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Why are people giving up already?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Juston, Sep 19, 2011.

  1. PhinishLine

    PhinishLine Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Because we've seen this movie before.

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  2. DolfanJake

    DolfanJake Banned

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    The Waters / Colombo deal is exactly why Ireland should be out the door too. Even if it is Sparano that wants Colombo, its Ireland's final choice as to what happens. It didn't help that they were "comfortable" with Colombo, and gave him a sweetheart deal and basically a starting spot without having to earn it.

    Well they made their own bed, and now will have to lie in it.

    p.s. its not a water bed but a **** bed and boy is it full !
     
  3. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    I rarely agree with you about anything but agree that Colombo is a turnstile.
    Could be the world's largest wind source. :wink2:
     
  4. JMORGAN6977

    JMORGAN6977 New Member

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    Dropping footballs not our problem. Bess dropped a sweet pass, hartline dropped passes. WR's are all divas its just our FO chose to over pay for Marshall. He is our best WR no matter how you dice it though. Hate him love him but just hope he gets the job done. Someone anyone please tell me that Marshall pimping Allen did not make you smile.

    WE NEED TO MAKE AN "F"n tackle. PLEASE TACKLE THE "F"n RB!!!! We will be 0-3. We cannot tackle Hillis and he will run for a minimum of 150 yards. I sure hope they prove me wrong I will gladly eat a helping of crow, but with 2 games in these boys need some form tackling drills.
     
  5. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Once again I don't give a damn about yards and stats when he is dropping TD's.
     
  6. electrolyte

    electrolyte New Member

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    and I don't give a damn about the way you ignore Andre Johnson dropped a TD pass too.

    Get over it. Marshall dropping was not a big deal because it happens to everyone.

    Our problem is we get mad at missed opportunities because there are so precious few. and that's bogus. Our offense (QB) just isn't executing enough to put us in more positions like that so when we drop one it doesn't matter.
     
  7. electrolyte

    electrolyte New Member

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    Yup. Any team would love that production. Andre Johnson had 1200 yards and 8 TD's last season.
     
  8. Straz

    Straz Me and my girl :)

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    No one is saying how Brandon Marshall is their hero, but I really don't understand why you think so little of him. Yes he did drop a couple balls sunday, but so did Andre Johnson on the other side of the ball. See its people like you that seem to think, players should never make mistakes. At any level of play, football players are human and will mess up. Not only is it a damn shame that you think Marshall didn't have a good game, but its dissapointing you dont appreciate what he brings to this team.
     
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  9. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    I love how Marshall gets a pass from his player fans.
    It is so ridiculous to sit and watch people excuse him for dropping a TD pass.

    Me..."Dammit Brandon you have to make that catch!"
    Player fans.... "That's okay just forget it. Andre Johnson dropped one too. Besides it's Marshall, We knew he would choke on big plays when we traded for him.
    On the bright side he is a big name that racks up lots of yards"

    That logic sucks folks.
     
  10. PHINSFAN13

    PHINSFAN13 New Member

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    How can you not want to give up on a team like this?
    Every year its the same ****. Every year its we are in a rebuilding phase. Every year we know what we need to do but we don't do it (Personnel Changes, Drafting the right players, etc.).
    Its pathetic.
     
  11. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    I can name about 100 WR's that would have caught that easy TD in the endzone or the short one right in his hands.
    Now I understand why you were a big Chris Chambers fan :lol:
     
  12. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Thanks for telling me to shut up man..... That was classy.
    I've only just begun to be all over Marshall's *** for blowing big plays.
     
  13. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    I haven't given up on the team...they've given up on Tony Sparano. He should have been fired in the offseason. When we couldn't get Harbaugh, we should not have brought Sparano back as a lame duck. It was embarrassing and probably fatal to his prospects of being taken seriously by the players. Everyone knows he is going to get fired and they are just freaking WASTING this season. It pisses me off.
     
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  14. muscle979

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    I agree. This season could have been useful. We could have had a new guy in place who could be building on what he wanted to do. Instead it's basically a huge waste. I think this is why a lot of people are upset, you know outside of the 'Dolphins fans are whiny crybabies' theory.
     
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  15. electrolyte

    electrolyte New Member

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    why should it be a waste?

    we need to win the Andrew Luck sweepstakes.
     
  16. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Fixed it for ya:

    Agenda ridden basher: "He dropped two balls, one a TD right in his hands, the other a pass in space against single coverage that had serious big time YAC potential, he's over-paid and not worth it."

