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Sparano's Luncheon Speech

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Abbi Normal, Aug 31, 2011.

  1. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    As has any criticism of the criticism. Seriously, some of you need to crawl down off your crosses.
     
  2. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    Tony has incredible magnetism, I remember Pam Oliver practically fawning over him at a Bucs preseason game a few years back. I remember it because when she spoke with the Tampa coach she looked disgusted and put off.
     
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  3. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    No, they were HS sweethearts Mr C, and married fairly young, she has lost probably 30 pds or so.

    Classy lady, did you know her son Anthony had a perfect score on the SAT?
     
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  4. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Would that be a bad thing? err not a good thing , because a bad thing , well you know ;)
     
  5. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    By that are you implying it isn't Tony's son? hmmm ;)
     
  6. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    Exactly, I just read a short story ("Shooting an Elephant" by George Orwell) that illustrates this perfectly and shows how this can work against the coach or in this case imperialist tyrants:

    And suddenly I realized that I should have to shoot the elephant after all. The people expected it of me and I had got to do it; I could feel their two thousand wills pressing me forward, irresistibly. And it was at this moment, as I stood there with the rifle in my hands, that I first grasped the hollowness, the futility of the white man's domain in the East. Here was I, the white man with his gun, standing in front of an unarmed native crowd-seemingly the leading actor of the piece; but in reality I was only an absurd puppet pushed to and fro by the will of those yellow faces behind. I perceived in this moment that when the white man turns tyrant it is his own freedom he destroys. He becomes a sort of hollow, posing dummy, the conventionalized figure of a sahib. For it is the condition of his rule that he shall spend his life in trying to impress the "natives," and so in every crisis he has got to do what the "natives" expect of him. He wears a mask, and his face grows to fit it.

    Such a great passage IMO...
     
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  7. miamiron

    miamiron There's always next year

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    If a player/team in the NFL needs a speech to get motivated ...good lord

    this isn't pop warner
     
  8. arsenal

    arsenal Sunglasses and advil

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    seriously? what are they robots (besides Henne)? anyone can use motivation, doesn't mean they NEED it, but added motivation is always a plus... bonding as a team is a plus, believing in your leader is a plus...

    i think some forget that football players are still normal people, they can be motivated, they can be pushed... they can also be lazy, they can be placid, they can go through the motions without putting in the extra effort just like anyone at their job... a good head coach is one who keeps the locker room in harmony and knows how to keep his guys wanting to give that extra effort... if you dont think that matters in the NFL then thats your opinion, but it goes against everything you hear from former and current players...
     
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  9. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    Exactly, which is why it is soooo depressing when I hear Tony give a speech. It's a given with a head coach and he flat out sucks at it, 'kay. And the blind belief on display when someone says "what a fantastic speech!" just makes me SMH...Call me a dissident, call me a hater, whatever; I'm not budging on my critique of his speeches. Get a writer and a speech therapist Tony, sheesh!

    There I said it...
     
  10. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Abbi, the thing I see with you and your analysis is that of a scorner lover..The past 10 or 20 years you've been hurt by regimes, coaches and players, and you seem to let that scorn bleed into your your current analysis when deciphering what we have now in a front office, Head coach, and team, Every regime needs to be judged on what they inherited, and what they have done since that inheritance, while properly assessing development in all areas of the team, and, imo, knowing what a proper timeline is for progression in all facets.

    He's saying something to fans, that seem to be much deeper than fans are understanding..This fanbase needs to be checked, he did it, and I respect how he did it..completely..
     
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  11. Pandarilla

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    :sidelol:

    You,ve got a point there DJ. "Gladiator" is a deep and mysterious movie:chuckle:
     
  12. djphinfan

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    Rilla, I understand he's not perfect in his cadence and vocabulary, but thats not it, its the balls to go there, its his toughness mentally that is impressive, its the way that he is himself in situations like this, if you couldn't see that the man was very serious and passionate about what he was saying then your missing something when it comes to him being real and how endearing that is.

