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The Lions building a better team then Miami

Discussion in 'SoapBox - Rants forum' started by jpep13, Sep 13, 2011.

  1. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    I want wins as much as anyone, I do not think it is a good idea to get there by dumping the regime every 3 years. That is what losers do.
     
  2. DolfanJake

    DolfanJake Banned

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    Trust me, there will be people here still praising Sparano & Ireland. As unbeliveable as it sounds, yes there will be those here.
     
  3. DolfanJake

    DolfanJake Banned

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    It will be 4 years for this regime if they finish this year. So how many more do you expect to give them ? Mr. Ross already lost 16,000 season ticket holders this off season, how many more season ticket holders do you expect him to lose before he thinks its time to show the fan base he cares ? This is a business after all....
     
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  4. hazed819

    hazed819 Well-Known Member

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    2 words "Andrew Luck"
     
  5. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    So we dump them and then in 2 or 3 years we are having the same conversation
     
  6. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Not if you make the right choice.

    Parcells choosing Sparano over Rex Ryan because Sparano was his guy. Isn't that what happened?
     
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  7. DolfanJake

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    So we should keep them and have the same conversation every year ? We have to get lucky, like New England did, on one of the regime changes and get someone in here that is competent. So we should stick with the present regime because we know what we get ? C'mon dude :lol:
     
  8. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    I never thought Parcells was the right choice. I think that Sparano and Ireland will be much better without him. I think that most of the talent we have now was the result of Ireland and that the most notable busts were on Parcells.
     
  9. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Would we?

    We have someone who is competent.

    I think we should stick with the present regime because they are decent and could improve.

    I do think there is a better chance that what is being built here could turn into something than keeping on blowing something up with the hope that they get lucky.
     
  10. DolfanJake

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    Or is that what you want to believe ? To me Sparano & Ireland are an extention of the big fat Tuna, and by proxy he is in a way still running the team. I wish the whole Parcells stink to be gone out of Davie, and the sooner the better.
     
  11. Stringer Bell

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    "Because Sparano was his guy" means what exactly? That he thought he was a better coach?
     
  12. DolfanJake

    DolfanJake Banned

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    Tell that to Mr. Ross, and his shrinking season ticket base. He is starting to bleed money on this investment, and that is never a good thing for the regime in place. They lose next Sunday, and Mr. Ross I believe will be starting to explore replacements for Sparano. Will he do it in the open like last year ? I doubt it, but I will bet the house the search committees start to be formed if we lose that game.
     
  13. Stringer Bell

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    Why try to be NE? Why not try to be NYG or BAL? Keep moving in the right direction, and hope that one of these years everything comes together and we make a run???
     
  14. Stringer Bell

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    How much money is Ross losing exactly?
     
  15. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Then everything will be destroyed and unless Miami gets lucky you are going to be here b#$#$ing in two years about Cowher.
     
  16. DolfanJake

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    Because he was someone that Parcells was familiar with. He worked with him in Dallas. He never worked with Ryan before that I know of. Parcells did what his conservative nature told him to do, GO SAFE with what he knew. Its the same reason that Dan Henning was here, it was his friendship with the Tuna.
     
  17. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    So you prefer to keep them and remain mediocre? It was the previous owner who hired Parcells, Ireland, and Sparano. It is now time for Ross to show that he really wants to build a winner in Miami. To do this he needs to get rid of the staff he inherited from Huizenga and bring in a GM and head coach who can bring back pride to the Dolphins organization. Owners who buy sports teams owe it to the fans to do everything they can to put a winning team on the field. So far Ross has done absolutely nothing to show he is the least bit interested in turning this organization into a winner. He seems more interested in bringing in celebrities to the stadium than in bringing Super Bowl caliber players to the team.

    He didn't hire Ireland and Sparano and since they have failed to provide a championship caliber team, he needs to fire them. If in three years we are again having this same same discussion about another head coach and GM. So be it. At least it will have shown that Ross was at least interested in bringing in a new coach and GM in an effort to change the mediocre ways of the present administration.

    The thought of Sparano and Ireland still being here after this season, much less 2 or 3 years from now, makes me physically ill.
     
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  18. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    And Rex Ryan went crazy and only hired coaches who he didn't know.
     
  19. DolfanJake

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    Presently, we aren't like any of them. Baltimore did make a change in 2008 by the way.
     
  20. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    I prefer to win games and build something. There are problems with the team, however it is not like they are not fixable.

    And everything else you wrote is pretty much emotional garbage and has nothing to do with reality.
     
