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Daniel Thomas can play.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by BlameItOnTheHenne, Sep 25, 2011.

  1. BlameItOnTheHenne

    BlameItOnTheHenne Taking a poop

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    This season will probably end up as a colossal failure, but we may have found a running back.
     
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  2. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    So why in the hell is Daboll running Bush up the middle?
     
  3. Jaj

    Jaj Registered

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    Great question and I'm not sure it's Daboll, it could be. After all Sparano is the reason Colombo is at RT. Henne is a much better passer when he's out there.
     
  4. BlameItOnTheHenne

    BlameItOnTheHenne Taking a poop

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    Idk why Bush is running at all.
     
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  5. jpep13

    jpep13 Coach Of The Year Club Member

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    what happened to this great game plan and spread it out?
     
  6. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    He's pretty good. He's even improved his pad level and is bouncing off tackles now, really training on.

    Thing is, he can be pretty good at gaining yards and still highlight why it's tough to be put in a position of having to rely so much on a rookie. Last week, it was the fumble right when Miami had wrestled the momentum back. This week, he had at least one rather big pass protection miscue that cost the offense.

    This is what I feared. Relying too much on a guy that isn't destined to truly 'get it' until next year or the year after.
     
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  7. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    In two weeks I have seen more potential out of Daniel Thomas than I did with Ronnie Brown throughout his entire career here.

    Daniel Thomas runs with power and speed. Finds the hole quickly and doesn't dance. And runs hard.. We have ourselves a legit running back... I'm not saying the kid is the next Arian Foster, but he is going to be a damn fine running back for this team. Damn fine.
     
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  8. Destroyer

    Destroyer There for every play.

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    Well that's all good and all but it doesn't matter if this team can't find a way to win. Tired of trying to find the positives in the losses. A loss is still a loss.
     
  9. Jaj

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    Alright alright we get it but we do want the team to have something to build towards.
     
  10. electrolyte

    electrolyte New Member

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    Yeah, I love Daniel Thomas. I saw it coming in the off-season.

    Just has to make sure he works on his fumbling issues. also, I would like to see him switch the ball in his hands more. If he's running to the right side, quickly switch the football to the right hand.... sometimes I notice he forgets to do this... leaving the defender an opportunity to make the tackle on the side he is carrying the football on.

    but he's going to be decent. He hits the right holes and hits them quickly.
     
  11. Coral Reefer

    Coral Reefer Premium Member

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    Agreed completely.
    You don't cut all your vets at RB and rely on a rookie. It was a ridiculous move.
    Luckily he Thomas does look very promising. Rookies have growing pains though. You saw it today in his pass protection. Many tend to hit a wall late in the season as well. The Bush running between the tackles experiment has already shown to be a failure which 80% of your casual fans could have told Ireland it would have been.

    I'm happy about the promise Thomas is showing but at the same time still very irritated by Ireland's moves this offseason.
     
  12. electrolyte

    electrolyte New Member

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    About Reggie Bush :

    True it was a failure, but part of the reason the Dolphins even tried it is because Bush came down here with those expectations. He wanted to prove himself and become an every down back...... it would have created an unhappy Reggie Bush in the locker room if they just dismissed him and never even gave him a shot.
     
  13. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    Really? You see more potential in two games than Ronnie Brown? What about the clinic RB was putting on in 2007 before his injury leading the NFL in yards from scrimmage...

    Thomas runs well, gains yards, etc... Not really exciting to watch. He has no speed whatsoever.
     
  14. BlameItOnTheHenne

    BlameItOnTheHenne Taking a poop

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    I'm sorry for praising a rookie whom many people doubted.
     
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  15. Triggercut

    Triggercut Well-Known Member

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    On the play that DT supposedly whiffed on a block, there were two LB's blitzing the same gap, DT took the inside guy (which, I believe is what he is supposed to do, block inside guy first).
     
  16. byroan

    byroan Giggity Staff Member Administrator Luxury Box

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    Ronnie ran people over though, I haven't seen that from DT (yet). I do like the fact that DT doesn't dance and hits the hole.

    We're completely misusing Bush. He's an outside runner and a guy who can run after the catch. It's Henning like when we bench DT only to run Reggie up the middle.
     
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  17. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Ronnie was dancer with no gear at all. At least when DT sees a hole he gets in it. Ronnie was a busted pick.
     
  18. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    2007 was exceptional from Ronnie... But outside of 07, I couldn't stand how indecisive he was... I didn't mean pure speed, I'm talking quickness to hole and field vision..
     
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  19. byroan

    byroan Giggity Staff Member Administrator Luxury Box

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    Ronnie wasn't a busted pick. He'll forever be remembered for the Wildcat game against the Pats and he made the Pro Bowl.
     
  20. electrolyte

    electrolyte New Member

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    Did you forget how Ronnie Brown would get run down every single time he should have got a TD?

    RB had no speed. Defensive backs and safeties always caught up to him if he ever broke out in the field.
     
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  21. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I wouldn't call him a bust but I would call him a disapointing #2 overall pick.
     
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  22. byroan

    byroan Giggity Staff Member Administrator Luxury Box

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    Not much from the 2005 draft though. Out of the top 10 picks, only Alex Smith is still on his team.
     
  23. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    What's occurred isn't really the picture you painted, and trying shoehorn it in doesn't make it less obvious. Daniel Thomas looks like a good pick, looks like worth trading up, and he's done well early. Those two mistakes in question are not inherently rookie mistakes, and it happening in back to back weeks isn't inherently a rookie issue.
     
