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A J Edds claimed by Patriots.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by smahtaz, Sep 6, 2011.

  1. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    He was decent but far from the most effective I've ever seen.
     
  2. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I did.
     
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  3. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Yes they did. We lost him from our PS to the Saints, his 2nd stint there. The Pats signed him after the Saints cut him the next offseason.

    A lot of us though were shocked when he was waived by the Dolphins rather than Moses. Probably many of the same people who were shocked Spitler was kept rather than Edds.
     
  4. Tin Indian

    Tin Indian Rockin' The Bottom End Club Member

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    Why am I not surprised.:tantrum:
     
  5. rtamigo

    rtamigo Season Ticket Holder

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    Team Captain on Monday; working for UPS in October.
     
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  6. SoCalPhinatic

    SoCalPhinatic New Member

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    Talk about going from "hoping he's the next superstar LB" to "wishing he's another bust" in a matter of a few days. But, nah he did show some promise out there. He hasn't proven it, yet, during the regular season. So it's waaaaay to early to know whether he's a proven commodity or just overhyped. I guess we'll know soon enough.
     
  7. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    Whatever happened to JD Folsom? The other LB from that year.
     
  8. SCPhinFan

    SCPhinFan Junior Member

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    Billacheat is getting as much info as he can from Edds regarding our gameplan for the Pats. Hell, the way Sparano has talked, we have been preparing for the Pats since the 1st day of camp.
     
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  9. finsincebirth

    finsincebirth Well-Known Member

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    We have. Sparano said as much.

    Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk
     
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  10. gandalfin

    gandalfin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Edds showed a lot of promise at times, however he looked much better in the first two preseason games than the last two. Granted, he's only one guy, but Dallas amassed a lot of yards moving up and down the field mostly with short to intermediate passes over the middle. He got beat quite often in that game.

    Be that as it may, I was not happy he was cut as he is the kind of player that can be developed. He'll be in a good system for that now.
     
  11. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    It's my opinion that statements like this leave me questioning a poster's evaluation ability and/or understanding of the developmental process.

    According to the logic of your post, a majority of NFL rookies, including highly drafted players, should be cut b/c many of them, too, have yet to show they can do what they were drafted for at this early of a juncture.

    IMO it's also irrational of you to expect a player who's been out for a year to jump in and play like a veteran. Edds was touted as a quality coverage LB out of Iowa. Since when did teams start tossing away promising 4th round players without them even seeing a regular season game?
     
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  12. 5thAmendment

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    When they have better players already on the roster. I don't know if Spitler is better, but the FO seems to think so. It's not like either guy was going to see the field on defense anyway, so give me whoever the better ST guy is and let's ride. It's not like we cut our starting safeties (Sanders/Meriweather), best pass rusher (Banta-Cain) or lead KO return man (Tate).

    INOW I think our D will do just fine w/o Mr. Edds.
     
  13. aesop

    aesop Well-Known Member

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    Or starting QB for that matter..
     
  14. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    Probably a veterinarian right now or whatever he went to school for.
     
  15. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    There's nothing wrong with believing that, however, there should be an understanding when you invest a 4th round pick on a player that he'll need more than a preseason to show himself. Look at how much time we've invested in Spitler just to get him to being a bubble player, and it's not like Edds was a rookie FA.

    It just seems like we're sacrificing long term gain for temporary, short term reward (and I say "reward" very loosely, like broken rubber band loosely).
     
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  16. aesop

    aesop Well-Known Member

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    Dansby, Burnett, Wake, Misi.

    Which one of these guys is he realistically challenging for a starting spot the next couple years?
     
  17. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    "Challenging"? Why does he have to challenge them? What about Spitler? Who is he challenging? What is Spitler's worth to other teams? What is Edds worth in a few years when he's had time to develop?

    2 years from now, Edds has a greater chance of being a starting caliber LB should Dansby or Burnett become injured...... and a few years from now he poses more potential value to other teams regarding trade bait IMO.

