So you ignored what I said about how PFF rated him, but when their ratings support your opinion, I seem to recall you quoting them. Also, the long returns are part of his body of work and his average. I always have found it rather ridiculous when anyone evaluating any player wants to quote their average minus the long returns, as if the long returns do not count. When he wasn't breaking a long one, he was still usually getting out past the 20, when he had any blocking at all. I remember many returns too though when he'd be greeted by 4-6 defenders basically unblocked, around the 15. No one, even the great Pat Cobbs, can be effective with no blocking whatsoever. The thing with Ginn was if he got any kind of blocking, he was capable of breaking it. If you want to believe our return game is better off now minus Ginn, ok, you are entitled to your opinion. I am just of a different opinion. I was never happy to see him get traded for a 5th rounder. There were a handful of us here who wanted to see him kept as a 3rd or 4th receiver/return man, and that small group included me. So, we can just agree to disagree. Nothing I saw will change your mind and nothing you say will change mine. You can believe you are right and I will believe I am. So go the days of our lives as Dolphins fans.
Well any way you look at it Ginn is much more valuable than Nolan Carrol. Holy **** I hope I read Carrol has been released tomorrow.
If the return game is what worried you most last night, then you need to open your eyes. /Gates had a solid return that called back on a flag that occurred on the other side of the field.
Ginn is a pure return man. One of the very traits that makes him a bad receiver (unduly scared of contact) makes him a good return man. The idea of returning kicks is to run away from everybody as elusively and quickly as possible. When you ask him to do only that, you play to his one strength. But there is no question that he has to be evaluated on his season average. The kicking game is about field position. Very few kicks are taken back all the way. If the field position he gives you over the season is below average, you can't justify a roster spot for a pure return man who takes one to the house once in a blue moon. So a fifth? I'd do it again today.
Please refresh me here, honestly don't have any idea what you're talking about. It's not as if I'm dissecting a quality body of work here and picking it apart- Taken on the absolute face of what he has done, Ginn is not a very good returner. That's not to mention that sort of my fundamental point was that Ginn is, outside of his very rare touchdowns, awful. How is that in any way tilting the argument in my favor when it's explicitly been my argument from the begging? Anecdotal and not supported by what he actually did. Very rarely did Ginn actually have an average yardage per return. Go check it out.
Now stop getting excited and remember how many first downs he cost us which could have put us in better positions to compete for a win. I'll never forget the play where he ran out of bounds less than a yard from the first down marker and a defender was about 5 yards away.
