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That was one of the WORST performances I have ever seen by a Free Safety.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Robert Horry, Sep 13, 2011.

  1. rdhstlr23

    rdhstlr23 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Good call, Section126. They had Gronkowski bracketed really in essence. Sapp followed him until he makes his cut in the shallow area, where Smith picks him up from there. That pass was thrown right into the heart of where we should have been able to make the play.

    I think that was all due to poor conditioning. The Patriots went no huddle right down the field and our players were dog tired. When you're dog tired, you don't think as quickly, you don't communicate, everything goes wrong. That's what happened. But, you're right, that's a play where we should have defended that TD.
     
  2. arsenal

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    I put Welkers big TD squarely on Jones, took a horrendous angle towards welker, looks like he diagnosed the play right but just came way under... i dont get it... a safety plays that right and its a pick

    he took some bad angles in preseason too... maybe the kids just not ready

    Plus Bell mentioned that Clemons was a better communicator, and last night with that hurry up, thats exactly what we needed... his injury better not be anything that keeps him as the backup for an extended period of time
     
  3. rdhstlr23

    rdhstlr23 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Also, just a few points of note.

    To the poster that said a QB should never throw for 500 yards on us. Drew Brees threw for over 400 against the Packers. Tony Romo threw for almost 400 against the Jets. Tom Brady torched this Jets team the same way last year as he did us last night. When you play the best QB's in the league, the chances of that can always happen.

    Also, this wasn't even close to the worst performance from a Free Safety I've seen. Not for the Dolphins. Hell, not even against the Patriots.

    In 2007, when they came into Miami and dismantled us that was worse. Renaldo Hill was owned, then tore up his knee. Some white dude behind him (ST's "ACE") came in and got owned by Moss & tore up his knee. I mean it was crazy. They just threw deep the entire game and put up 49 I think on us.
     
  4. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    what about the rest of his game?
     
  5. Fin D

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    It was pretty bad play from the free safety.....

    ....and the strong safety


    ....and the cornerbacks


    ....and the the linebackers


    ....and the d-line


    Why are we singling out the free safety when the entire defense dropped a steaming deuce on the field? I wish the free safety was the problem, because fixing one player is easy. For crying out loud, not only did Brady de-pants, spank, and make violent *** love to our entire defense, but they made Woodhead look like he was built by football scientists with DNA pulled from Sweetness, LT and Adrian Peterson.

    I have to believe the defense was gassed. You don't go from top 10 to a performance on par with our ST meltdown last year, unless the entire defense took up a 3 pack a day habit in the off season.

    We'll know for sure next week.
     
  6. Boik14

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    The secondary was terrible but as bad as they were, where the hell was the pass rush?!? I said in the offseason we needed a 2nd legitimate rusher across from Wake and that Misi should become a thumper inside and I think last night illustrated why. Wake got erased by Solder and no one else brought the heat with any regularity. Brady could have baked an apple pie back there, ate it and still had time to throw the ball. The front 7 was supposed to be the strength of this team and Mike Nolan was just outcoached the front seven underperformed.

    This isnt to say the secondary played great, they sucked too. But the blame falls on the front seven for not generating enough pressure and leaving our DB's in coverage for more then 3.5 seconds on many plays. I dont care if you have Nmandi, Revis, Samuel, and Woodson as your top 4 with Polamalu and Reed as your safeties...if you give a QB time he will find open receivers.
     
  7. Itsdahumidity

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    "I haven't seen a beatin' like that since somebody stuck a banana in my pants and turned a monkey loose."
    - cousin Eddie
     
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  8. cobrajet

    cobrajet Mr. Ross - sell the team!

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    I couldn't agree more. I posted immediately after the game last night the exact same thing. I have been *****ing about our failures in the Defensive Secondary since the end of last season and feel that that sector of the team has all but been ignored while we were revamping the offense. It's time to dump the old men, and get an honest to goodness full time coach for these guys. Todd Bowles has been splitting his time and his focus being an Assistant Head Coach and being the Secondary Coach and this WILL NOT cut it anymore.

    http://www.miamidolphins.com/team/coaches/todd-bowles/ddd5c619-dc39-49c9-b220-c000bfcaa193

    " a hunter who chases two rabbits will catch neither" . . . . Confucius

    We need fresh, young talent, we need to dump the old men and we need a full time secondary coach to fix these problems. All Brady did last night was expose what Bellicheat saw was our greatest weakness. They weren't that good, we are just that bad. If we intend on being a winning team, let alone a play off team THIS NEEDS TO CORRECTED AND RIGHT NOW. Brady did more than pick us apart, he also showed the whole league how to beat us on national TV. Rest assured, if this isn't fixed or addressed this will not be out only humiliation this year.
     
  9. texasPHINSfan

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    Was Dansby playing? ESPN said he was playing during the intros, but I never saw him
     
  10. arsenal

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    yeah I saw him bouncing off of Danny Woodhead, smh
     
  11. Onehondo

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    Its ironic that the media was talking about the heat and the humidity taking a toll on the patriots defense and it was our defense on their home field that got gassed and who's toll was taken. Prior to the game John Gruden was saying the Miami defense was top ten, but they looked more like bottom ten last night.
     
  12. texasPHINSfan

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    Isn't this a normal phenom of the Nolan defense? Strong in year one, then tapers off....

    Ask Pat Bowlen. He might know.
     