    He just turned a snooty old luncheon into a platform to express himself, it wasn't perfect english all the time, and I feel ya on the ''Kay's'' but thats what comes out when hes pissed or pumped.

    Remember this, almost noone can figure out why we went 1 and 7 at home and were a great team on the road., I say almost because I believe he and I know why..

    I said last year that if Tony is a good coach he needs to find alterior ways to motivate this team at home because of the limitations he has to deal with relative to every other team in the league..His team is at a distinct disadvantage, and I think that he recognizes this problem and has found a way to get this team pissed off enough at home to be self motivated during the game..

    That angle can be perfectly executed by the metaphor in Gladiator...''Win the crowd''.
     
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  13. Pandarilla

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    He's definitely got a lot of balls to go there, or even any podium for that matter. I could easily pull off a seamless transition between his speech and a pre-meal pep talk given by a manager at an Olive Garden.

    Aw'right people, listen up.
    Our sales have gone down last month, 'kay
    we need to upsell everything, 'kay
    that means liquor and steak people, kay
    There's a scene in Gladiator where that Aussie dick actor is given some advice, "win the crowd and you'll win the battle"
    [waiters roll their eyes]
    Now we have an outstanding selection of upscale liquor for you to sell, 'kay.
    We're about to enter our busiest part of the season. That means we're on a long journey in the desert and we're about to enter the deep end of the pool...
    [waiters getting really confused]
    So get out there and impress those guests, 'kay.
    'Cause you're all expendable and if you don't, I'll cut you like a Mexican migrant...I'm looking at you Miguel.
    [misguided cheers to placate said buffoon]

    DJ you care too much IMO...
     
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  14. schmolioot

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    The fanbase doesn't need to be checked DJ. First of all, it's bad business to insult your fans/paying customers. Second, it was certainly stupid to do it in this setting, which included the most dedicated of season ticket holders who were willing to take a day off or a long lunch break from work to go to this thing. Those are the people who have already drunk the kool-aid.

    Sparano simply used every sports cliche in the book, which is fine. The "no respect" card which is always a good one, the "we're going to play hard and tough" which is also a classic. Then he even busts out the "we need your undying loyalty". Long story short. He didn't say anything that Wanny/Saban, etc. said.
     
  15. Abbi Normal

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    DJ

    With all due respect you seem to think you know me when actually you know extremely little of me and your projection is far from reality. I've been a Dolphin fan since their inception, seen all the ups and downs experience the great highs and the terrible lows which at time in the older days took me all week to get over a lose.

    The problem is the miss conception and labeling of criticism as a bad thing.....some people just can't deal with criticism...Me I see negativity as an eye opener and a gift given to us to grow from and learn and over come to be that better person. If you learn from you faults their not faults but gifts to help one grow.
    I have the same philosophy with the fins....I see faults that I try to expose not to be negative but to expose for the purpose of understanding and overcoming....
    Sure I can expound on the great job thats been done with the Defense but that isn't an issue that needs to be addressed because it's been addressed by the organization and is solid... Weak areas need to be exposed for their to be reconstruction and growth and at least acknowledgment of a defect ...for the life of me find it so bizarre that no matter what crappy situation may occur some just refuse to acknowledge the problem and sugar coat everything and even start bad mouthing the poster. Well thats fine but it doesn't really help in the growth aspect...

    I've given each administration plenty of time to put into place their plans and give ample time to see their decisions and then draw conclusions. I watch and observe until I feel enough time is fairly given or I see complete stupidity on a consistent basis. This administration is going into it's 4 year and has exposed a tremendous amount of info to make judgments on. So now I call them as I see them and if anyone has a problem I would appreciate dealing with the topic on hand instead of making it personal...is that to much to ask for ?
     
  16. djphinfan

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    lol, thats funny, the 2nd part, I don't know what you mean when you say that Rilla.?
     
