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Rumor: Gruden 1st choice of Ross

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by jpep13, Oct 4, 2011.

  1. Jaj

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    Wait a minute wasn't the fear with running Tim Tebow out of a true spread option attack that the QB would take a pounding? If the QB is inexpensive, does it matter? There are so many spread option passers that come out of every year. It's innovative to say the least. Oh and by the way the problem with running the QB was that the LBs and Ss would destroy a lighter guy like Pat White not Tim Tebow.. What if the defense is in dime formation with a cover LB in the middle? I'm outnumbering you six to five in blockers every single snap at the line of scrimmage with a running threat. That means I'm going to negate your safety. If you have the right personnel (large slot WRs, flex TEs), fast outside WRs, and a horitzontal threat to run the ball on the sweep (Bush), that offense is ****ing scary. Tebow can throw out of a 4 WR set. To stop Tebow at the line you're going to have to go with a man in the box for that kind of powerful inside running game. That means you have three WRs in one-on-one matchups not to mention, the RB can get a pass from Tebow who by the way you still have to account for scrambling.

    As KB said you might have to replace the quarterback fairly often, but if there's a supply of these guys are they really any different than replacing RBs?

    Could save you 10m on the cap too. Outside of the line none of these guys are expensive. It could be the kind of ball-control attack that could totally shortcircuit a top NFL passing attack. Did I mention these types of QBs are excellent in the red zone?
     
  2. electrolyte

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    Part of the reason college programs can get away with stuff like that is because they aren't dealing with NFL caliber players at every position.

    The NFL is a different speed and every player was a star at some point in their careers in college or something.
     
  3. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    who did we been there and done that with?

    Jimmy Johnson?, nick saban?..who have we had that reminds you of bill cowher?

    I love gruden as well, but I think there is an edge to Cowher that a team playing in this town and in that stadium, needs...So far we haven't come close to finding that guy in almost 2 decades..
     
  4. steveincolorado

    steveincolorado Spook, Storme & Pebbles

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    Crunch did a piece about Gruden last week or so, if that piece was correct, then I don't want Gruden unless he has changed. I'm also don't want to carry 4 QB's on the 53 like he did at one time.
     
  5. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    Well Gruden is at the top of my list along with Fisher and Cowher, so hopefully this does happen. But can't really worry about it right now.
     
  6. unifiedtheory

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    Can we for the sake of my love for this franchise go and get a ****ing General Manager to rebuild the scouting staff and allow HIM to select HIS coach? Raid the Packers front office, steal their damn copiers for all care, just get something from that front office. Why do we do things backwards?
     
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  7. ckparrothead

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    La Canfora believes that Gruden is first choice, Barry Jackson tonight confirms that Bill Cowher is high on Steve Ross' list as well.

    I think it's going to come down to those two.
     
  8. ckparrothead

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    And I'm not sure why it should be considered 'backwards' to get the Head Coach and then let him have say in how the front office is structured. Contrary to popular belief I don't think these Head Coaches are all about functioning in a dual role. They just want to be able to trust the men that are supplying them with players.
     
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  9. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    Honest question though, do those two want us? I can see Gruden being interested and hungry for the challenge, but is Cowher ready for that? Or is he going to want that job he doesn't need to possibly turn over the roster....I'm just not sure
     
  10. unifiedtheory

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    I can agree with that to a point. I am just afraid of the puppet GM with the tyrant head coach who is clueless about player acquisition. I don't want Cowher because he strikes me as that guy, plus he seems pretty comfy. A Gruden is a full on workaholic. I don't want Gruden anywhere near the GM duties though.
     
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  11. steveincolorado

    steveincolorado Spook, Storme & Pebbles

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    I believe that Ross wants a "name" to coach his team and that is why those two are 1 and 2 on his list.
     
  12. electrolyte

    electrolyte New Member

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    Bill Parcells said it best :

    "If I'm going to be cooking the soup, I want to shop for the ingredients"

    Whoever we get as Head Coach, I want to give that person the keys and let them hire who they want to. It's very important for them to be on the same page
     
  13. Anonymous

    Anonymous Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Who ever has Luck, will have who ever he wants.
     
  14. Styla

    Styla #1 Davone Bess Fan!!!

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    Best news I have read tonight...
     
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  15. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Historical fact...

    No head coach coach ever in the NFL has won the Super Bowl with two different teams...ever. Not Vince Lombardi, not Don Shula, not Bill Parcells, not Jimmy Johnson, not Dan Reeves...no one ever has!

    Why would you want Jon Gruden???
     
  16. muscle979

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    That's not a good reason to limit a coaching search. I don't see what any of those guys have to do with Jon Gruden or Bill Cowher.
     
  17. SargeZ33

    SargeZ33 Semperfi!

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    As long as the GM is gone too, im ok.
     
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  18. CD13

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    I like Gruden better, this games has changed, is all about the QB and passing, seems like Gruden would do better to groom a new QB and install a new and exciting offense, rather than Cowher who seems like he would be Bill Part 2.
     
  19. CD13

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    I got more problems with Ireland, his free agent pickups have been awful this year. No TE, no RT, Bush and then don't use him right...
     
  20. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    Because it's not sound decision making to hire coaches based on a ridiculously small sample size.
     
  21. fin13

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    Parcells can't cook worth a ****.
    Look at the best team and what is their formula and then copy it. Greenbay is that team
     
  22. CrunchTime

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    Barry Jackson is intimating that Cowher is Ross s first choice.
    The fact is we really dont know .

