Heard Larry on the radio today: "These guys could run blindfolded thru a forest and not hit a tree". "If Griese had called a pass play inside the 5, we would have killed him".
It is true, Carey and Richie I whiff a lot. As for passing play inside the 5, agree again, they get to cute.
We have spread it out at times near the goalline, which is good IMO. We may need to gravitate back towards some balance in there, but all we ever did in years prior is run it 3 times up the gut when we got with 7 yards or so... and our redzone offense sucked then like it sucks now. Passing near the goalline is perfectly acceptable. Just need to make sure we have some balance as well...
They need a balance. Last year it was all run, this year all pass. You have to prove you can do one for the other to be effective. We haven't proven we can do either.
Why is there an assumption that because we spread the ball at the goal-line we have to pass the ball? Houston's Ben Tate and Arian Foster aren't running out of I-Formation. Hardkore we're seventh in the league in rushing. At the goal-line maybe we don't run enough, but the balance isn't bad. The line is.
Well...yeah, of course. I know the run-blocking inside the Red Zone has been horrible, but now that Thomas has proven to be pretty capable of running between the tackles, I think they need to go with him a little more down there. If I never see another fade from Chad Henne for the rest of my life I'll be happy.
His first quote is funny and unfortunately true. The athleticsm of our guards and RT is atrocious. Long is clearly still hurting and our Center is showing promise but is a rook so growing pains are to be expected. It's a clear problem. As for the passing inside the 5 argument...... Meh... You have to understand that Larry Little comes from an entirely different era in the NFL. Passing the ball inside the 5 can be VERY effective if the right play is called at the right time. I think we can all agree on that. It's nice to know that you don't HAVE to pass at the 5 yard line to get it into the endzone because your line can't push however. That being said I think our line is better at run blocking than they are at pass protection. Straight push they can pull off. Get them trying to defend against pass rushers in space or read blitzes quickly enough to defend it is a whole nother issue.
Sure they are. Ben Tate has 22 rushes out of I-formation this year, 34 out of single back formations, and 3 out of shotgun. Not their primary formation, but the Texans use a decent amount of I-formation.
Wait a minute what the heck does him running out of single back have anything to do with I-formation? Since you have the stats on hand do you know how many YPC Tate hasn't gotten out of I-Form versus every other formation including 2-TE, 3 WRs.
To be fair Little had Csonka ,Kiick and Morris to run in those close redzone ones plus the OL to make the holes for them consistently. He is right about this OL though.A lot of resources used on the current OL without much to show for it. That 72 OL were made up mostly from scrubs cut from other teams who were molded into an oustanding OL.
doesn't make it right though Dup..if your ever at the 2 or 1 yard line you do what we did in the preseason {even though it took us 4 chances}, you run it in, or you don't deserve to win..The effect of passing in those situations are far more damaging then not being able to get in.. So far Ive seen daboll with questionable playcalling in those situations, and the last drive in cleveland.
I wasn't trying to prove anything. I was just pointing out that Houston runs a fair amount out of I-Formation in comparison to other formations. In regards to Tate, his YPC is lower out of I-formation. But its hard to make any judgement, as there are obviously the down, distance, and time remaining factors.
All true, different era, different players different defenses and offenses. Love all the old timers but if most of them played these days they are the ones that would be lost in the woods. During his time they had about 3 different blocking assignments compared to what Oline have to do these days. Offensive lineman during his time could hold, punch, kick, bite, step on toes etc. Most of them would lose their entire game checks these days just to fines secured from penalties. Most of the more successful teams these days all pass the ball inside the 5 yards line. Its all timing patterns or to the corners thrown if the recevier does not get it, no one will. I see that as a problem with us. As of yet, Henne and his receivers do not have the timing down and to be fair, there have been drops and to be even more impartial, Henne does not have the best touch on the ball figured out yet. But throw inside the 5 ? Oh, yeah, plenty of teams do it. Quick hit timing patterns are hard to stop if the receiver and the QB are on the same page and the receiver actually holds onto the ball. Meaning, Marshal in particular.
Not to defend our OL, but everybody in the NFL passes the ball inside the 5 now. It's freaking hard to just ram it down a defense's throat down there if there isn't at least the threat of throwing the football.
Ignore them its a slow week for the media. They are scrounging around the bottom of the barrel dragging up anyone they can from past teams. Its actually comical to say the least. Pretty soon they will dig up Mercury Morris from somewhere and we can listen to how great he is and how all the teams have sucked since he left and how great he is and look at his 20 year old suit and how great he is and the entire world blowws but him. LMAO. sad.
They also had one of the best offensive line coaches ever in Monte Clark. Larry Little was cut by the Chargers before Miami. Jim Langer was cut by Cleveland before Miami. I think Bob Kuchenberg was an UDFA.
That is true, Gugs, or whatever the hell his name is, does not impress me, he has been here since 09, the results have been crappy. Ipsa res loquitor.
Actually, the definition of holding has been greatly restricted from what was then. You could not even grasp the defender at all, not even "inside" as you can now. And for all the biting and punching, it was offset by headslapping....
hey have you guys read anythin that Jim Jensen has been saying on facebook? he is pissed at the front office for letting ronnie and ricky go after Sparano said we were going to a finese running attack. then he turns around and says we are running the old style of running which means we switched our running back for nothing basicly. thomas is good but why bring in bush for a run game that isnt Bush 's strong point. other former dolphin players are fed up with this club too.
Ireland has dug his own grave with some of the puzzling moves or lack of moves made this offseason. The RB position being one of them. Good to see others acknowledging this now. Not only are the moves questionable but the coaching staff and GM also appear to be on different pages of what kind of team they want to build. You get the feeling even if good personnel moves were made that the coaching staff would misuse the talent anyway. Dysfunctional is the only way to describe it.
Hard to really say we didn't make good personel moves and they aren't being used correctly. If Thomas would run the way he has and we used Bush like he was in NO, our RBs would be our most productive and explosive part of the roster.
Exactly. We may have not made the BEST running back moves, but letting Ronnie and Ricky go was 100% the right choice.
Ronnie and Ricky were descending in their play rapidly...We have a much better situation now with the combination of Thomas and Bush...Not sure why this decision is being questioned anymore....Would you swap our combo for ricky and ronnie knowing what you know now?
You would think he has dug his own grave. However, Jeff is very coniving when it comes to things. He's going to twist this around in an attempt to save his job. His got his nose planted firmly in Stephen Ross's rear end right now, and at the end of the year, he's likely going to tell Ross that it was his plan to give him a wide open, exciting, spread type of offense and that Tony simply used the players he brought in correctly.
LMFAO. But this is an error you see a lot from these really good veterans: "Because I can do it, everyone should be able to do it too." Anyway, a team that everyone in the stadium knew they were going to run it but nobody could stop them didn't need Marino.