    IMO the only thing separating Spitler from Edds is Austin has had more time to develop. If you take away this developmental advantage, I'd be highly surprised if Edds were still the one released. I'd rather ditch one of our TEs than Edds. Out of all our young developing guys, I don't believe he's the least talented of the bunch with the lowest potential.
     
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  18. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    The coaches do some prep ahead of time for Week 1, but not the players. The players get the gameplan on Wednesdays.

    In reality, neither Edds nor Allen know anything about our gameplan for this week. And they sure wouldn't have received a copy of the offensive one. Coaches know full well that players they cut in camp could end up with a division rival. They don't install the entire playbook in camp and they don't practice everything. The audibles have already been changed for this week, just like they will every week thereafter.

    Conversely, the Patriots faced Nolan's defense twice last year. Edds and Allen aren't going to be telling them anything they don't already have on film.

    It's business as usual, and a bit overrated by us the fans. The Patriots are basically the same offense. We're basically the same defense. Our offense is a helluva lot different than their defense will be. And Edds and/or Will Allen's potential effect on that will be microscopic at best. As would Will Yeatman on their offense or defense.
     
  19. ToddsPhins

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    Considering the new KO rule, you want the better ST guy over the better LB?

    Sanders was a cap casualty and injury risk, which Edds is not.
    Meriweather was a headache, which Edds is not.
    Tate's value drops significantly b/c of the new KO rule. (which also means Spitler's value should drop some as well, not Edds')
    Banta-Cain is a 30 year old, one year wonder who was owed $4.5 mil this season despite starting it with abdominal surgery. Not Edds either.
     
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  20. PhinGeneral

    PhinGeneral PC Texas A&M, Bro Club Member

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    This. Teams may try to squeeze a little information out of players, but it's almost never enough or substantial enough to make much, if any, difference. Pat Kirwin on Sirius mentions this from time to time. Fans have a tendency to romanticize these sort of shenanigans to unrealistic levels.
     
  21. ncdolfan

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    From what we've seen so far, Reggie Bush has not disappointed.....also should give them credit for Jimmy Wilson and the fact he made the team as a 7th round pick. Pouncey is the starting center - Daniel Thomas and Clay haven't wowed anyone yet, but have not been busts either. Ireland has done OK this offseason - at least from what we can tell at this point. The biggest issue on this team was a lack of speed and that has been addressed in several positions (Gates, Burnett, Bush, Rosario).

    And if Henne plays well - that counts as a hit for the move they didn't make. Hopefully, he'll use some of the cap room they have left to tie up some of the younger veterans long-term (such as Kendall Langford).
     
  22. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    well said Muck, We may very well catch them off guard.
     
  23. TotoreMexico

    TotoreMexico Your retarded

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    But, but, but he was claimed by the cheatriots, so he must be a future HOF :001_rolleyes:
     
  24. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Sanders hasn't been a regular full time starter since 2008. Chung and Meriweather were the main starters at safety in 2010 with 13 each. Sanders started 9 games, which means they opened in a nickel package a few times with 3 safeties. Jarrad Page started 1 game too, so it appears they opened with 3 safeties, 4 times. They opened with 3 corners, 2 times.
     
  25. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I agree. I would not consider it logical to expect a player who is essentially a rookie in his first training camp to already be able to pass cover like a veteran. I do not understand how anyone could expect a fully developed product in Edds at this point. He made some plays in coverage, enough to make one think that he has enough talent to work with. He showed to me that he is alert, active and aware.
    As for keeping Spitler for being better on STs, I saw the two of them covering kicks about equally at best. Certainly saw nothing from Spitler either on defense or STs that made him stand out in a positive way.
     
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  26. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    The Buccaneers released Folsom on July 29, 2011. No other team signed him, though I suppose one could. He still has PS eligibility.
     
  27. ToddsPhins

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    Not to mention, even if Spitler "is" the better Special Teamer, is it wise to place more emphasis on ST duties over LB potential considering the new kick off rule?
     
