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High on Sage..

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Killer, Oct 7, 2011.

  1. Killer

    Killer New Member

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    Most Dolphins Fans remember a 4th round Green QB traded from Washington. But time times have changed and so do circumstances. Sage gives a greater potential to the Dolphins at winning games. So why haven't teams played him? Circumstances! Remember, this is the guy who came off the Dolphins bench and led Miami's biggest comeback since 1974, when he entered their Week 13 game against the Bills. Two weeks later he entered another Dolphin game at halftime versus the Jets with the score tied 10–10, and led them on two scoring drives to get the win 24–20. In Houston, Sage was impressive. In 2006, the Texans trailed the Titans 21–3 before he threw three second-half touchdown passes to cut the lead to 28–22 as time ended the comeback. Rosenfels finished the 2007 season at 4–1 as a starter, in comparison to Matt Shaub's 4–7 on the season. Not only that, but in the same season, he tied an NFL record by throwing four 4th-quarter touchdown passes to give the Texans a 36–35 lead over a Titans team that eventually won by a field goal.

    The problem in Houston was they invested a future in Shaub and as a starter in Texas, Sage, was 6-4 over three seasons. In February of 2009, Sage was acquired by the Vikes to battle Tavaris Jackson for the Starting job. It was a complete Joke. There was no competition. Coach Childress reached on a second round pick and was determined to prove himself right with Tavaris. The problem was Sage not only gave Tavaris a run for his money but actually looked better. Alas, Sage had issues with staying healthy since most of the time he was under the back-up line. Things only got worse when Childress tried saving his *** by pleading for Attention Whore, Brett Favre. Thus the signing pushed Sage further down the depth Chart. Eventually Childress and his Muse, Tavaris where sent packing after a second dysfunctional season with Favre...mixed with a little Randy Moss. On September 3, 2010, Rosenfels was traded, along with RB Darius Reynaud, to the Giants.

    He was Eli Manning's backup throughout the season, and also was the team's holder for field goals and extra points. His only action at
    quarterback was in the 4th quarter of a victory at Seattle. In 2011 he was diagnosed with a blood disease and put on IR until this point. Here in Miami we have our own little Tavaris/Childress story. A coach who is determined to prove himself right and everyone wrong about his reach of QB in the second round. Only this time the "future" is out for the season and a mediocre QB named Moore stands in the way of a Savvy QB vet who knows how to win and get the ball to his receivers. Sounds to me like the circumstances are right for a breakout. I hope you all agree that we have potentially a sleeping giant ready to wake an offense. GO PHINS!
     
  2. FinsAreLife

    FinsAreLife Well-Known Member

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    i just hope we dont continue to embarass ourselves....
     
  3. PhinsRock

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    Fine, go ahead and crush my hopes for drafting Luck! :tantrum:
     
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  4. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    Rosenfels ****ing blows. Is this really how bad it's gotten? There's actually people out there who think a ****ty 33 year old Rosenfels is the answer? And would like to see him lead this team to meaningless wins? Just ****ing kill me now, please.
     
  5. mommabilly

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    Problem here now is not QB. Regardless if Henne was able to play, or Moore starts or Friggin Peyton Manning came down to play, it all does not matter. Our defense cannot cover anybody. I was at SD and specifically watched our DBs. Believe me, pick anyone you want, they all suk bad. We do not even attempt to cover the middle of the field anymore 10 yards past the line of scrimmage and when they do attempt which is rare, they send out one of our broken down Linebackers to cover TEs or receivers that have twice their speed.

    Its really sad. Phil Sims suked as a QB in NY but they had a defense that broke peoples will. I said it last year, this entier defense and faith in Nolan was far way overboard. This is essentially the same guys as last year and our DBs are doing the same dam thing. Letting every Tom Dick or Harry get behind them on pass routes.
    The offense is not terrible but certainly not good enough at this point in time to overcome the defenses mistakes.

    Last year people screamed the offense was putting the defense in bad situations. Well that is not the case this year. The defense is letting teams march 70-80-90 plus yards down the field. Some say the defense is on the field too long. Well DUH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! maybe if they played the game properly their sorry rear ends would not have to be on the field that long. Honestly, people are hammering everything and the most obvious crap piece of garbage thing on this football team is our entier defense.

    Nolan took a good defense and ruined it. Hiring of Cox as pass rush coach was stupid dum too.
     
  6. NaboCane

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    Tarvaris Jackson makes Pat White look like a success.

