Wow. We're 0-2 and Henne Looks Great. I Eat the Crow.

I agree. There useful at times, but overrated.

 

I can absolutely agree that there were few, if any, better choices for the 2011 season available this off season.

However to sit here and pretend like a guy that has a 79 passer rating and has led his team to 15 points per game during non-garbage time, in two losing efforts, is just an unquestionably good player? Give me a break.

 

lol I say the same to you when Henne is your scapegoat for every bad thing that happens to this team.

Like I said, he's been nowhere near the reason we lost either game.

 

And as I've said, many times, there is not "the" reason we lost the game. There are only a myriad things that could be better that would have won the game. Chad Henne is one of those. And in this particular game, it wouldn't have been all that difficult to get better QB play, because he didn't play well.

Hope that clears things up for you so that you won't keep making statements that don't apply to what I've said.

 

Are you adjusting his passer rating for non-garbage time, or just the points scored?

 

There's always two sides to a stat. A good friend of mine a long time ago told me that stats are for losers. He explained to me and from then on, that's what I believe. QPR and all that, it's all crap.
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Dude, are you serious? You just said there were few, if any, better choices going into this year than Henne a post ago and now you're talking about how it wouldn't have been difficult to get better QB play? Please, you don't have to clear anything up for me.

 

Both. But it doesn't really matter. His total passer rating totally unadjusted is 79.3 and his passer rating adjusted with garbage time taken out is 79.4. Either way he's got a 79 passer rating, whether you adjust or don't adjust. And if you don't adjust period it just means he's led an offense that has scored 18.5 points per game and that's still pretty questionable especially if you consider that in the two games the RBs combined for 4.4 yards per carry.

I mean last week, what's the big complaint on offense, the reason we only scored 17 points during non-garbage time including 7 points off the turnover which gave us the ball in Goal-to-Go? The ground game. That was the big reason why it was OK for Henne to have led an ineffective offense. But now this week our RBs run for 127 yards on 25 carries, and Brandon Marshall of course was still quite the beast...so what's the excuse this time? Looks like the scapegoat this time is going to be offensive line pressure.

Chad Henne should be a shepherd instead of a robot. He leads enough scapegoats.

 

Lots of QBs would have played better than Chad Henne did this weekend, including ones that were available. That doesn't mean I expect the better part of QBs that were actually available to be better options specifically for the entire balance of the 2011 season. They just would have been better options in this game, most likely, because this is one of Henne's worst games (hopefully).

Glad I could clear that up for you.

 

Most likely, of course.

Thank you very little though.

 

Definitely don't mention that impressive running game turning the ball over at the worst possible time.

Of course that was DT and he's a rookie and that's to be expected so therefore not a part of Henne's ineffective offense.

 

Correct. Daniel Thomas' turnover did indeed ruin 1 drive.

Out of 11. Drives, that is. Only 1 of the 11 drives ended in a touchdown, and then there's the 1 drive that Daniel Thomas killed. Who killed the other 9 drives?

 

Problem with this team is scoring points in the red zone. Perhaps they need such a dominant run game as a crutch for Henne? I'm not saying Henne can't be improved upon, but for now the solution should be finding a run game there.

 

Chad Henne. He also missed 2 FGs, couldn't stop the run, dropped a TD, let Andre walk all over him and didn't properly condition his team. I think he also might of injured Dansby and VD but I can't prove it.

He was very ineffective and most likely someone could of done better.

 

Marshall dropped a crucial TD pass. Does that count for one of them?

 

No, no crutch please. lol. Henning already ditched Chad enough in the redzone. That's the problem. IMO Chad needs reps in the redzone for it to become more comfortable, not have them be continuously taken away like Henning did.

 

A RB who can be consistent in short-yardage sure as **** wouldn't hurt either.

Not ready to say DT is that guy.

 

we're 0-2 and our offense moves the ball (minus not being able to score tds in the red zone)... didnt expect to be saying that.

 

This just isn't an efficient team. That's all there is to it. This roster is arguably more talented than NY's.

 

i think we need to go back to our ground and pound philosophy and dominating time of posession and i already think i like dthomas for that job. giving our opponents less time to score would help us a lot because we're giving up all sorts of pts out there. anddd it would really help henne and our offense to score right now, especially in the rz

 

Ahh ok, thanks. I figured dropping a pick would have raised his rating more than that. I didn't think any of his touchdowns were in garbage time. It doesn't matter though, I have no desire to debate what is or isn't garbage time, or what did or didn't happen in garbage time. I'm perfectly happy using your numbers.


For me it comes down to this, I think he was one of the best players on offense both weeks. I cannot point to more than three other players on offense that played better than him each week. That being said, this is an offense that is putrid in the red zone, all phases, all positions, both games. 14 play drive and no points? Are you F'ing kidding me? Until, that gets fixed the offense is not going score what it needs to. So I don't hold points against Henne. Red zone is a total team failure IMO. I can see the argument that it falls more on Henne, him being the qb. I just don't agree.

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This was a whole team loss.

 

Exactly, the question then becomes is it fixable? And are the right pieces in place?

 

This year? Unfortunately, I'd have to say no. Sad, but true. The right pieces are not in place.

 

In terms of players?

 

I beleive the key issue which could be leading to alot of confusion is that, Henne as compared to last year does look great. Does this make him a great QB no but he has improved at his position, which is way more than I can say for almost every other player on the roster aside from Marshall & Fields. I have no doubt that if Henne had a better line in front of him the results would be even better. Even Shaub looked mediocre when he was under pressure during the very few times we were able to apply pressure. Henne had it all day long!!!

