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Best Fit HC thread

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Jaj, Sep 25, 2011.

  1. Jaj

    Jaj Registered

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    Well it seems like Sparano's a goner. Whose the best fit for the franchise down the line in your opinion based on talent available, attitude, NFL experience and what not. I'll start with my name. I'll get the explanation in later.

    Jeff Fisher.
     
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    Chad Pennington.
     
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  5. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Someone who can develop a QB and comes from an offensive background. I don't know who that might be.

    Any possible chance if we land Gruden he can bring his brother Jay from Cinci? Guy is doing a good job with Dalton right now. Perhaps we need to look to college ranks for an O?
     
  6. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Hard to say. Seems like we've tried every single kind of coach since Shula and nobody has worked. I think we need a capable QB and a ****ing front office who will finally make finding a QB the priority it should be. Enough with this arrogance of thinking you can win with a sub par below mediocre QB.
     
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  7. electrolyte

    electrolyte New Member

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    Honestly, can you give us a list of possible HC's ?

    I'm not really sure who is out there.
     
  8. Jaj

    Jaj Registered

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    It depends with quarterbacks. If Barkley and Luck aren't available I'm not up for taking Jones too high. One attractive option is building off of what we have on offense and finding a way to bridge that red zone gap through great red zone running.

    Jeff Fisher- Would look towards Coples as his Kevin Carter of the late 90s. Could create a real rough, aggressive pressure defense perfect for battling the teams we have in the division now. Would run the ball relentlessly to stop the Pats and Bills passing attacks.
     
  9. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    Gruden or Fisher.
    Or what about Brian Billick?
     
  10. CaribPhin

    CaribPhin Guest

    Put me in the game Ross.
     
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  11. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    I don't know about best fit. I just know what I want to see. I think we are to the point where the Miami Dolphins, as an organization, need to just be different from the rest of the league and basically attempt to set a knew paradigm for the NFL. We need to get rid of the tried and true philosophy of running the ball, play defense, and win the kicking game that we have had since 1996 and go to more of a philosophy that fits with image people have of the City of Miami - Flashy, up tempo, and exciting.

    This is why I think Jon Gruden is the guy I want. The reason for this is because he has spent a lot of time since his last job with guys like Chip Kelly, Urban Meyer, and other college spread guys that he may actually be the guy that attempts to bring the college spread to the NFL. Well, maybe the second guy. As alen1 pointed out to me, Chan Gailey is basically running a college spread in Buffalo right now and is very, very effective with it despite not having the best talent.

    What I'm wanting to see is a high energy coach who will bring all sorts of spread formations and passing philosophies for the spread, and will even utilize the zone read some in the running game.
     
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  12. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Well, this thread started off wonderfully. :lol: Okay, just to indulge the premise, some potential HC candidates for next year:

    Russ Grimm - Assistant Head Coach/Offensive Line for the Arizona Cardinals. Also coached the Steelers' OL under Bill Cowher. The Steelers interviewed Grimm along with then-OC Ken Whisenhunt for the then-vacant HC position that was filled at the last minute by Mike Tomlin. Whisenhunt left for Arizona and Grimm, angry with the Steelers for apparently snubbing him and Whisenhunt, took the AHC/OL job in Arizona. Positive: the Steelers thought he was head coaching material due to their interviewing him. Negative: the Steelers didn't think he was head coaching material because they passed; Arizona OL is not very good; he would also basically be Sparano redux, given their similar roles and mentality.

    Rob Ryan - Defensive Coordinator for the Dallas Cowboys, formerly of the Cleveland Browns and Oakland Raiders. Rex Ryan's brother, and thus gets head coaching press for the same reason Jim Harbaugh got head coaching press: his brother is an NFL HC. Positive: good coach, gets a lot out of his players considering he's never coached a fully-loaded defense. Negative: everything both good and bad about Rex Ryan applies to Rob, both strengths and limitations.

    Jon Gruden - former HC of the Bucs and Raiders, current ESPN MNF color commentator. Positive: has HC experience while still being relatively young, has studied college offenses and seems willing to innovate in the NFL based on new ideas from the college game (think Wildcat). Negative: gradually loses the locker room's attention, has never developed a young quarterback (prefers veterans like Rich Gannon), has been known to be a nightmare to work with/for ala Nick Saban.

    Bill Cowher - former Steelers HC, current CBS NFL analyst. Positive: drafted Ben Roethlisberger, appeared in two Super Bowls (won 1), is rested and refreshed four years out of the game. Negative: retread ala Jimmy Johnson, unsure if he'll put in the hours he did before he won the Super Bowl, unknown if he attributes his win to the acquisition of Ben Roethlisberger or if he'll trot out the likes of Tommy Maddox or Kordell Stewart again.

    Jeff Fisher - former Titans/Oilers HC, current couch potato. Positive: good coach who prepares his team well, understands the need for good quarterback play and pass defense, still hungry for a Super Bowl win. Negative: his idea of good quarterback play was Matt Leinart, who he infamously was overruled on, with Bud Adams ordering the team to draft Vince Young instead. Runs the 4-3, which would set our defense back a year or two as the personnel is turned over.

    IMO, 2012 is a very bad time to have a head coaching vacancy. Mass hirings over the last few years have generally depleted the coordinator/assistant coaching ranks, and it's tough to find the prototypical young, hungry guy ready to take the next step and win as a head coach. College now holds more appeal for those sorts of coaches, since they can make almost the same amount of money (sometimes even more) while controlling a program in the way they wouldn't be able to do in the NFL.
     