    Sage ****ing Rosenfels lost out to Tarvaris Jackson.

    The end.
     
  7. NaboCane

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    And where's your face-painter avatar?
     
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  8. KingofMiami

    KingofMiami FINS ARE KING

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    Sage who?
     
  9. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    As you wish....

    :gun_bandana:
     
  10. Pandarilla

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    Sage has a lot in common with Santa Claus. One is a guy that nobody believes in despite creating miracle gifts wherever he goes. The other is Santa...
     
  11. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    You know, I'd laugh my A$$ off if Sage were to somehow win the starting job and we miraculously win out the rest of the regular season, possibly win the division, go to the playoffs, and possibly win a playoff game or two...

    All the Suck of Luck naysayers would be crying their eyes out!! I'd just laugh at them and say, "yea, but we just had a winning season...just proved you don't need an elite quarterback to win...Sparano's plan starting to take shape...Ireland picked the right players...both of them will be back next year". Now granted after that happened, I'd catch myself snoring and open my eyes....realizing I dozed off and was dreaming, but still...

    I want THAT more than ANYTHING!!
     
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  12. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Sage Rosenfels unfotunately has been on teams that had established franchse QB's and was NEVER going to be the franchise starter. Who knows, maybe the cosmos has finally aligned and he'll get his opportunity.
     
  13. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sage_Rosenfels

    Somebody's got game :yes:
     
  14. Ohio Fanatic

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    Having touted the optimist viewpoint all offseason, preseason, and first 3 weeks, I see nothing optimistic about Sage. Right now, he's just a backup to our backup. In a few weeks, even if he wins the starting job (I do think he's better than Moore) our schedule will get much tougher and he's going to get the crap beat out of him.
     
  15. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Do you actually think our upcoming schedule is going to be any tougher that what Rosenfels faced at that time, in that division? The Jaguars? Titans? Colts? Rosenfels had to face tough opponents and had a 4-1 record as a starter...and showed even in losing efforts that he had game...and the ability to give the defense an opportunity to win a game (Hou v Tenn in 07)

    Sometimes a journeyman quarterback is what a team needs to get things turned around. If you doubt that, ask the Tampa Bay Buccaneers how they felt when they aquired career journeyman Brad Johnson in their rout of the Raiders in Super Bowl XXXVII in 2003, winning 48-21.

    Now is Sage Rosenfels going to lead the Dolphins in a rout of the opposing team in Super Bowl XLVI? Highly unlikely, but what Sage CAN do is light up the scoreboard, give the defense the opportunity to hold on to leads as they are supposed to and show the naysayers, quarterback is the LEAST of this team's problems.

    Who knows, maybe Rosenfels can actually fill that starting QB slot and actually be a mentor to a college draftee QB. God knows Rosenfels has ridden the bench behind some damned fine QB's...Manning, Favre, Schaub. He brings ALOT to the table.
     
  16. jw3102

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    Rosenfels is nothing but a career back up. It is unlikely that he will even play in a game unless Moore is injured. There is a reason he has played for several teams in the NFL and never been able to become the starter.
    He just isn't a very good QB. His choice as the Dolphins back up merely helps the Dolphins in their quest to have the first pick in the 2012 draft.
     
  17. DePhinistr8

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    Deploy the Rosencopter

    [video=youtube;CAKAKE-uq-8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8[/video]
     
  18. padre31

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    We are on the same page Sir!

    What they do not realize is 13 weeks..over 3 months, of "suck for luck" if we are that bad, which is horrible to contemplate to begin with, add in the total rebuild that would be required and...
     
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  19. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Pads, at least you and I see eye to eye on this topic. If we suck THAT badly we are in a position to draft Luck, we would suck at so many levels that drafting Luck would be the equivalent of Detroit drafting Joey Harrington...or Houston drafting David Carr...or San Francisco drafting Alex Smith. Sure, draft a college stud quarterback...and give him NOTHING to work with...and worse...no OL to protect him.

    Luck would get DESTROYED!!!
     
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  20. padre31

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    Absolutely, that would mean cascading failures on every unit, which would require more resources to repair, if we finish say 6-10 with a 3-1 finish or something, then the leveling process would not be needed.
     
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  21. Killer

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    Being all the way up here in Minnesota, I got to see Sage play. I'm telling you that he out played Tavaris. But Childress didn't want to look stupid for Drafting Tavaris so high with a #2 pick only to get beat out by a journeyman QB he traded a 4th round pick for. Then Childress thought that maybe Tavaris could learn something from Favre, ask Rodgers what kind of help Favre was. Hell, before Sage got hurt he was looking better than Favre in the preseason. I'm not saying he is going to save the season but he'll make it pretty damn exciting.
     