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  17. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Alright, guys. That group of folks out there is here for the Never Ending Pasta Bowl, Kay?
    I need you to bring them plenty of salad and bread sticks so they don't get to that third bowl, Kay?
     
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  18. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Sure, I'll "crawl down off my cross" just as soon as "some of you" learn to digest objective criticism about any member of this team without getting butt hurt. We're talking about the head coach, not your mother.
     
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  19. djphinfan

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    I disagree Schmoot, I think they do need to be checked, and I think it was the perfect forum, and he did it, and I respect him for it..

    Dude loves his team and doesn't feel they have been treated fairly, I agree wholeheartedly...Hyper negativity that turns out to be inaccurate, or premature projections without privy information that they have, can affect peoples lives and families, and make things more difficult to perform..A fanbase that understands how to differentiate regimes and give them proper timelines for successful results, can make a better working and winning environment.
     
  20. Pandarilla

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    It just means he sucks at giving speeches, no more no less. I love the guy DJ, but sometimes a cigar is just a cigar...
     
  21. Pandarilla

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    So great...
     
  22. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    Self Martyrdom takes some act of feeling "butt hurt". Those who live in glass houses.............
     
  23. djphinfan

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    no Miss Abbi its not..I respect what you say here, but I will add this, I do the same thing you do in terms of timelines and what is fair to each situation..I guess were just worlds apart as to when it is accurate to come out with criticism and the proper timing of it.
     
  24. NaboCane

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    You may not have meant anything by this, and knowing you that's probably the case. But this is how **** starts; no one has any business forming an analysis OF A FELLOW SITE MEMBER, nor characterizing his opinion or how he formed it.

    If your argument can't stand on its merit without having to demean another's point of view or motivations for thinking as he does, then it's an argument not worth its own weight.
     
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  25. Abbi Normal

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    Very funny

    I can see him saying

    OK folks we put together an outstanding menu, we got that top shelf canned Chief Boy Ar' D and the Miracle white bread with garlic powder sprinkled on top their going to love it....

    Come on staff lets get excited ........hey throw on some real processed cheese and wash it down with some orange and aqua cool aid

    You know it reminds me of the movie, glad he ate her were the peasant fans get fed to the lions.....patriots....and buffalo's, chargers etc etc.......

    Now team remember Think positive show alot of confidence and excitement and we will have the customers dancing with joy all the way home til they finally end up puking in the bathroom after they've totally realized what they've been ingesting....
     
  26. MonstBlitz

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  27. Abbi Normal

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    DJ ...honey it's going on 4 YEARS

    With all the stuff thats gone on from a lack of ST last year game plans , 2 min drill, old hard headed philosophical approach, lack of solid OL offensive players picked up this off season to name a few and 4 years in the making.............
    How Much Time Do You Need ????????????????????

    And again just a reminder to try and see the exposure of weak areas as not negative but as a positive thing so they can be acknowledged understand and overhauled for the real growth and success of the team....Theres a time to stop with all the excuses and 4 years should do it in my book........
     
  28. JMHPhin

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    Sounds alot like Failing Forward Fast. Just sayin

    You know the saying Beauty is in teh eye of teh beholder? Same goes for objectivity. If you believe negativity equates objective analysis, go for it. The WHOLE point is objectivity factors everything in teh equation, not picking and choosing what has significance to you. The subjectivity comes in when you pigeon whole what you use to define your argument.
     
  29. djphinfan

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    were not robots here, we all paint pictures here about each other , I wasn't being disrespectful, I was stating that when a poster includes in their opinion about the current regime and team that they are just ''tired of it it"', or ''fed up'' with the decades of losing and losing, that's just how I characterize their opinion..someone who can't let the past go to accurately judge the present and future..

    If I said anything out of bounds I apologize, I wasn't being malicious..
     