    Seriously you ranted all off season about Henne not being able to put the ball on a WR hands from a long distance. He does it, Marshall drops it and it is okay.
    You called Henne everything but a white man for a few bad deep balls but Marshall is let off the hook when Henne hits him dead on for six and Marshall flubs it.
    That is hypocrisy in it's finest form. :wink2:
     
  17. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    :lol:
    When did I compare Henne to Marshall?
    You go to all forms of desperation to defend Marshall huh?
    You funny 04.
     
  18. Tin Indian

    Tin Indian Rockin' The Bottom End Club Member

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    Marshall is clearly an asset to this team. He will and does make big plays for us and that will only get better as he and Henne develop more chemistry. All that said, he dropped a TD pass that I see other Receivers in the league, who aren't as good as he is, catch all the time.
     
  19. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Why are fans giving up already?

    -young fans do not know this is not how the Dolphins perform,
    -older fans are disgusted with the performance over the last 6 games dating back to 2010
    -no team disappoints it's fans as much as the Miami Dolphins in the post Shula era
     
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  20. Ricky'sBong

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    Ive been so numb for a while im honestly not even disappointed. Tony Sparano is a lame duck HC, and that certainly isnt a recipe for success. I guess when your expectations are low, its hard to get upset when the Phins start 0-2. Its been obvious to me for quite some time they arent in the same class as NY and NE, but now I do find it amusing as the Bills continue to improve and we may soon be the worst team in the division.
     
  21. Vertical Limit

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    I don't get what's there to be optimistic about but I've read this same thread for JJ, Wannstedt, and Cameran. I'll give Saban a pass as he would have been an excellent NFL coach had he not been ***** slapped around by his wife.

    You guys who still have any optimism left in you need to open your eyes already. This is the same **** we've gone through for a decade. Even the Lions are better than us now. We are last in our division and those three teams on top of us would beat us 9 times out of 10, yes even the mother****ing Bills! They all have an attacking/aggressive offense and they're superior than us when it comes to red zone execution. This is why Henne is not the answer, he simply can't execute in the red zone. He doesn't know how to make all the throws and his mechanics are still poor.

    You can't ask a guy to become a great QB when he doesn't even have the talent to be one. There's no potential from him other than back up QB.

    We need to clean house, and by house I mean the coaching staff and the front office. I'll keep Nolan and I'll keep SOME of the players, they have talent, but everyone else is holding us back.

    We are putting our players in danger by going on the field out of shape for ****s sakes! I remember games under Saban, the broadcasting crew would always comment about how well conditioned our players were. Of course they were, look how Saban used to rip Manny Wright, old man made a dude 5 times bigger than him cry. He demanded the best, Sparano is just too soft.

    ****, this team got me rambling on so many areas. They're just so ****ing depressing. Sparano is another Cameran, point blank. Too soft, except Cameran is smarter than Sparano as he has an area of expertise, Sparano is a ... ****ing offensive line coach with the worst offensive line in the NFL! ****!
     
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  22. Vengeful Odin

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    I don't think anyone would dispute that Marshall belongs in the discussion of the top WRs in the NFL. But the top 3 are, and clearly so:

    1. Andre Johnson
    2. Larry Fitzgerald
    3. Calvin Johnson

    After that, my rankings would be as follows:

    4. Greg Jennings
    5. Brandon Marshall
    6. Reggie Wayne
    7. Miles Austin
    8. Marques Colston
    9. Santonio Holmes

    From there, I'm watching most of the up-and-coming WRs:

    10. Hakeem Nicks
    11. Kenny Britt
    12. Michael Crabtree
    13. Dez Bryant

    Marshall has always struggled with drops, even going so far as to try out as our punter last season. If he held onto the ball I could get behind moving him above Jennings. But putting him above any of the top 3 on my list would be tough.
     
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  23. BlameItOnTheHenne

    BlameItOnTheHenne Taking a poop

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    Yeah, since young fans like myself have never seen the Dolphins as a legit franchise, we must not know what a playoff team looks like. I guess all those years of playoff teams like the Pats ripping us a new a$shole never gave us a slight idea how the Dolphins should perform.
     
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  24. padre31

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    More or less, the Dolphins won home games, the Dolphins made the playoff consistently, for the last what 7-8 yrs, we have not been good...at all.

    That changes perceptions of how the team should perform.
     
  25. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Look, I'm going to break all of this down "Barney" style...