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  24. Stitches

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    #11 is real good.
     
  25. byroan

    byroan Giggity Staff Member Administrator Luxury Box

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    I'll take #24 instead.
     
  26. FinsAreLife

    FinsAreLife Well-Known Member

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    Thomas is legit. I like how hard the guy runs.
     
  27. NorFlaFin

    NorFlaFin Active Member

    That's a real popular blitz with one-back formations; Henne's gotta see it and get the ball out.
     
  28. daphins

    daphins A-Style

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    ? Ronnie is a RB who gave us some very productive years. The downside of him was his injuries. Ronnie Brown was more if not AS productive as any other RB taken within a year of him save for maybe Steven Jackson who like Ronnie is consistently hurt.


    2004
    Steven Jackson
    Chris Perry
    Kevin Jones
    Julius Jones
    Tatum Bell

    2005
    Cadillac Willaims
    Ronnie Brown
    Cedric Benson
    Frank Gore

    2006
    Reggie Bush
    Laurence Maroney
    DeAngelo Willaims
    Joseph Addai

    Those are only the high picks, but you should get the gist. RB's are a dime a dozen in the league today...Ronnie was the best athlete on this team for almost 4 years. He ran hard, he made great cuts, and he was fast...son of a ***** just couldn't stay healthy. He's in good company for RB's though...I don't think I'd take anyone on that list other than Jackson over him. He was as good and productive for as many years as the afore mentioned guys. When he dropped off, he dropped off big...but looking at the history of RB's...that's what tends to happen.

    Actually, continuing on....these are only high picks obviously...I'm too lazy to look 'em all up, but that's where you get the most RB hits.

    2007
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    Marshawn Lynch
    Kenny Irons
    Brandon Jackson

    2008
    McFadden
    Jonathan Stewart
    Mendenhall
    Chris Johnson
    Matt Forte
    Ray Rice

    Pretty sobering...RB's burn out so quick. We had such a bad team in place, Ronnie wasn't going to make the difference..think where we might have gone if we had studs around him, rather than burning his good years.
     
  29. Jaj

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    Impact of a good RB though isn't large enough to justify where he was taken.
     
  30. Conuficus

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    Well away from here
    Frank Gore - also known as the "Inconvenient Truth".

    3rd round pick by the 49ers in 2005. Brown has been blown away by Gore's productivity. Brown is 1700 yards behind Gore.
     
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    Gore is an awesome player. Always gets overlooked, but can do everything.
     
  32. daphins

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    Added him before you made the quote. Missed that.

    He's a rarity though. My point is, RB's are a dime a dozen. Gore has been far from dominant in SF though he's probably the most productive of all of those RB's outside of AP and SJ. Ronnie was the best player on our offense for a long time, true his time has passed, but people shouldn't forget what he did either. It's not his fault he had the misforutne of playing under Saban, and Cam.
     
  33. Jt0323

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    Thomas is a beast! Almost his 2nd 100 yard rushing game in his 2nd game.
     
  34. padre31

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    Actually, to me DTrain is one other reasons for my frustrations, he had played at a really high level.

    If he had just been bad things would be much clearer in terms of Ireland/Sparano for me at least.
     
  35. BlameItOnTheHenne

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    Dude has some terrible injury luck, though.
     
  36. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    B/c unfortunately, we have to spell the rook occasionally. I hate it too... but DT did have 23 carries...

    We have to use more than one back occasionally, but the plays we run with Bush just need to be different.
     
  37. MikeHoncho

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    Because derp derpy derp derp. I have no friggin' clue, and it's mind-boggling.
     
  38. Ludacris

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    I love the way Daniel Thomas runs. He gives great second effort and uses a lot of power. He's the real deal. Good vision and makes good cuts. I can't wait until he breaks one. You can almost feel it coming.

    He's hands are amazing when he catches. The screens they call for him are beautiful. He has excellent timing.

    I can't believe he started as a QB in college before moving to RB. He's a natural runner.... I just hope he has a long career and doesn't flame out like some RBs due to injuries.
     
  39. Vengeful Odin

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    One of the big knocks on Thomas was that he ran too upright, which was a valid point. Just based on his size and running style he reminded a lot of folks, me included, of a poor man's Eddie George.

    The thing that impressed me today was that he was getting lower - a lot lower - than what I've seen him do in the past. The other thing that impressed me was how he would always fall forward and pick up an extra two or three yards, even if he was stuffed for no gain it seemed like he was able to get a decent run out of it.

    The scary thought is that he's only in his third year as a full-time running back (he started out as a QB in JuCo), and he's only going to get better as he learns the position and figures out what he needs to do (not just running, but things like learning how to hold onto and carry the ball, blitz pickup, etc.). The other scary thought is that we haven't used him to his full potential - I mentioned he was a QB, and this team is in need of a spark, especially in the Red Zone. You have to think that we've got some Wildcat-style offensive plays that we haven't even seen yet.

    Overall, he's been very solid thus far in his first two games, and from the potential he has flashed you can sort of understand why Ireland would move up to draft him.
     
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  40. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    ...not to mention, one of the games DT wasnt even healthy in. In the 2 games DT has been healthy, he has got 68.3% of the rushing carries. I dont think I want to be giving a rookie more than almost 70% of the carries in his first too games...
     

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