I can't think of any second round QB pic, from any team, who had "Savior" expectations or, has gone through anywhere near as much as Henne. Am I wrong?
If Henne had a game like Sanchez did against the Giants he would have been destroyed. Snachez played into the third quarter and I think he had 65 yards a lost fumble and a TD and Jests fans attitude is, it's only pre season.
Thanks, Raf. I created a thread about this a while back after re-watching every 2010 snap Ryan took....... and I was laughed out of the building b/c apparently my eyes don't work so good and I'm just a big ole "excuse maker" who doesn't understand that Ryan is actually an elite QB responsible for all the Falcons' wins rather than a good QB who was placed in a situation highly conducive for success. I argued that, when Henne is in an equally beneficial environment, the difference between he and Matt is much slighter than many people realize. When Atlanta played as poorly as Miami did, Ryan's play was consistent with Henne's. The most significant difference I could see was Ryan was subjected to far fewer of these situations, while Henne was in far fewer advantageous ones. In Ryan, I saw a QB who was winning with his team. In Henne, I saw a QB who was all too often asked to win in spite of his team. Ryan, Flacco, and Freeman showed as little ability as Henne to elevate their team during a struggling period or flat game. Yet for some reason those guys get credit for their TEAMS' wins while Henne receives the brunt of the blame when the TEAM loses as if a 2nd year starting QB is a failure b/c he's not performing like a 7th year Manning. IMO, it's a team game, and unless your QB is Manning or Brady, you typically win as a team and lose as a team. Did Schaub have a terrible season last year with Arian Foster destroying the NFL & Andre Johnson as his WR? No. He had a great year. What was his record again? Chargers had the #1 yardage defense allowing only 271 YPG and Rivers threw for 4700 yards & 30 TDs, yet they still didn't make the playoffs. What are people's excuses for the games that Atlanta, Baltimore, and TB lost b/c their QBs couldn't pick up the slack during a tough game? If Atlanta played at least 11+ solid games as a team, then Ryan should be expected to win those 11+ games. If TB played 10 great games as a team, then Freeman should be able to win those 10 games. Ditto for Flacco. How many games did these QBs win when their respective team wasn't playing well? Not many. How many games last year did Miami play well as a team? 5 or 6 maybe?
I think the perfect example is Jim Plunkett. He had every reason to give up but he didn't and finally found success late in his career winning two Super Bowls and being named MVP of his first Super Bowl victory. Many called him a bust early in his career. The Patriots drafted him #1 in the first round of the 1971. The Patriots gave up on him in drafting Steve Grogan in 1975 and traded him to the 49ers in 1976. In 1978 the 49ers released him. The Raiders picked him up and he was a reserve for two years. In 1980 Dan Pastorino fractured his leg in the 5th game of the season and Plunkett came off the bench after only throwing 15 passes the previous two years. He led the Raiders to nine victories in eleven games and made the playoffs as a wild card team. He helped the raiders to four playoff victories including the first-ever victory by a wild card team in the Super Bowl, for which he was named the MVP. He again was called off the bench after Marc Wilson was injured in 1983 and again led the Raiders to a Super Bowl victory.
Read this today on ESPN Fantasy article by Matthew Berry about Henne: "Last season, Joe Flacco attempted 489 passes. Chad Henne attempted 490. Of those, Flacco had 320 catchable balls (per Stats LLC). And Henne? 321 catchable balls."
SD has special teams meltdowns that cost their team wins, and fans & the media properly blame the special teams for the losses rather than their 5th year QB. Miami has special teams meltdowns that cost us multiple games, and 2nd year Henne is scapegoated for not being able to "overcome it".
If Henne had 30 touchdowns and 13 intercpetions and a rating of 101.8 then Henne would have not shouldered as much blame.
Yeah and beating Minn. and the Pack (SB Champs) on the road shows nothing either, it was the other players on the team that got those wins.
One of the reasons that I thought so much of the criticism was unfair is that the critics pretended that the "great" QBs didn't do the same things. In many cases the "great" QBs did more often and weren't making any more plays on their own than Henne. The teams of those QBs may have won more, but the actual QB play was often not any better. This is not to say that Henne is great b/c I don't believe that, but rather that the difference between many of the QBs that are deemed at least good enough is the situation rather than the QB talent. And I agree that few people have really looked lost. I think that Daboll (with the help of Henne's off-season workouts) has done a very good job of installing a new offense in a short time frame. It hasn't been perfect, but I see fewer mistakes than in any of the other teams that installed new offenses and really no more than most of the teams bringing back the same offense.
If you want to live rotissierie go to baseball, its a stats league. Football wins and losses are a team stat not an individual stat. Henne contributed to his share in the losses, and may not have been responsible for all the wins. Last year he wasnt good enough, doesnt mean he wont be this year
he was anything but dreadful, some bone headed picks but he showed he will be a good one in that first year already
I think it was his rookie year that our pass rush really beat him up. I seem to recall Lorenzo Bromell putting a forearm across his facemask and driving the front of his helmet down across the bridge of his nose and it was bleeding pretty good, but Manning stayed in. I remember a few late clutch passes by Marino winning the game for us, but Dan took some shots too, and that game may have the one that brought about the decline in his arm strength. Like he got a pinched nerve in the right shoulder from a hit he took, where the pass was completed down the right sideline, but Dan never seen it because he was flat on his back after a very hard hit. He got up wincing and kind of moving his shoulder around like it was bothering him, but the rest of that game the results were not effected.
This thread is no joke, unintentional or otherwise. It was not intended to say how good or bad Henne has been or will be. The intent was to show that the guy went through a lot since being drafted in the 2nd round, and did not quit in any sense of the word. He did not have to lead lockout workouts and teach others the playbook. who would have blamed him if he chose not to? Yet, he did, and he is a better QB for doing so, and our team is better for his doing so. He was a 2nd round pick. IMO, hope and support would have been more advised than the expectations and constant blasting he received. How many other 2nd round QB's have done as well? How many are starting? How many are even backups? I appreciate what he has done for OUR football team, and thought it was worth mentioning.
I believe your intent was to continue to polarize the fanbase, which I guess some here consider entertaining. I wouldn't have brought it up, but you opened the door as to your intent. Otherwise the title and tone of your original post wouldn't have been so derisive.