  13. texasPHINSfan

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    To be fair, I think the deficiencies from last night were 80% lack of conditioning, 20% down on skill
     
  14. Larryfinfan

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    Yeah, single high safety who takes a bad angle to the ONLY receiver in the secondary, then gets stiff armed...yeah, I blame the S in that case. Worst case scenario, had he done his job, it's a 15-20 yrd gain, not a 99 yrd TD...Yeah, I blame the S.
     
  15. sonn

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    Jones tried to bat the ball down. Sapp was the one who got beat and stiff armed. Every single member of the defense was awful last night I don't know how anyone can single out Jones and say he was the worst performer.
     
  16. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Sapp was supposed to have safety help. He had good coverage if the safety was there to help him.
     
  17. Southbeach

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    FWIW, from an individual standpoint, Jones was thrown at 4 times, giving up 2 catches for 9 yards, to go with 11 tackles and 2 assists, with 0 missed tackles. He should not have had to make all those tackles but, he did, and he was a lot better than Clemmons in individual coverage. As to communications, he's going up vs Mr Bill and a current MVP/HOF QB, who are running a no huddle for a team favored to be in the Super Bowl, in he second game starting.

    Give the kid a freakin break.
     
  18. Southbeach

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    Agreed. In the "Valley of the Blind Secondary" last night, he may have been the on with one eye. :)
     
  19. padre31

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    Not really, Nolan typically is middle tier or lower yr in and yr out, depending on the talent he has to work with, he has been a DefCord going into his 3rd season after his 49ers debacle, prior to that he was consistent with the ravens, less so with the Redskins and Jets, but that was 10-12 yrs ago.
     
  20. cobrajet

    cobrajet Mr. Ross - sell the team!

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    I think the media got what they wanted, the sacrificial lamb on Monday Night Football to show off Tom Brady. We had no business playing on Monday Night Football in the first place, our record over the last two years didn't justify it. The last two years we had the toughest schedule in the NFL and this year we were hogtied so Brady could make an example of us. All day long all I heard was how great Brady was, and no mention of how much improved Henne was from last year. All the media wanted to see was Brady, and nothing else. We used to set passing records, now we are the victim of them. Do you ever get the feeling that someone in the top brass of the NFL hates the Miami Dolphins? When will this $hit end?
     
  21. Conuficus

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    The some white guy was Cameron Worrell formerly of the Chicago Bears.
     
  22. MikeHoncho

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    Jones has no excuse, given the copious amounts of experience he has playing against HOF QBs.
     
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    What game was everyone seriously watching??? Yes, Brady is a HOF, but as a professional unit to give up 517 passing yards? A lot of completions were to wide open targets, our d-line couldn't get pressure on Brady, and just downright pee-wee tackling techniques. I know you guys saw numerous plays where Brady had so much time in the pocket, he was able to go through his progressions TWICE. I also felt it kind of embarrassing that the Dolphin's defense put on that kind of display on nationally televised Monday Night Football. I know everyone is saying that it's only 1 game and people are overreacting. But remember, its only a 16 game season and mistakes aren't corrected in only 1 week so the criticism should start now, not during mid-season.
     
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  24. cobrajet

    cobrajet Mr. Ross - sell the team!

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    Brother - you said a mouthful. I would also like to add that the Patriots were holding all over the Offensive Line without any calls. Especially the newbee, #77. Soldier was holding Cameron Wake so regularly I could have made a video compilation of it if I had the time. When you can hold like that can get away with it - no wonder Brady had so much time in the pocket. Re-watch the game and focus only on the Patriots offensive line and look at what they were doing with their hands. But hey, their the Patriots, they can get away with everything, and when they get caught nothing really happens to them. When Spygate was uncovered they should have investigated all of their superbowl wins. There is no way only one guy was in on it - buy hey, their the Patriots and the rules simply don't apply to them. All the simple minded fools at ESPN see, or care to see, is their man crush on Tom Brady. It's enough to make you wanna puke in your soup.
     
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  25. Paul 13

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    He got stiff armed? Really?? I need to rewatch that play again. I thought he didnt even get close to Welker.
     
  26. Paul 13

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    Went back and rewatched it, it was Sapp who gets stiff armed, not Jones. Jones was too close to the LOS to make a play on the angle. He reacted properly, just lined up incorrectly presnap. If he's three yards deeper, he picks off that pass. It's funny though. On a different play, if Jones intercepts that Brady pass on the goalline that was intended for their linebacker (#52) and returns it for a touchdown, this thread isn't created. He was really close to getting it. Closer than Clemons would have been.
     
  27. Larryfinfan

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    No offseason...you can't just put weight on by eating lots of burgers and fries and milk shakes and expect that to do anything but make you worse as a player...adding weight, the right kind of weight coupled with strength takes time (unless you juice it)...
     
  28. Southbeach

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    On the job as a whole with the cornerbacks “I mean they threw the ball for 500 and something yards last night I think. So nobody really in the back end played tremendously well. But there was some good performances back there. I think Reshad Jones did some good things during the course of that. He had 13 tackles or something like that. The guy tackled really well and when we really didn’t tackle good as a football team I mean that’s probably something you know certainly that we didn’t do a good enough job. They had 296 yards either after the catch or after contact, 99 of it on one play. Those are things that we got to do a better job of back there. I think different points of the game each one of those two guys, they’ve got plenty of things on film right now that they need to get better at before we get going this week.”

    On the safety’s help on the big plays “Well, on one of them, we took a bad angle…not a great angle, which was on the Wes (Welker) play…we try to go after the ball there and that was not just a great angle on that particular play… all that being said, you know, that wasn’t his man.”

    This is from Sparano in today's Sun
     
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    It was one of the worst performances by an entire coverage unit.
     

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