  22. schmolioot

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    Once again you bring up this point, with no backup.

    Sometimes alot of things go wrong. We have lost our starting QB, we have a bunch of other lingering injuries. Vontae and Thomas are likely to be on and off injured the whole year. Jake is likely to struggle throughout the season with nagging injuries.

    Are we going to cut those guys simply because they happened to be around for a season that just went wrong?

    Of course not. It's nonsense. And you know it's nonsense. You're smarter than that
     
  23. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    It's a shame the "kids" here just don't see these things.

    All the seem to see is the size of Luck's c0ck and just gotta have it. :lol:
     
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  24. schmolioot

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    Yeah, us "kids" are so dumb. Thank goodness you're here to educate us as to why 5-11 or 6-10 is a huge positive.
     
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  25. padre31

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    Reactionary approach vs thinking strategically, the guys who want to suck, are building the best carrier based aircraft in the world, but forgetting to add, you know, the air craft carrier to land the plane on...:lol:
     
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  26. Killer

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    Seriously? How the hell do you know he blows? He really hasn't played since 2006. If anything he could at least make the season a little more interesting. Who the **** says that Luck is spot on as a NFL QB, for all those who think we're in a race for the #1 pick. Personally, The upcoming QB class has some pretty good passers in it. Unfortunately we won't see one because we need Defense and WR more than ever. I never said Sage was the answer, just said he has the potential.
     
  27. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Ahhh, yes, the "injury factor". Let's see, last year the offensive line was all banged up that Sparano has having to piece meal an O-line together to put on the field. That was the argument many posters used whenever I kept posing the question why Ricky and Ronnie didn't run the ball more. The O-line was all banged up. This year, the O-line is banged up again??????

    Sorry, I don't buy it. The only two on our O-line that are worth a damn right now are Long and Pouncy...and Pouncy's only going to get better. The rest of the line is just plain suspect...period.

    So by all means, let us suck to the highest level of sucktivity...draft Andrew Luck and put him right behind...that SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME offensive line and let Luck learn just how much faster the NFL is than the NCAA, let alone that piss ant conference Stanford plays in which he's racking up those numbers.

    Meanwhile, the team finishing with 5-6 wins will be in a position to draft Landry Jones out of Oklahoma...and just a few missing key elments and watch Jones SOAR to greatness in the NFL.

    God I love being a football prophet...especially when my prophecies come to pass :lol:
     
  28. padre31

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    Uhm, yeah, and the 17 or so other starters?

    At a minimum:

    NT
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    RG
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    LG
    FB
    Wr
    2 ILB's
    Nickel Cb

    All would have to be replaced, and oh yeah, Langford is a FA as is Merling, VD and SS are restricted FA's, so add them to the list.
     
  29. Killer

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    There will be no Ryan Leaeeer uuh Andrew Luck for the Dolphins.
     
  30. FinFan_Est.1984

    FinFan_Est.1984 Get Aggressive!!!

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    Now all we need is Chris Chambers and Marty Booker to be signed. We would be set.....lol
     
  31. schmolioot

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    Perhaps being a "kid" I don;t understand this, but does getting the #1 pick mean that you are not allowed to participate in free agency or the rest of the draft? Are you restricted to that one pick alone?

    We won't have the same o-line next year whether we get the #1 pick or the #10 pick.
     
  32. Striking

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    I like Sage, but I would have like David more. Alas, when you're already out of playoff contention in week 4, a million can be quite painful to part with.
     
  33. schmolioot

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    Most of those would need to be replaced REGARDLESS. We are going to have 3 new starters ont he o-line next eyar whether we finish 2-14 or 7-9. We are going to shuffle the safeties regardless.

    And you still refuse to answer the question of why guys would be "good" at 6-10 but not good at 2-14. Sometimes bad stuff just cascades and there is nothing you can do about it. Happened in 2007. We had plenty of good players, many of whom were key parts of the 2008 turnaround.

    Another example, Indy looks like the worst team in the league. Are they going to get rid of Freeney, Mathis, Bethea, Garcon, Clark, etc.? The answer is no. If Peyton Manning drank a magic potion and returned tomorrow they would start winning. You don;t throw the baby out with the bathwater just because you have a catastrophic season
     
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  34. padre31

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    Fair to say SFLers want a total rebuild then?