    Why are fans giving up already? Because regardless of what what some say here, Dolphins fans are ever pessimists. Sure, did I start a thread asking if we were already in a hole too deep? Sure I did, but that surely doesn't mean I've given up on the team.

    To be truly fair, regardless of your feelings, Henne has played better than expected and unfortunately, Marshall has played worse than expected.

    During the off-season so many were calling for Carson Palmer, Kyle Orton, Matt Hasselback...some even fllirting with the idea of Vince Young. In those fans' minds, Henne was done, a complete wash-out and what does he do? Against one of our arch-enemies throws for 416 yards. Sure, you didn't hear anything about that in the media as it was overshadowed by our defense giving up 517 yards for the Golden Boy and nearly 600 yards offense total to the Patriots, but Hene had a phenominal game. And even after that, there were still opinions levied that Hene wasn't good enough yet. Are you serious? Your quarterback throws for over 400 yards passing and HE'S not good enough? Good Grief! That's not being objective, that's just plain dumb in my opinion.

    Then this past Sunday, Henne's numbers weren't the same as they were the previous week, but oh..how many receivers dropped balls that were RIGHT THERE?? People want to put that stat on Henne, but my opinion is this...you're getting paid a gazillion dollars to catch balls. How can you miss a ball that was right there? that's like in basketball...these players get paid gazillions and can't even make a simple free throw with no one trying to block their shot? No excuses!! Brandon Marshall wasn't having to make a shoe string catch for a TD. It was right there in his hands. And Marshall's demonstration of dropped passes goes back to last season as well.

    And now there's already calls to have the coaching staff executed by firing squad. Really? Are you serious? Sparano has tenure amongst coaches in Miami, but how many OC's and DC's have we gone through in his time as Head Coach? And for that matter, just how many head coaches has our team gone through when Wayne Hyzuinga bought the team from the Robbie family? Shula, Johnson, Wanndstet, Bates, Saban, Cameron, Sparano. Why didn't we follow the same formula that perennial playoff teams follow when Shula retired? Why wasn't the "Don" allowed to name his successor? Had we done that, our Head Coach would have been Marty Schottenheimer...because THAT is who the Don said has a team best prepared for a game.

    Think about some of the more successful teams in the NFL and see what they have in common (even if it's as of late)
    New England Patriots: Bill Bellichek, 2000-present
    Pittsburgh Steelers: Chuck Noll (1969-1991), Bill Cowher (1992-2006), Mike Tomlin (2007-present)
    Tenessee Titans: Jeff Fischer (1994-2010), now Mike Munchak
    Indianapolis Colts: Tony Dungy (2002-2008), Jim Caldwell (2009-present). *note that had Dungy's son not died, he still would probably be coaching.
    Dallas Cowboys: Tom Landry (1960-1988), Jimmy Johnson (1989-1993) and since, 6 different coaches in 17 years.
    Miami Dolphins: George Wilson (1966-1969), Don Shula (1970-1995) and since, 6 different head coaches in 16 years

    There's no doubt about it...tenure equals success. When you keep changing coaching staff every few years, you end up having players have to learn new coaches, understand different styles of leadership, learn different systems.

    Now here's something of note and you can make all the argument you want until you're blue in the face.

    During Don Shula's tenure, his post season record was 17-14. Since, our COMBINED post season record...3-6.
    During Tom Landry's tenure, his post season record was 20-16. Since, their COMBINED post season record...13-9
    During Bill Belichek's tenure, his post season record has been 14-5. 11 years PRIOR to Bellichek...3-4

    I could go on and on, but this post is already too long. You can look up the records and see for yourself.

    As I said, tenure equals success. Fire Sparano this year. Fire Ireland this year and watch what happens. The Dolphins will suck yet again. And I'll have to continue reading al of this Monday Morning Arm Chair Quarterbacking about how the Dolphins should do this, that or the other....yet again.
     
  26. schmolioot

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    Two points:

    1. Throwing for 400 yards one time does not make you a great qB. Billy Volek has two 400 yard games on his resume. What do you think of him?