  30. JMHPhin

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    this i dont get. Do you believe if you point out what YOU consider a weakness, Sparano and Ireland are gonna read it, then fix it? Are they gonna ask your advice? Not picking but exactly what are you gaining? what we say or any fan of any team matters nothing what is said on a board. Things dont change because fans on a board say so. frankly I would have absoilutely no faith in this organ if they came on this board saw what a fan said was wrong and then acted according top what the fan said should be doen even tho they didnt believe it.
     
  31. Abbi Normal

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    what ?
     
  32. JMHPhin

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    reading that post made me think of that speach Csam Cameron made where he said mistakes and failures were a good thing because success came from failures he called failing forward. We failed forward fast that year.

    basically call it what you want it is a pessimistic view point wiothout acknowledging any improvement
     
  33. djphinfan

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    Were gonna dance in circles here abbi, but the 4th year has not transpired, and yet you judge them accordingly as a regime with that tone in your opinion...What I mean is, I believe you have to account for weaknesses being transparent when rebuilding a franchise from the gutter..because of their success and record and what my conclusions tell me, this 4th year is an important year for them to show their progression as a team, its got to look better overall, with better results...

    When this regime took over, we all looked at our situation, and it was my opinion that this clearly was a 4 year rebuild to show a team that would be built for the longterm.
     
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    So why do we have these forums.....to express opinions ........

    You get a whole fan base that doesn't accept mediocrity and I'll bet that would get some attention.........But ultimately your right we are all just spinning our wheels in here............

    So you'd have no faith right back at you who cares............
     
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    You could extrapolate that to excuse any behavior, and that's not acceptable.

    Like a mod on the site is fond of saying, and I paraphrase: "If I want to talk about Abbi, I'll go to the Abbi forum. We're here to talk about the team."
     
  36. JMHPhin

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    Oh I agree with that. It is just the affect change, to faciltate improvement comments. We have no control over that. Basically it is up to the team to put the right people from pres, Gm, coaches and players in place to bring about teh change to make us winners. We can point sh*t out all day it doesnt matter to bringing about change. Many on these board and other boards have clamoured for years to invest highly in a qb, that we needed to go all out and get the qb not just band aid approach, that didnt stop them. Not just this regime, all regimes since Don. Marino is the last qb we spent a #1 on. Is it coincidence that the qbs then didnt work? Henne I like and think he is teh best qb with thye most upside we drafted or signed or traded for, but he wasnt a finished product and was not developed coached like he needed to be.

    Anyway the point is, absolutely express your opinion, and noone should try to change it. If you consider points and chgange it so be it, but the boards IMO arent for convincing others you are right and they are wrong, it is to do exactly what you said, to discuss viewpoints and opinions.

    I will say that sometimes I think it wouldnt hurt if the team actually read some iddeas. But in the end we have to remember these guys are not dumb. They do know the game better than we do, or atleast better than I.
     
  37. Abbi Normal

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    So tell me DJ say just looking at the more resent moves in the draft and free agency this year (yr4) ...Are you pleased with the moves and satisfied that our organization has strengthen the offense an area going into this season of major upgrade sufficiently ?
     
  38. JMHPhin

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    I am not DJ but my 2 cents is we have upgraded alot of positions, I think our wr are stout this year, Gates appears to be the real deal. Long is teh best in teh game. Fasano isnt the best but he isnt the worst.

    1st 2 years they focused majorily on a defense that is perennial top 10
     
  39. Abbi Normal

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    Thats all I'm trying to do...Then you get people that ask why are you so negative whats the purpose of your post ...christ just read it and discuss the topic good or bad . I try to stay on topic but a few are uncomfortable and bring in their own agenda, and turning the topic into a personal banter.........it happens all the time ....
     
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    I'll be honest with you: I don't like the style nor substance of a lot of your posts. But I'm not gonna sit here and ascribe motives for what you think or say, and we're not here to talk about you...NOR are we here to talk about any other site members.

    If I could say one thing to you personally, I'd say that if you stay above the fray, you'll fare much better.
     

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