  13. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Gruden has a pretty nice job with MNF right now. I don't see him going anywhere, despite his less than subtle attempt at impressing Ross in that interview.

    To me, the real question is what is Cowher's status at right now ?? That's the guy we need...so we'll end up with some other recycled HC that can't build a team...
     
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  14. Jaj

    Jaj Registered

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    Oh give me a break I don't have time today. Just wanted to start the thread.

    By the way I don't think the 4-3 would hold us back. I think Dansby, Burnett, Odrick, Starks, Wake, and a few others could easily play in a 4-3 under.
     
  15. Desides

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    I'm not talking about your OP, I'm talking about posts #2 and #4. :lol:

    I disagree. While our DL could do it, seeing as how they all came from 4-3 teams in one way or another, I don't think our LBs would handle the transition well and I think it would put additional pressure on our secondary without that extra linebacker out there in coverage to help out.
     
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  16. Jaj

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    Well let's look at it:

    Base package 4-3 under:

    RE - Wake
    DT - McDaniel one-gap one technique
    DT - Starks three technique
    OE- Odrick two-gap
    SOLB- Dansby
    MLB- Mitchell
    WOLB- Burnett

    versus

    DE- Starks two-gap
    NT- Soliai two-gap
    DE- Langford two-gap
    SOLB- Taylor
    SILB- Dansby
    WILB- Burnett
    WOLB- Wake

    I think the first group stops the run due to their ability to penetrate into the backfield if they can get a new MLB (they also reduce cost with Soliai) and they'll get much better pressure while putting their LBs in natural positions.
     
  17. jpep13

    jpep13 Coach Of The Year Club Member

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    As long as it is not Herm Edwards
     
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  18. CaribPhin

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    As much as I want to say no, I just can't manage to not like the idea of Rob Ryan.

    Just a question, Anyone from Green Bay or New Orleans look available?
     
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    I pray to god your joking
     
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  21. Kanye West

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    Why would we want Rob Ryan. Hes not that good
     
  22. texanphinatic

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    I think McCarthy in GB does all his own playcalling. Not sure about NO, but I think Payton is similar.
     
  23. hazed819

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    Atleast he "PLAYS TO WIN THE GAME"
     
  24. Sethdaddy8

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    its 6:30...wtf is Ross waiting for! Tomorrow is Monday guy..the new coach needs to get prepared!
     
  25. Desides

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    No one is afraid of that defense at all. Just run outside or throw screens.

    By the way, I notice a distinct lack of Koa Misi on your roster.

    Don't expect Sparano to be fired mid-season. Ross will probably let him go down with the ship.
     
  26. Jaj

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    Ya...

    Run outside? What? How is that any weaker than the current group. Throw screens? They're faster than the current group.
     
  27. Desides

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    The point is that shifting to the 4-3 doesn't schematically enable the current group of players to perform any better than they currently are, even though you're saying they'd be better suited for the 4-3 and we'd have more defensive success by transitioning.
     
  28. Jaj

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    I think they'd put a good amount more pressure on the QB with that group. I think the DL have a better shot at pressuring the QB and the LBers in better positions for their skillsets.
     
  29. Sethdaddy8

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    midseason??? I want him fired by midnight!
     
  30. Stitches

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    Not going to be fired by tomorrow, sorry.
     
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  31. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    He's pretty much going to coach out the rest of the season at a minimum.

    Suck for Luck.
     
  32. Dolphins1Beatles

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    Gloria Estefan. I remember that time she climbed out of the window of her sky box since the door was stuck. She's got more guts than our current staff, no doubt.
     
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  33. miamiron

    miamiron There's always next year

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    We need a coach that will light a fire under the collective azzes of these players
    The Sparano everything is great/everyone is doing a good job philosophy sucks

    It creates lazy players who claim responsibility for nothing
    JUST LOOK AT THIS TEAM other than a few players the effort
    as well as the smarts are non existent during games

    To many primadonnas on this team
     
  34. Conuficus

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    Well away from here
    Tell me you're ****ing kidding.
     
  35. Desides

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    Don't confuse his philosophy with his PR.
     
  36. Rouk

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    Marty Schottenheimer knows how to build a team he cant win in the playoffs but he'll get you a team
     
  37. mi2cents

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    maybe not a HC caliber yet...but with his background and his record at his elevating statis at the differant schools he has coached and is now coaching (USF)......I'd hire him as OC/AHC.......Louis Leo "SKIP" Holtz Jr......his track record is really very impressive. His total record is at Wikipedia.....check it out.

    1986 Notre Dame
    Position(s) Wide receiver
    Coaching career (HC unless noted)
    1987–1988
    1989
    1990–1991
    1992–1993
    1994–1998
    1999–2003
    2004
    2005–2009
    2010–present Univ. of South Florida - Tampa
    Colorado State (WR)
    Notre Dame (WR)
    Notre Dame (OC)
    Connecticut
    South Carolina (OC)
    South Carolina (QB)
    East Carolina
    South Florida
    Head coaching record
    Overall 84–55
    Bowls 2–3
    Tournaments 1–1 (NCAA D-I-AA playoffs)
    Statistics
    College Football Data Warehouse
    Accomplishments and honors
    Championships
    2 C-USA (2008–2009)
     
  38. BlameItOnTheHenne

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  39. Desides

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    Schotty? Really? At that point you might as well haul Don Shula out of retirement, or just dress up Vince Lombardi's decomposed corpse and put him on the sidelines.
     
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  40. Tin Indian

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    Jeff Fisher is an interesting choice. Always thought he was a pretty good coach in TN. AS far as his choice of Matt Leinart, all I can say is he was not the only one who liked him when he came out.
     

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