    We are liable to hear all sorts of rumors most of them from overimaginative bloggers or journalists that need to fill space and get hits.
     
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  23. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    There will be a lot of rumors, and the big let down will be when Ross decides to keep Ireland and let him pick the coach.
     
  24. SICK

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    And it will probably be Wade Phillips.........
     
  25. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Ummmm, maybe because Gruden and Cowher already won a Super Bowl?
    MAYBE because I want the Dolphins to WIN a Super Bowl?
    MAYBE because the FACTS show no head coach has won a Super Bowl with two diferent teams.
    I don't want a team that just has a good showing every year. I want the dynasty we began back in the 70's back.
     
  26. schmolioot

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    It's a small sample size. hiring Gruden or Cowher doesn't eliminate you from SB contention. Coaches in all other major sports have taken two teams to titles. Pat Riley, Phil Jackson, etc. I'm sure there are baseball and hockey guys I'm not thinking of.
     
  27. SICK

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    Ya but those numbers are skewed. There have been 45 super bowl winning teams, a lot of those are repeat coaches. Back 40 years ago, coaches werent moving around that much, and if they did, the game passed them bye, there are also PLENTY of coaches signed as assistants that never won a superbowl either, does that mean we should not sign them?

    Also, Cowher and Gruden are different monsters, Gruden was always one of the younger active coaches when he was in the league, he's still very young when it comes to coaching standards in the NFL. This isnt just Bill Parcells coaching 20-30 years later, this is a young guy thats itching to get back into it with prior success.

    And if you wanna get technical, Gruden won the superbowl with a team, against a team he left the season prior, so he did a damn fine job transistioning, whichever way you look at it.
     
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  28. RevRick

    RevRick Long Haired Leaping Gnome Club Member

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    I wish we could fist pump a post twice, or maybe a two-handed fist pump.

    Ladies and gentlemen.... and I use that word advisedly.... We have been down that road before. Big name, big ego, big hopes, and I can't see where that has gotten us one step closer to the promised land. Now.... Get a good football man in as the head man - President, General Manager, Dread Lord of the Universe, whatever, and let him find the right person for the job from among those who are looking to move up into the ranks of historical, as opposed to hysterical, head coaches.
     
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  29. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    How is it Irelands fault that Bush is used wrong?
     
  30. ckparrothead

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    That's a misinterpretation of what Barry Jackson said.
     
  31. ckparrothead

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    It's Ireland's fault that Bush is not a good football player and the New Orleans Saints are having a good laugh at how we took Reggie off their hands so that they could upgrade with a player in Darren Sproles that is making less money than we are paying Bush to go party with strippers the night after a big loss.
     
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  32. Stringer Bell

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    Because the front office should be in place long after the head coach leaves.

    I have no doubt that Jon Gruden has no interest in functioning in a dual role. What I doubt is that Jon Gruden has the necessary expertise to evaluate executives and organize the infrastructure of football operations.

    And generally, if a GM is hiring the head coach, then it would be safe to assume there is a mutual trust there.
     
  33. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    I'm going to start a blog saying that Ross's first pick as head coach is going to be Lane Kiffen. Let's see how far that goes. I can say a "High ranking un-named source" said it.
     
  34. DOLFANMIKE

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    Yeah, based on our already begining to run the Spread it wouldn't necessarily be a bad move to build on that work. I'd guess the West Coast would also be a possibility if we hire Gruden. I don't know why, but I've felt it would be him since we first started discussing coaching replacements for Sparano. I think Cowher could have the job if he wanted it, I just don't think he wants it.
     
  35. DOLFANMIKE

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    I'm kind of intrigued by Chudzinski as a possible HC.
     
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  36. SICK

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    Chud with Robert Griffin III would be cool. (or luck obviously)
     
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  37. rafael

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    The problem with the strategy is that so called "football geniuses" are guys that have usually done it once and are more likely to burn out, quit, whatever. And the fact is that it isn't just a "who Miami picked" problem. The strategy has rarely worked with any NFL team. Off the top of my head, I can't think of a time when it did work since Shula came over from Baltimore and even he was a SB loser at the time. Gruden and Cowher are the current geniuses out there with SB wins. I wonder if Cowher would still have the energy and drive to do it again. Gruden probably does, but really with both of those guys it will probably come down to the GM. I don't think we'd end up all that happy if we gave either of those guys the keys to the kingdom. Fans will never be thrilled by it, but the strategy that tends to work more often is to bring up guys that were successful coordinators. That results in Sean Payton, Mike Tomlin, etc., but it also results in Sparano.
     
  38. DOLFANMIKE

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    When you walk on the sidewalk do you avoid the cracks?

    Saying you don't want to hire someone because they have already proven to be successful at what you are trying to do just doesn't make sense. Regardless of the "history" behind it. How many coaches can win a Super Bowl every season? Just because none of the winners didn't repeat doesn't mean they did a bad job trying.
     
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  39. ckparrothead

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    That's really working out for Ireland and Sparano right now.
     
  40. CrunchTime

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    The argument that lightning doesnt strike twice in the same spot as far as coaches not being able to lead two teams to SBs is overthinking the situation IMO.There is always a first time for everything .

    Coaches with a proven track record are more likely to be succesful than an up and coming OC or a College Coach .I am pretty sure the statistics would bear that out.
     
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