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  28. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    If they kept Spitler for his STs play, one expect him to be active every week. Do we usually have 9 lbs active for most games? Seems more like 8 to me. Who ya gonna make inactive then? Ike? Trusnik? Mitchell? Our supposedly promising young STs maven won't even be dressed for many games, barring injuries. At least with Edds, one has something more unique to develop, a lb who can cover. 2 down run stuffers, and in Spitler's case, one would use the term "run stuffer" very loosely, are a dime a dozen.
     
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  29. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I don't care about Edds going to the Pats so much as the fact we lost him altogether. I'd have preferred him going to the NFC if we had to let him go, so we wouldn't have to play against him much, because IMO he is going to develop into a solid starter down the road.
     
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  30. jazz

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    i hope the dolphins fitted edds with a special device that lets us listen to their meetings. :shifty:

    although knowing how the patriots operate, they already beat us to the punch with yeatman. lol
     
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  31. ToddsPhins

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    Yeah Marve, I just don't get it. The Pats have Gronk & Hernandez and we ditch one of the best coverage LBs from the 2010 draft for a special teamer?

    Seriously, Spitler was the 4th to last pick of the 2010 draft who had 4 total tackles for the entire season. I have a hard to impossible time imagining Edds not making a greater contribution if he were healthy in 2010. Not to mention Edds was taken 143 spots ahead of Spitler (in the same draft) for a reason, yet we cut him before he sees a regular season snap. I'm dumbfounded about it.
     
  32. ToddsPhins

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    I could be wrong, but I had him pegged as a legitimate potential starter, and not the kind of starter that you're constantly looking to upgrade. Heck, even our guy, Drew, from HuddleHouse had him listed as a first round talent with pro-bowl potential. His partner in crime is starting for the Colts, and I thought Edds was nearly as good at his job as Angerer was his. I was a huge fan of Angerer's, too.
     
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  33. Califin

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    If Ireland was perceptive enough to evaluate Edds potential as a prospect, would translate into a productive player,
    I'll grant him the leeway, and trust his sense to evaluate which of his players, will transcend to productive playmakers.
     
  34. ToddsPhins

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    well, his initial assessment was to use a 4th round pick on Edds while using a late 7th on Spitler <in the same draft>.

    We've yet to see Edds play during the regular season, so what gives? lol.


    Edds: 2010 4th rounder (has only played in preseason).
    Spitler: 2010 7th rounder (bubble player with 4 tkls in 2010 & had an entire season of play to help gain an experience advantage over Edds).
     
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  35. Califin

    Califin Well-Known Member

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    I'm basing that "trust" only on eventual outcome, and results, given the possibility his reasons may be completely valid, but undisclosed or reported.
    Otoh, he may have simply had a personality conflict with him, but if the move eventually proves to our demise, any future leeway granted from my behalf will equally diminish,

    ...with extra demerits levied on this one for glaring flagrancy.
     
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  36. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Heck, I'm just a simple country boy and so I'm not really sure if I agree with what you said, since you wax so eloquently with a lot of fancy words, but as it sounds so good how you say it, I'll be right glad to fist pump ya fer it. Jest the way we do back home in the mountains. :up: :yes:
     
  37. Stringer Bell

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    Nobody asked him to play like a veteran. But that doesn't mean there aren't expectations of him, or a rookie. The coaches have been clear in what they expected out of him. They have said that they expected him to make an immediate contribution as a coverage LB, while they develop the rest of his game. From what I saw in the preseason, IMO you can't put him on the field in a coverage role at this point. Now I'm sure a lot of it has to do with his injury, but you can't red-shirt him for another year on the roster.
     
  38. Stringer Bell

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    Angerer has been pretty awful in Indy.

    He was thrown at 33 times last season, allowed 30 completions, and a 120 QBR against.
     
  39. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Patriots have been doing this to us since Keith ****in Byars... :pity:
     

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