In my view both lines need to step it up they seem to be playing with no fire or attitude. Their effort absolutely stinks and their is no excuse for the communication issues, which have given up game changing TD's in both games. This group is by far my biggest dissapointment, I would expect hiccups with the offence as it is new, but on defense it is pathetic, no gang tackles, missed assignments, no turnovers etc. etc. etc.

You want to fix something start there, start by sending a message, bench a few of them and bring back Crowder, and while you at it bench Trusnik as well!!!

 

Henne was not the reason we lost yesterday. The int wasn't his fault and neither were the batted balls by the d line. We have 2 guys that can play on the o-line and that is it. I have to question the play calling in the red zone, especially when Thomas is doing a fantastic job in between tackles.

You gotta dance with the 1 that brung ya.

 

I agree completely that Henne needs to be better in the red zone - but it is a bit unfair to say that Marshall is still a beast and that Henne needs to be better - when Henne gave Marshall a perfect ball in the endzone that was dropped.

I still think the inability for those two to get on the same page is our biggest problem in the redzone. Last week it was a miscommunication, then it was a ball too far to the outside (inaccurate throw or another miscommunication), this week it was a dropped pass by Marshall.

While some of the blame falls on Henne - I think those two together need to get on the same page if we're going to have any success.

 

I fully agree with you. And I think you're right about the not being able to point out more than 3 offensive players that played better than Henne in either of the two games.

What I'm saying is...that's not good enough. We shouldn't have to accept that, long term. We shouldn't raise victory flags and start X'ing out position needs because of that level of play.

 

Who's 0-2 feels better? Ours or Carolina;s?

The answer is obvious. A franchise QB raises the entire level of your organization. Your WR's and RB's play better. So does your defense. Carolina had no business being in that game yesterday, yet there they were. And the only significant change they made was one guy. But it's the right guy at the right position.

 

So his passer rating, vs two teams that are going to win their divisions,with a brand new system, is 5 points above his last season's? I'll take it, as I suspect, he can improve it, as he plays some weaker competition.

I am much more concerned about the points than the rating, but that is also on others. I'm hopeful, that what we saw from Thomas yesterday will translate into better red zone scoring....

 

I have to admit that right after the game, I too thought Henne played well yesterday. After further reflection and looking at the stats, I have to reconsider and say that the Henne yesterday was really no better then the Henne in 2010. He completed only 12 of 30 passes for 170 yards against a very average defensive team. He was only able to get the Dolphins in the end zone one time yesterday. In the fourth quarter when the good NFL quarterbacks are at their best, he once again failed to rally his team. I hope Henne does become the QB many on here think he can become, but the fact is that his play yesterday was quite similar to his play last year.

I still see him as the worst QB in the division, behind Brady, Sanchez, and Fitzpatrick.

 

CK, you keep bringing up garbage time, yet we were right with the Pats until that 99 yard TD.

 

Add Marshall to two of those drives. the dropped TD in the back of the end zone and the other one he stopped his route. Conceivably 14 more points right there.

 

Exactly..... Marshall blew two big plays. A so called top five WR has to make those plays and he didn't .
I'm back to my Brandon Marshall is a fraud take. The guy just doesn't make big plays .
Funny how people still blame the QB when our superstar is dropping balls right in his hands.
Brandon Marshall is so over rated.

 

Really? I seem to remember you complaining about Henne a lot in the game thread yesterday. The main problem on this team is pass protection until the line is fixed it doesn't matter who the quarterback is.

 

It's true. Even big Jake got beat by Conner freakin' Barwin. Jake jumped once cause he couldn't block him yesterday.
It's sad.

 

Red Zone has been a problem for the last two seasons, and now its early but looks like a 3rd. That falls on the GM and coaching. You have had 3 full off seasons to correct this and haven't. You changed your OC and its the same damn thing. The only constants have been Ireland, Sparano and Henne.You have new receivers & running backs, new OLine.......the problem usually lies with those that have been there the longest.

 

That's correct.

Chad Henne was 8 of 13 for 102 yards, 1 TD and 1 INT, with 1 Sack for -6 yards and 3 runs for 41 yards AFTER that Welker touchdown.

 

I'll probably take some heat for what I'm about to say, but oh what the hell...

I thought Henne regressed a bit yesterday. Was he the reason we lost? No. But, if he played better, we may have been in a better position to win towards the end. The fade to Marshall (although perfectly placed), lacked some touch IMO. The trajectory was a little flat, and it had a little too much zip on it. It needed to be thrown a half second sooner, with a little more air under it. That said, Marshall simply has to catch that pass. I also recall a crossing pattern that he threw the ball behind the receiver ten yards in front of him (Hartline I think?). You have to make that throw in this league. Having said that, I thought he did make some good plays, and threw some good passes. Inconsistent is really the only way I know how to describe how Henne plays from one game to the next. From one series to the next really. And, at this point in his career here, I think that is reason for concern.

One of my biggest bug-a-boos with Henne though are all these balls blocked at the LOS. Does he even know what a pump fake is and how to use it effectively? I lost count how many times that happened yesterday, but I'm guessing at least 5-6 times. Thing is, I think opposing defenses are game planning for it now.

Again, I don't blame Henne for the loss. But, better QB play does compensate for and overcome a lot of inadequacies. Of which, we have many IMHO.