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The Official 2011 Boston Red Sox Thread

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by Ray Finkle, Nov 10, 2010.

  1. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    I think it is pretty much official now...

     
  2. Ray Finkle

    Ray Finkle Member

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    No idea but when Francona was hired none of the media liked the hire because he had a losing record (same thing happened when the Yankees hired Torre) so maybe the most obvious aren't the best options out there.

    Oh yeah Youkilis is a big pain. I'm pretty sure I posted a few times that I had heard from someone connected with the organization that he wasn't very well liked because of his attitude and how it rubbed people the wrong way.

    It sounds like Francona was just both burnt out and lost control of the clubhouse a little bit. It happens and even the most successful managers rarely stay in the same place for too long. The names you mentioned above minus Willie plus Torre are probably the obvious names that will be most talked about/connected to the job. Who knows.

    I also do like Pena a bit, he knows baseball and did a pretty decent job with KC when he managed them. I wonder if he is still under contract with the Yankees and if so if they'd let him walk away to manage Boston.

    It's too bad Terry is going, like I said I thought he was a very good manager and was a good guy. I hope whereever he goes next he'll be successful. I'm sure he's probably happy he won't have to deal with the extra BS he normal does in Boston if he goes anywhere else outside of NY.
     
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  3. finyank13

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    hey still a shot he stays...

     
  4. Nappy Roots

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    I bet his attitude rubs people the wrong. His face and expressions alone piss me off through TV, much less in person.
     
  5. BigDogsHunt

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  6. finyank13

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  7. BigDogsHunt

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  8. BicketyBam

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    I hate the Red Sox, but I have always like Francona. I wish him the best of luck. I wish there was a way he could end up with the Yankees. I think he is an excellent manager.
     
  9. padre31

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    Which is what I sort of thought had happened, ever since that weird media event after a loss when the lights were kind of turned down real low.

    Imo, BoSox could use Joe Torre, or someone like him, who knows how to wrangle guys who are so wealthy they really do not have to listen to the manager.

    THAT is what has changed on the team (imo) guys got big $$$ and just did their own thing.
     
  10. maynard

    maynard Who, whom?

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    I don't blame thw guy for wanting out if that is the case. Bosox fans in general in not in a good spot.

    I try to keep my baseball talk quiet in here, but as a rays fan, bosox fans have evolved into something worse than the yankees fans....which is what red sox fans saw as their antithesis. Bear in mind, I'm not talking about members on here. I try to ignore baseball talk here because even I can get heated about it.

    For francona, I can see how its now longer worth it. Between the media and the fans, its too much. The pressure is absurd.

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  11. Ray Finkle

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    Good post, don't disagree with any of it. Most Boston fans got spoiled and think they deserve things instead of earning them. Hey that sounds exactly like what happened to the team this year, go figure.
     
  12. BigDogsHunt

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  13. adamprez2003

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    letting francona go is a huge mistake. thanks boston
     
  14. Ray Finkle

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    Yeah it's certainly possible. But on the other hand if he truly lost the clubhouse maybe a new voice is needed. It's kind of like the Joe Torre situation with the Yankees. Changes might very well be a good thing.
     
  15. BigDogsHunt

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    yeah, I alluded to that exactly...the question is is the replacement a 180 degree change (aka B. Valentine)? that could be more harm than good. I figure the COMPUTER will spit out a name to the MONEYBALL boys in FO, but it comes down to the players I had listed previously. The FACES will have to change, Tito is just the first domino.

    This offseason is going to be so much fun.

    P.S. did you read the statement that Adrian Gonzolez made about it not being fair to play in Boston and be on all these ESPN games and thus traveling and getting in a new city @ 4am is hard. He stated how SD never was on ESPN and never arrived so late, etc, etc, etc. Priceless! The good times keep rolling.

    http://eye-on-baseball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22297882/32380946/7

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  16. BigDogsHunt

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    I also am amazed (in a non sarcastic moment of clarity too) that Yanks lost 12 of the 18 games H2H vs BOS and yet finished 7 games up on them for AL East.

    Crazy!
     
  17. Ray Finkle

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    I'm assuming you were being sarcastic about the computer spitting out moneyball boys, so if so well played.

    And yes I read the comments. They were a joke.
     
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  18. BigDogsHunt

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    Are the Red Sox the 4th most relevant Sports Franchise in Beantown now???
     
  19. Ray Finkle

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    No clue the Sox are the only Boston area franchise I follow.
     
  20. Nappy Roots

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    I don't know. I tend to be in the area of thinking that baseball coaching has less to do with coaching and strategy and more to do with getting your players to play up to their potential. Getting them to play hard everyday in other thinking. I obviously believe there is some strategy with match ups and things like that, however I don't think its the #1 thing.

    Playing almost every day and 162 games can be tiring. Need to know how to manage that roster to keep everyone fresh, keep everyone playing and to keep everyone's attention. I think he clearly didn't keep everyone's attention in the club house. Time for a change imo. He's a very good coach, but like I said, I don't think that is the most important thing in a MLB head coach.

    I think the opposite of NFL. Has more to do with strategy and schemes...and having a QB.
     
  21. finyank13

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    wow...that is pretty bad.....I mean the Yankees schedule always sucks....for example, theit last extended road trip was on the west coast in mid sept...it comes with the territory I guess of being a team that the country wants to either see win or lose...

    No way the Sox are always relevant, I think you will see the Celts fade into 4th...I think it is a toss up between the Sox and the Bruins as the most followed....Hockey in Boston has always been strong, even when the Bruins werent doing well....

