Merged x 1 Billion: All Things 'Suck for Luck'

6 of 11 starters on D were the same from 2007-2008. Going 1-15 didn't contaminate Roth, Bell, Will allen, Holliday, Joey Porter, etc.

It's nonsense.

 

You do realize that we went 1-15 between Saban and 08, right?

 

I don't disagree. But ownership and a front office not being committed to winning, and not being committed to the 53 guys on the roster right now, would be prohibitive to a lot of that IMO.

 

Those things might happen and you still go 2-14 compared to 6-10 because most games are decided by one or two plays that can go either way.

 

Suck for Luck is a fan thing.

How is the organization not trying to win? They put out a team that many here thought was a playoff contender. Those people and the organization were wrong. and now we have injuries to boot. It happens.

 

Hasn't happened yet. But things like putting Pat Devlin in, etc. will be a pretty obvious indicator, not only to fans, but to the rest of the NFL.

 

It's really no different from 2007 at all - and that lousy season didn't stop the team from competing hard a year later under a new coaching staff. Oh, and back then, we basically waved the "not committed to winning now" flag when we traded Chris Chambers and played John Beck.

 

Well we're not putting Devlin in. But if Matt Moore got hurt, what else are we supposed to do? We are devloping the guy and if you're down to your third QB, you are pretty much done anyway.

Last year, Arizona started two UDFA rookie QBs and no one suggested they were deliberately tanking the season.

 

Sure, look at the 08 starters, the core was already here, they just added Penny and subtracted JT.

 

And yet, they took Big Jake #1 overall.

 

Thank you.

The whole notion is nonsense. I think some people just can't wrap their minds about wanting to lose or at least not caring about the outcomes. Particularly because in 2007 we were dying to get that one win.

 

Yes, I would venture to say that Wayne Huizenga, Randy Mueller, and Cam Cameron had little to no respect after that year. And how many players were we able to keep from that 07 team? The players had such little respect for the organization after that, that the next regime had to flush out as many as possible.

In the case of Huizenga, ignorance/incompetence was the obvious excuse. The guy had no clue. Stephen Ross seems a lot sharper, and I don't see that excuse holding up.

 

So what exactly would stop a new coaching staff from keeping the 2011 core when nothing stopped this coaching staff from keeping the 07 core after a 1-15 season?

 

Maybe a mistake. One that would not (I think) be repeated this time

 

It wasnt that long ago Belichick and the Pats were 6-10. The next year they started 1-3 including a loss to the Bungles back when they were the Bungles. Some people in Boston where calling for BB's head. That same year they won super bowl. All because of one player.

Dont tell me one franchise qb cant turn a garbage team into a legitimate team. Look at Indy. Hell, take away fitzgerald the Bills are winless right now.

The best thing for the future of this franchise is getting Luck. If you think we would be better off going 6-10 than getting andrew luck, im sorry i think your nuts

 

We kept plenty of guys. Soliai, W. allen, J. allen, Bell, roth, Joey Porter, Camarillo, Ginn, Carey, RB and Ricky, Vonnie Holliday, etc., all played roles for this team the last year three years and all were kept or let go (except Roth) approximately when they would have been let go anyway by Cameron/Mueller had they stayed

 

Erm. Pretty much all of those we wanted to?

 

Bradford hype withstanding when I want Landry Jones I see pinpoint accuracy. I mean it is just excellent, with good arm strength. His release is exceptionally fast. I'm envisioning Marino like days with much stronger rushing up the middle with Jones. With how fast he gets the ball out (people consider that a problem, but he's not always dinking and dunking), Jones and a strong running game are a recipe for Madden numbers. Jones is also good in the red zone, capable of throwing a number of routes Henne just isn't capable of especially the fade. Like I said though the accuracy and them arm strength of Jones is very tempting. The key is running the ball. Spread offenses like this succeed when you have a heck of a running back combo flat out running over undersized dime defenses up the middle.

Could it be the base offense, absolutely. I would love to see 3-4 defenses have to put their dime defenses out for sixty minutes, bullied around by a short passing attack. Against my team, you aren't teeing off on an unprotected QB looking down the field. You are getting run over, while spread out. It is ugly, physical brutal football and your CBs will break down after getting blocked, run at, and repeatedly stiff-armed again and again.

Oh and then comes Tim Tebow as a change-up to my fast ball. He'll run over your CBs too.

 

Why would Mike Pouncey even come in unless its a game day? Why would Cam Wake practice? Whats the point, the team is done for the year.

Because the motive wasn't there.

 

Come on. Any team down to their 3rd qB is in trouble. All the players know it but they come in and do their jobs because that's what they do.

How do you know? Maybe they really wanted Newton but simply won too many games.

 

I certainly wasn't dying for a win. I was rather indifferent. Its clear the team had quit.

 

Most people did not want to go 0-16 and live with that indigintiy.

Although the Lions don't seem to be bothered much by it now.

 

The indignity to me isn't in the W/L, but in the actual effort and commitment.

 

Because the rookie cap wasn't there. This whole "Suck for Luck" business would look a lot different if you had to give the guy an 80+ million dollar contract. It wouldn't make him a worse prospect, but the fact that you will get him for basically mediocre FA money makes the prize all the more enticing.

 

It's going to be about 4/24m all guaranteed. That's nothing.

 

I've never debated how enticing the prize is.

Look, if the team does the best that it can, and ends up 0-16 with the #1 pick, I wouldn't be upset, and I'd look forward to having Andrew Luck. But if the team ends up with the #1 pick because they weren't committed to winning with the roster they have now, then I would have a hard time respecting the organization. I have -0- respect for any team that has to "go after" the #1 overall pick. The pick should go to the team that most deserves it, not the team that most eschews winning in the current season.