    There is a difference between "refusing to answer" and "gave you an answer that you do not want to hear".

    Hmm, clearly well thought out on your part, do tell, how many of those players just signed long term extensions?
     
  35. schmolioot

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    I have no idea how many of Indy's guys are signed long term. I know Wayne and freeney are looking for new deals. And they will get them regardless if Indy pulls out 5 wins or drops down to 2. Again, if Peyton Manning returned tomorrow, taht team would start winning. Those are good players. But without Peyton everything has gone wrong.
     
  36. jw3102

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    What I find interesting is that there are some on here who don't already realize that this team IS going to be blown up after this season. The fact is that the level of talent on this team is below average. The new GM and head coach will come in and start cleaning house immediately. While it is not possible to replace every player on the Dolphins who need to be replaced, in one year. I see the new regime replacing 30 to 40 percent of the players on this roster by next year. After year three, I would expect to see 80- 90% of the roster filled by players, not now on the Dolphins.

    In three years, the only starters I see remaining from this season are, Jake Long, Vontae Davis, Mike Pouncey, Kendall Langford, and possibly Daniel Thomas, if he can stay healthy. Wake, and Dansby , will be kept around for a couple of years, but in three years they will be going on 33 years of age and their best years will be behind them.

    Gates might be able to remain if he starts catching the ball, instead of just being known as someone with great speed. Fields is a keeper as the long term punter, but Carpenter is a question mark for the long term because he is not as consistent this season as he has been in previous years.

    Every other player now on the roster have a very good chance of either being on another team in 2015 or for most of these below average players, out of the league entirely.
     
  37. gilv13

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    This. The sooner people realize this, the better.
     
  38. The_Dark_Knight

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    Don't be too sure of that Schmo. You forget, there are two sides of the ball....offense which all of you S4L guys focus your main attention...and then there's the side of the ball that's the most crucial...defense.

    Last year, even though Indianapolis' offense was 4th in the league in overall offense, their defense was an autrocius 24th in the league overall. The only teams worse on defense than Indianapolis were Seattle, Carolina, Jacksonville, Buffalo, Houston, Arizona, Dallas and Denver (Miami's defense was 13th in the league overall). As powerful as that offense was under Peyton Manning, they still made a hasty 1st round exit from the playoffs.

    Compare that to Indy's 8th ranked defense in 2009. That defense as well as their 7th ranked offense led them to the Super Bowl. Balance Schmo...balance. If Peyton were to start today, sure their offense would drastically improve from its basement dwelling 28th ranked overall offense, but their defense is also ranked 28th overall...and I don't think Peyton plays defense. In fact, their defense is ranked lower than OUR defense.

    (Off topic sidenote...our offense is ranked 26th. The Mighty Steelers...27th...with Super Bowl champion QB Big Ben :lol: )

    I know all you S4L's look at football as offense, offense, offense. I used to as well. Durng the heyday of 4 Horsemen (Marino, Elway, Kelly, Montana), all I ever looked at when it came to football was offense. It wasn't until "The Shoot Out" between Kenny O'Brien and Dan Marino in September 1986, in which Marino threw for 6 touchdown passes, 448 yards and Miami scored 45 points...only to LOSE to Kenny O'Brien who threw 4 touchdowns, 479 yards and the New York Jets scored 51 points. Unbelievable...UNBELIEVABLE!!! How can you throw for 6 touchdowns, 448 yard, score 45 points....and LOSE????? That's when I started looking at the other side of the ball...defense.

    "The Shoot Out" is a testament, to all of you pass happy touchdown thowing football fans today, that you can amass phenominal numbers offensively as Dan Marino did that September afternoon...but if your defense is as worthless as t1ts on a man, you WILL lose!!
     
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  39. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    What makes you think Jeff Ireland is going anywhere? This year's draft is the first draft Ireland conducted without having Bill Parcells over his shoulder...and his first two picks, Mike Pouncey and Daniel Thomas have shown to be great picks.

    Not only that, it's already been reported and posted here (somewhere in the forum) Stephen Ross was PLEASED that Ireland was able to keep costs down. Ireland's done himself well in the eyes of Ross...kept costs low and his first solo draft picked two fine players. Ireland's not going anywhere.
     
  40. schmolioot

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    I get all that.

    but if Peyton Manning returned tomorrow Indy would absolutely win more games than they lost the rest of the way. His presence would lift the whole team, including the defense. Their defense was built to play from ahead when they can unleash their pass rush, whcih is still good.
     

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