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  7. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    And some of them are rational human beings
     
  8. Ozzy

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    Wow! The means you will go to try and make yourself look like you actually know what you're talking about!

    Anyone who lives here and goes to games knows exactly where the stadium is located but you go ahead and be a smartass. Meanwhile, I'll walk 13 blocks from the end of the stadiums property and be standing in Broward County, a place that is very far from where the University Of Miami holds their classes! Which was my point.

    But I don't blame you for being a smartass since I obviously do not agree with your stand on how the organization is being percieved nowadays.
     
  9. Ozzy

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    Its not even a matter of who votes. Its who goes to games and I know for a fact that there are not many Miami Dolphins fans who can say they've been to more home games than myself! Minus 3 years, I attended every single home game from 72 thru 2008 and It is an absolute fact that there are a boatload of Gators fans who are Dolphins fans that ATTEND games.

    It is also a fact that there are a ton of Gators fans living in Dade and Broward county. So while it is a bad idea, I can see why they MIGHT think this could help them sell tickets and it will...
     
  10. Ozzy

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    They also offered the Hurricanes to celebrate their most recent championship and Shalala declined saying they wanted to do it themselves. But you're right! It is a bit odd but as a Dolphins fan I'm not embarrassed over it. I do think that the Dolphins should not involve themselves with anything to do with any college program except the draft and with ANYTHING to do with a charity.
     
  11. jim1

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    Totally agreed, tons of Gators/Dolphins fans down here. My opinion is that the effort is kind of cheesy, but you can see why they're trying to do it. It just doesn't pass the smell test imo. Remember back when Troy Vincent was a rookie? Saw him and Marco Coleman at TC rookie year. Vincent was awesome and Coleman was one heck of an athlete. Also a big fan of Don McNeal and Larry Gordon. Kim Bokamper at OLB, too. That was a big dude- not big enough at DE against the Hogs, but one hell of a big OLB. BTW- Tim McKyer was dominating in camp when we got him, heck of a player- big mouth though.
     
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  12. Two Tacos

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    If it were an out of state rival, or if the stadium was on campus or even partially owned by UM I would agree with your argument. It's not though, it's an in state public school, the event takes place at a privately owned stadium, and the event has no ties to UM.

    I guess it's hard for me to say. I live in oregon, corvallis and eugene are 40 miles apart. Duck and beaver fans are pretty well intergraded through out the state. I'm under the impression that there are still a lot of gator fans in the area, which is why they are doing it.

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  13. muscle979

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    This is being blown out of proportion. It's not like it's Florida State coming down to be honored. The Gators and Hurricanes don't even have much of a rivalry. Let's be honest here.
     
  14. jim1

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    I lived in Oregon as well. Botom line- the Dolphins and Hurricanes share the same house, and the Dolphins are parading around the Gators in that shared house like a beau showing off and attempting to flatter a second girlfriend- in the first girlfriend's house. It just doesn't fly. What the Dolphins are doing makes sense from a business perspective, but it's dubious, at best.
     
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  16. DolfanJake

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    Very wrong dude, you don't know the history of the rivalry obviously. They played football every year from 1944 to 1987 until the Gators ended the series. They have also met twice in bowl games (in the 2001 Sugar & 2004 Peach, Miami winning both). Miami also had a winning streak of 6 games over the Gators from 1986 to 2004, and Miami holds the edge in the rivalry 28 to 26. The 2003 game was a classic with the Gators jumping out to a 35-3 lead only to see the Canes rally back for 38-35 win. One of the greatest comebacks in college football history. You don't consider it a rivalry and they have played 54 times ????

    They play home and away series in most every other sport, including basketball (both men's and women's), baseball used to be home & away every year, but is now down to 3 in Gainsville one year and the next year 3 in Coral Gables, and that continues to be an extremely heated rivalry, and the Gators have ended the Hurricanes baseball season the last 3 years in Gainesville in the NCAA playoffs. Also they play home & home every year in tennis, and women's soccer & volleyball, swimming and diving.

    Yes its a rivalry dude.

    By the way FSU is the "Johnny Come Lately" in any kind of rivalry sense, as they were the Florida State College for Women as late as 1947 and didn't play football until 1948 or 1949. Miami & Florida had already played about 15 times by then.
     
  17. DolfanJake

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    From Pro Football Talk : http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...l-tickets-leads-to-bizarre-promotion/related/

     
  18. DolfanJake

    DolfanJake Banned

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    Some of the comments following that article are good too......

    and the most interesting one of all, because there may be truth to it.......
     
  19. DolfanJake

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    another article........

    Embarrassing......
     
  20. Ozzy

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    Holy mackeral!! You just dont stop! They have not played in a home and home in over 20 seasons! The Gators ended it and if the two teams don't play there is no longer a rivalry on the field! FSU is their in state rival year in and year out!

    We're talking about FOOTBALL
     
  21. Ozzy

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    Man I hope Ross keeps this team and I'm starting to hope he'll hire some more celebs and honor some other things so some people (cough cough) go root for (but actually against) another team....


     
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  22. DolfanJake

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    Ozzy, you are trolling my posts at this point. You are trying to make this a personal pissing contest between the two of us. You are being contrary, to be contrary.

    If you claim to be any kind of college sports fan, you will know that the Gators are the most hated rivalry of any Canes fan. The series would still be played yearly if it wasn't for the Gators being afraid to do so. Canes fans to the last one HATE the Gator and all it stands for. You are being disingenuous and as a consequence, that is by most standards considered trolling.