 

How could you tell the difference?

If we end up with a ton of injuries, what are you going to do?

 

Depends who is injured?

Obviously its something that will be determined subjectively. But as you've pointed out, there have been teams in other leagues where it was quite obvious. And considering how good of a prospect Luck is, I'm sure there will be at least one team that makes it quite obvious to everyone.

 

/End thread.

 

That's certainly your prerogative.

Personally, I've stopped applying moral concepts to sports organizations. This way, in my experience, self-delusions lie. If I got upset every time my teams did something cowardly, condemnable, disrespectful or morally corrupt, I'd prolly be watching Snooker by now.

 

Are the Colts making it obvious? I mean they are playing Curtis Painter and signed a half dead Kerry collins.

 

Good point.

I want to see this team get to the Super Bowl. I think andrew Luck is among the quickest ways to get there. That's all. And I don;t really care what we need to do to acquire him.

 

Not get upset. I'm too old for that. Just lose respect.

If "anything goes", then there certainly are a myriad of options aside from intentionally losing.

 

This organization employs guys who beat their wives. I don't think there's much respect left I can lose over intentionally losing games.

 

I have no interest in judging them personally, just in a football capacity.

 

Carma is a beach! All this rooting to lose, tanking the season, wishing for losses! We're going to really suck and just miss Luck.

 

Karma is a stupid superstition... And even if it wasn't, Karma would be us sucking for luck after the years of suffering we've had to endure.

 

Being someone that has really kind of started to embrace the whole Karma concept, let me put a slightly different spin on it. Maybe these last 11-12 years are our payback for getting to watch one of the greatest QB's to ever grace the gridiron, all the while wearing aqua and orange?

I mean, did Dan make a deal with the devil or what?

 

or he's gonna turn us down because he would rather play for elway.

 

Updated Power Rankings: http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/2011/10/nfl-power-rankings-suck-for-luck-week-5/

So let’s take a closer look at how the teams are position in this week’s Suck For Luck Power Rankings:

1. Indianapolis Colts 0-4
With the Chiefs’ victory over the winless Vikings yesterday, the Colts move into the top spot. While my lifelong curse of being a Dolphins fan means I desperately want Miami to get the #1 pick, the objective football fan in me wants to see it go to the Colts for the mere fact that it would be fascinating to see what they’d do with it if Peyton Manning is given a clean bill of health. Not that Colts fans deserve another franchise QB, but that’s a topic for another article.
2. Miami Dolphins 0-4
And speaking of a fan base that doesn’t deserve another franchise QB…
Miami continues to lose and it looks like Tony Sparano might not make it through the entire season. It’s shocking that installing Reggie Bush as your everydown back didn’t lead to an offensive renaissance for Miami, but it’s not like they had a precedent to learn from.
3. Kansas City Chiefs 1-3
Now here is a fan base that does deserve a franchise QB. Matt Cassel is a nice player, and he loves his fig newtons, but he’s no franchise QB. A franchise QB can help guide a team through the awful injuries the Chiefs have endured this year. Cassel can’t. I just hope that if the Chiefs get luck they pair him with a real head coach.
4. Denver Broncos 1-3
This team’s roster is stocked with quarterbacks. They have a solid veteran in Kyle Orton who can win if the team around him is solid, and they have two former college phenoms and 1st round picks in Brady Quinn and Tim Tebow. Yet, they really have no quarterback at all. You have to think Tim Tebow will get to play at some point, and while I think he’ll do a decent job he isn’t going to make this ragtag bunch a winner. They are a definite contender in this race.
5. Seattle Seahawks 1-3
A valiant effort against the Falcons, but it came up just short. The Seahawks being in the NFC West, which means they could stumble into a win or two, could actually hurt them in the only standings that matter. (These.)
6. Minnesota Vikings 0-4
The Vikings are terrible, but I keep them low in these rankings because a) they still have the talent to start pulling out some wins at some point (right? RIGHT?) and b) they drafted a QB in the first round last year, which lessens the likelihood of them taking Luck.
7. Jacksonville Jaguars 1-3
The Jags are terrible, and Blaine Gabbert is no Cam Newton. Still, they spent a high pick on him, so they likely wouldn’t take Luck either, and I think they can get enough wins for it not to be a question.
8. St. Louis Rams 0-4
Yes, I realize that the Rams continue to lose and look awful doing so, but I’m not changing my tune on this team…yet. I think they’ll pick up some wins during the second half of the season when the schedule lightens up and the offense gels a bit. They also already have a franchise QB in Sam Bradford.
9. Arizona Cardinals 1-3
Kevin Kolb has five touchdowns and four INTs through four games. People are disappointed in this, but it’s right on par with the 11:10 career touchdown to INT ratio he entered the season with. Like the Seahawks, Arizona might stumble into some victories being the NFC West, but I don’t think it’s out of the question that they’d grab Luck if they had the chance, thanks to the significantly lessened amount of money the new CBA grants to top picks.
10. Philadelphia Eagles 1-3
Who would have ever thought the Eagles would make their way onto this list? But when you are 1-3, look awful, and lose a 17-point lead to Alex Smith at home, you get tossed into the bottom third of the league. And yes, I think they’d take Luck in a heartbeat, even after signing Vick, and they’d be smart to do so. The only problem is that The Linc – hell, the entire city – might get firebombed by irate Philly fans if they continue to lose enough games to actually have a chance at him.
Remember to also check out With Leather’s Suck for Luck Power Rankings as well.