    Not so...there is a lot of strategy in baseball...Jon Maddon is a huge reason why Tampa is were they are, the guy makes AWESOME moves during the games......in fact he has gone from an eh manager, to one of the best in my opinion...
     
  22. Nappy Roots

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    I didn't say there wasn't a lot of strategy in baseball, there absolutely is. But year after year there are managers in the playoffs that don't make the best decisions on the field day in and day out. I questioned a lot of moves Madden did early in his career with TB and even the year we went into the world series. However I have realized something, maddon is an absolute genius the way he manages the roster and the way he pushes the right buttons. I don't think maddon makes the best decisions sometimes, or should I say the obvious decision, because he's pushing the right button to get the best out of that player. Over the course of 162 games, getting everything out is your plays is just more important then your strategy IMO. Not saying strategy isn't important by any means, I'm just saying its not the most important factor on MLB coaches imo.

    EDIT: just wanted to add to Maddon not making obvious decision. I think Maddon starting Moore in game one, help energize the offense as well. Those are the types of moves I'm talking about. Starting a AAA pitcher game one, on the road against one of the best offenses in baseball isn't the obvious choice.

    Maddon sometimes goes with reverse splits. Which is exactly what I'm talking about. He will have stats that say one thing and go the other way, however it will work out because those types of things get your team to play.
     
  23. maynard

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    I appreciate that. I really do

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  24. Ray Finkle

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    No problem, my friend!
     
  25. Ray Finkle

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    Just trying to come up with some possible moves the Sox can make to get rid of some of their old guard. I wonder if the Sox could trade John Lackey back to LAA for Vernon Wells, with the Sox paying the remainder of Lackey's contract and the Angels still paying Wells. It would move two big disappointments but LAA would be getting back someone that has had success there before and the Sox could use Wells as their RHH 4th OF, since Wells stinks now but can still hit LHP decently.

    The other move I'd try to make is to trade Kevin Youkilis, Jed Lowrie, Josh Reddick and a prospect(s) for David Wright and Jason Bay/Johan Santana (including their whole contract). The Mets might jump at the chance to just get rid of the salary or either Bay or Santana. If the Sox got Bay they can make him their DH and hope he can regain his Fenway Park swing and also help the LHH heavy line up. I doubt the Mets would trade Wright, especially if Reyes leaves but it doesn't hurt to ask. Plus I think Wright might be able to put up big numbers in Fenway compared to Citi Field. The Mets would get back 3 useful players not making big money and would help fill in holes.

    Again just thinking out loud here.
     
  26. finyank13

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    I just don't see the Sox trading Youk...

    I like Wright but he strikes out too much...
     
  27. BigDogsHunt

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  29. Ray Finkle

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    I think this is all just silly speculation until he is actually granted permission to leave the Sox and join the Cubs. You know the Sox will granted him permission to interview but ultimately he's still under contract so if they don't want him to go they won't let him. It would be extremely interesting to see which player(s) the Sox would get back from the Cubs for compensation.

    And IF Theo goes I'd expect the Sox to simply promote Ben Cherrington, their assistant GM, to GM.
     
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  30. Nappy Roots

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    Highly doubt Friedman goes anywhere....
     
  31. finyank13

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    Why?? I didnt realize Tampa is a better place to GM than Boston....
     
  32. Nappy Roots

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    Why is it not? Do you have the slightest idea of anything about Friedman? How about the fact that he came into baseball with one of his good friends who is the rays president. He was hired by current rays owner and actually has become close friends with him.

    So because Boston can spend more its automatically a better place to GM, how about working close with close friends and continuing to build something special in a rising franchise that is in better shape then the Red Sox. Because they have two world series they are automatically the holy grail of franchises?(no offense saux fans)

    Guess Marlins should have a shot at Friedman too..
     
  33. finyank13

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    People of this nature love the challenges....he has done everything you can possibly do to win down there with that budget structure...stocked the farm system, acquired year in and year out some quality vets, there isn't anymore he can do...it is pretty much all on the team at this point to do it....

    It is the same ole same ole there so to speak, why not go to a place where you have more resources, is one of the top 3-4 places to GM in the sport, and oh yeah, probably double or triple your salary....
     
  34. Nappy Roots

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    Of course theres more he could do, he could win a championship. You dont think that is a challenge, actually the #1 challenge? Lets see, whats more of a challenge, winning a championship with a small market team or winning with the 2nd highest payroll in baseball?

    And we don't know that his salary would be doubled even, his friends run and own the team, they would probably pay him whatever. He doesn't even have a contract with TB, he's pretty comfortable where he's at. Astros were also said to break the bank for him, if he doesn't go for that, hes not going anywhere. He's from Houston.
     
  35. GreenMonster

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    I would do any of those in a heartbeat.
     
  36. finyank13

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    http://www.csnne.com/10/04/11/Macka...anding_redsox.html?blockID=572356&feedID=3352
     
  37. BigDogsHunt

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  38. Ray Finkle

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    Might as well ask right? One of the Red Sox reporters mentioned that IF the Sox were to let Theo go to the Cubs one of the provisions should be that the Cubs take Lackey and his contract with him. Again can't say that's not a bad idea either.

    Again though we're getting way ahead of ourselves here, and this is such non news, did anyone expect the Cubs not to ask to talk to Theo? Does anyone think Theo won't talk to them? It doesn't mean he's staying or going. Maybe it's just me but I can't get caught up in this until a decision is made either yes Theo is going or no Theo is staying. Until then this is just a whole bunch of noise, much like their managerial search.
     
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