    It doesn't matter what sport, and you know that. Texas & Texas A & M, USC & UCLA, Alabama vs Auburn, Michigan vs Ohio St......are you going to tell me that those rivalries stop at football ? Again, you can't be taken seriously if you say yes.

    And of course you are WRONG.....they played a home & home twice since the Gators ended the series the last one being 2002 & 2003 (Miami won both) and 2009 (Florida won in gainsville) and will play again in 2013 (in Miami if the Gators don't back out of it, there are rumors they are wanting to do that). Also they have played 2 bowls the Sugar & Peach since the Gators ended the series.

    Again it needs to be stated that the annual series was ended by the Gators, because they started losing to Miami on a regular basis and dumped us to play the Montana's & San Jose St's of the college football world. That is one of the reasons why Canes fans HATE them so much, and yes they are our rival, because we recruit directly against them for players. To deny that its a rivalry is just trolling Ozzy.
     
  23. rafael

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    Actually the big impetus for the Gators to drop Miami was the change in the SEC rules that added an extra conference game to the schedule. Since that meant they would lose a home game every other year they had to drop a home and home series to pick up another home game each year. FSU was a much bigger rival for UF than Miami so they dropped Miami. UM actually did the exact same thing in basketball a few years later. Fans of both schools will claim that it was b/c the other team was losing, but that's B.S.
     
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  24. muscle979

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    I didn't realize that only over 40 Hurricane fans went to Dolphins games. The rivalry is done. I bet the Gators and their fans hardly even care about the U. They've played what... a handful of games in the last 25 years? Alabama/Auburn is a rivalry, Michigan/Ohio State is a rivalry, FSU/UM is a rivalry, the Hurricanes and Gators have no more of a rivalry than any other division one teams that happen to play each other every great now and then. I wouldn't consider the last 25 years 'Johnny Come Lately'. Maybe a decade but we're talking about since the mid 80s. I'm over 30 and I can't remember a time when FSU/UM wasn't a much bigger deal than UM/UF.
     
  25. DolfanJake

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    Well you are entitled to your opinion, but most Hurricane fans will disagree with you. UF is at the top of the hated list, followed by Notre Dame. If you wish to think differently thats your choice.

    If its not a big deal, and not a rivalry, why has there been such a firestorm in the media about it ? Your logic doesn't follow.

    And yes the Gators care and a lot, because the Canes have 5 rings, to their 3. The Gators have more money, more fans and more everything, but that little private school in Coral Gables still owns a 28-26 record over them. They just can't get over that.
     
  26. DolfanJake

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    Oh and here is a little video highlightof the 2003 game in the OB........not a rivalry ??????

    [video=youtube;Pf3k_4Obv7g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pf3k_4Obv7g[/video]
     
  27. jim1

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    What you have with UF/FSU/UM are three of the most prominent college football programs in the country, rivals who are chasing victories, championships, recruits, bragging rights, name it. Same kind of thing but on a smaller scale in Cali with USC/UCLA and Cal/Stanford. It is what it is, and it makes thins Dolphins/Gators marketing thing kind of touchy. Those college fans can unite in the name of rooting for the Dolphins, but this thing upsets that balance a bit. Personally- I couldn't give a s*** about the rah rah stuff, that's not my gig. But I understand why the Canes fans are pissed- and also why the Dolphins tried this, but it wasn't well advised. Again, the backlash speaks for itself.
     
  28. Ozzy

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    I'm not trolling a **** thing. I don't care what you consider trolling of your posts. You post a thread here and I have the right to rip it apart as I see fit. I have not attacked you so save it.

    It is you that is trolling this website with constant rants of rage about the Miami Dolphins organization. With the latest being about a college football team that has nothing to do with what this website is about. Its not a pissing contest! You barely contribute to this site with anything other than these rants.

    I am not wrong about a thing and I could care less if you take me seriously. There has been no home and home football game played since 87 and we're talking about football not baseball nor basketball. Big difference! When a two football teams do not play year in and year out how can it be a rivalry??? One time every 20 seasons does not renew anything, and Florida can renig the 2013 game if they feel that the Hurricanes have any shot at beating them. And they will do just that...

    Canes fans know why the Gators backed out of the rivalry and it has nothing to do with why the Gators are hated. Canes fans with any sense laugh at them for ENDING the football rivalry. So troll that!
     
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    By James Walker
    Let's see who is rising and falling in the AFC East.

    Falling

    1. Miami Dolphins' halftime celebrations: Last time I checked, the Miami Hurricanes play football at Sun Life Stadium. That is why it's baffling that the Dolphins will honor the rival Florida Gators' 2008 championship team during halftime of the Dolphins-Broncos game on Oct. 23. Most Dolphin fans are Hurricane fans. So expect Tim Tebow and even current Dolphins center Mike Pouncey to get booed profusely. This won't end well. Miami is not Gator country. So the Dolphins should leave the Gators halftime celebrations to the Jacksonville Jaguars.

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  30. Stitches

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    I think I'd like some measured proof that most Dolphins fans are hurricane fans if that statement continues to be used.
     
  31. unluckyluciano

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    Probably isn't any. And I don't understand why the media creating a backlash all of a sudden is proof there is in fact a large backlash. Since when is the media just known a speaker of the people?
     
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