  21. DolfanJake

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    well lets see......16,000 season ticket holders X 10 games = A lot of lost (guaranteed) revenue.
     
  22. DolfanJake

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    If Cowher comes, he gets more time. His SB ring buys him that luxury.
     
  23. Stringer Bell

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    They didn't change their GM.

    I do agree though, we currently look much better than the Giants.
     
  24. Stringer Bell

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    That doesn't really say much of anything regarding the franchise's overall finances though.
     
  25. DolfanJake

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    Then fix them. Its been 4 years, do it or Mr. Ross needs to move on.

    Oh brother, you have nothing to come back at him with, so you go low and take a personal shot ? Man that is trolling.
     
  26. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    You can see it as nothing to come back with, however this idea that Ross hasn't done anything to prove he wants to build a winner? That is not based in reality.

    Plus you do not know what trolling is, if you think that is trolling.
     
  27. DolfanJake

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    All those teams also do have the luxury of having a large % of their fan base that can remember them winning a Super Bowl in their lifetime. With our team, unless you are over 38 years old, you can't say that.
     
  28. Dolphins1Beatles

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    I don't think the AFC East is tougher...Packers and Bears played in the NFC Championship game, Pack won the Super Bowl. Equally tough division. Bears are so underrated, they are better than the Jets.

    As of now, The Lions are just as good if not better than the Dolphins though. And they beat us. Things can change though if the Phins defense can handle the Texans and Chargers.
     
  29. Stringer Bell

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    I'm not sure how you can criticize anyone currently involved with the organization for anything that happened pre-2008. Its not even the same owner.
     
  30. DolfanJake

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    ?!?!?!? Are you kidding me ?!?!?!? Less season tickets, less exposure, no real Superstars (with the possible exception of Bush) all mean less revenue. Are you just arguing to argue ?
     
  31. DolfanJake

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    His ideas of how to run the team, are vastly different than most teams around the league. The celebrity owners exactly do what for this team ? The orange carpets do exactly what ? Club Liv does what to help us win games ? Gator player & fan reunions that piss off a large number of your season ticket holders do exactly what to make this a winner on the field ?

    And yes, taking personal shots at someone is trolling.
     
  32. Stringer Bell

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    No, I'm just curious, as you seem to know about the team's finances. What are operating expenses? How much revenue has been generated from LIV? Theres a lot more than ticket sales that will have an effect. Mr. Ross is a smart guy, I'm sure he made the proper adjustments to remain profitable.
     
  33. DolfanJake

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    That is really splitting hairs dude. They take on the good and the bad when they accept the mantle of owner & coach.
     
  34. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    No, taking a personal shot is not trolling. You have no idea what trolling is.

    Also everything you wrote doesn't make any sense. (is that also a personal shot? I do not want to upset you.)
     
  35. texasPHINSfan

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    If we had that many top draft picks in a row, we'd have the best o-line in the NFL! :lol:

    Not unless you were watching as a fetus. You'd have to assume the person was at least 6 or 7 years old at the time to be an actual football fan. Let's say the person must be at least 44 years old to remember :up:
     
  36. DolfanJake

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    You're just trolling now. :lol: Less season tickets means less revenue, and you know it. Besides they have come out and said it :lol: I guess you missed those arguments around the time they announced the Tim Tebow Love Fest Day ? Mike Dee coming out and saying that people aren't buying tickets and they needed to try to get people into the games ? Have you forgotten that ? :lol:
     
  37. electrolyte

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    I don't know why so many Dolphin fans don't get it......

    QB = most important position on the team.

    Franchise QB = Super bowl contenders.

    The only exception to stuff like this is anomalies like Trent Dilfer who got to ride the greatest NFL player ever in Ray Lewis and the Ravens D that one year...... stuff like that...

    but mostly. no Franchise QB? No success.

    and picking in the lottery = highest chance of success in acquiring a franchise QB. Trying to bargain bin shop for a QB in the later rounds (EDIT : read : later picks not in lottery) simply because Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady exist means the Dolphins will suck for the next 20 years or more.
     
  38. DolfanJake

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    Oh and Stringer do you know that any revenues that he makes at Liv are going back into the team ? I doubt it, since its a separate corporation that owns Liv, and there would be tax issues regarding that. But you seem to think that is happening, I guess.......
     
  39. texasPHINSfan

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    Oh Aaron Rodgers - what a diamond in the rough at pick 24!
     
  40. DolfanJake

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    Very true, but I was being on the safe side. Maybe we have some genius posters here who could remem........ummmmm, nah, nix that idea. :lol:
     

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