    2. So your solution to these problems is to do nothing, and that somehow, by osmosis or sheer luck, the same guys who have failed (IReland and Sparano) will magically succeed? That's a ridiculous notion. Coaches and GM's get tenure by showcasing either success or improvement. Sparano has neither. In fact, we appear to be getting worse
     
  27. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    The more I see the term "suck for Luck" the more I hope we don't get him. It seems to be the worst nightmare of many here that we'd draft a OL in the first next year, so that's what I am hoping for. The best RT in the 2012 draft. :chuckle:
     
  28. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I ain't gonna talk them off the cliff. I say jump mofos. :chuckle:
     
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  29. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    He definitely isn't someone capable of being left one on one with Mario Williams, few are, but in his case it is even worse than most. Williams had 8 pressures, 1 hit and 2 sacks in week 1 against the Colts. Playing him as a 3-4 OLB may be a stroke of genius. He keeps it up and could be DPOY in 2011.

    My view of Colombo is he has gotten continually worse since the Carolina preseason game. He did ok that game, even against their best DE, Charles Johnson. It has been downhill since that game.
     
  30. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    Don't mean to be negative, but they realistically could be 0-5 before they play their first game, where they could possibly win. Of course they could possibly win ANY game, but the odds are against them I would think....

    The only thing have going for them is that they are playing on the road, as sad as that sounds.....but as well that was last year, this is a new year, and defense did not look as nearly as awful last year as they do so far this year.....

    If they go 0-5, yeah I will give up on them, I will still watch every game, howeverI will hope for total regime change, and Andrew Luck....
     
  31. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Actually I never saw a grounder go through Ozzie's legs. The man was probably the best glove at SS ever to play the game.
     
  32. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I'm so tired of seeing and hearing the phrase Suck for Luck, that I HOPE we don't get him now. I don't care if he is Otto Graham, Bobby Layne and Norm Van Brocklin rolled into one. Heck a year ago, no one would have predicted Cam Newton as the 1st overall pick and before last season began most fans never heard of him.
    Who knows, maybe Matt Barkley or Landry Jones turns out to be the best QB in the next draft.
    You know what? Luck does not have to even enter the draft next year. He has one more season of eligibility after 2011. Wouldn't that be funny? Everyone of the Suck for Luck crowd gets half their wish, the Suck part, then Luck decides to remain in school for one more season so it ends up Suck for no Luck. 55555. Actually, Jones and Barkley do not have to enter next year's draft either. All three are part of the class of 2013. Maybe they see Miami with a 2-14, 3-13 record and first pick in the draft. While the Suck for Luck crowd are rubbing their sweaty palms together and salivating like Pavlov's dog. Luck, Barkley and Jones all say, fvck that, we don't want to play for that sorry *** outfit in Miami, let's stay in school one more year. LOL.
    I hope we draft a RT in the 1st next year, just to see the gnashing of teeth, wringing of hands and the wails of lamentations. HAHAHAHAHAHA
    We lose to the likely best team in the AFC and to one that could easily be the 3rd or 4th seed and everyone is ready to throw in the towel on the season. Fvck that sh!t.
     
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  33. gamblerx

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    The thing is 85% of the fanbase is agreeing with tanking the season.
     
  34. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Even if it was 85%, which you or me or any of us have no way of knowing exactly, what would we do with that little tidbit of info? Send it along to the team? Then they'd read it and say, hey 85% of fans want us to lose, so then they all agree to do so?
    Sounds like a fine plan.
     
  35. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Using baseball as an example to try and prove a nonsensical point.
    Jesus God you are really reaching now.
     
  36. Lloyd Heilbrunn

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    We played two teams that will win their division.

    We have a winnable game even if we only play as well as we have so far on Sunday. If we actually play well, I'm pretty sure we will win. Next, last ten years, we seem to match up well with SD.

    The team is young and the depth is younger, Tony needs to eliminate the little mistakes which get them beat vs good teams.

    I'm most concerned with their mental game, based on post game quotes, there are cracks there.

    We need run the ball, because the OL can not pass block in obvious passing situations, the major factor in the abysmal 3rd down conversion rate.



    BTW, I'm new to this board, doesn't the spellcheck icon work?
     
  37. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Marshall steps up and makes a couple of those plays he blew and we might be 1-1 and this thread wouldn't exist.
    Oh well most Dolphin fans want us to lose anyways.
     
  38. gamblerx

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    thank goodness that Marshall has butter fingers.
     
  39. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    You can't talk football here because of all the "Suck for Luck" trolls running around.
    Where in the hell did I put that bug spray.
     
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  40. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Next to the arsenic you want to feed to Marshall. If it wasn't for him we would've been even worse off. Yeah he made some mistakes, but he made plays too, something you steadfastly refuse to recognize. Whatever, we know you won't change your irrational mind on him, but most people are able to understand that mistakes or no, we are far better with him than without him. Just ask Jason Allen.
     

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