Haven't you guys seen the past articles involving the re design of dolphins stadium that the new CEO Mike Dee introduced. It's a great idea, when the marlins move out they are replacing all the seats in the stadium and moving them closer to the field because it wouldn't have to be moved for baseball games. They are also putting a roof on the stadium that just cover's the seats and not the field. So we have all the elements of a home field advantage but the fan's won't have to deal with the effects. I think this is a great idea and really hope they put it in motion asap.
Please explain they how Buffalo that until 2011 has sucked for decades packs its ****tty stadium and Arizona, who has sucked since they moved to AZ now packs their brand new stadium if the people have nothing to cheer for. Also explain how Seattle packs that beautiful place with a so so team, game after game, regardless if they win or lose, the fans show up in force. S Floridians are still dreaming of another Marino, they could care less about the team unless its winning. Those 3 stadiums alone, which I have been to, represent fans that go to games regardless if their teams win or lose.
Buffalo fans fill Ralph Wilson Stadium because they have nothing else to cheer for. As for the Cardinals, they have a new QB throwing to Larry Fitzgerald; I'd buy a ticket to see that. South Floridians are tired of paying annual ticket increases to see an annually worse team. If that bothers you, buy a season ticket and fly out for all 8 home games. You too can sit with the sun in your face surrounded by transplanted Noo Yawkahs watching the Dolphins flounder to yet another straight home loss. While you're at it, you can pay the tourist tax that Stephen Ross wanted Broward County to pass to fund stadium renovations, all the while telling yourself how superior you are to local fans. Enjoy.
if you think losing millions of dollars and watching flat performances at home that results in losses is overstating its affect than we disagree.. The point is the seahawks fanbase supports their team because they want to be a part of that experience..advantage football team..advantage emotional lift.. are you not curious as to why you keep hearing about how absent emotion is for our club over the past decades, ive heard the same ole story for years and years.. 1 and 12 in no fluke, 56 strait is no fluke either, its a real problem, and no matter what dynamic started it, its spiraling down quickly. No matter what coach comes in here, fans will always show up late at this place and consistently sit on their *** during the game, thus negatively starting the eroding process all over again...Players HATE playing here, and if they think that then its probably gonna affect their emotional investment...just ask them if you get a chance..
The rest of your post is just your opinion and we go back and forth on it. But this… I can't ignore this. This is MIAMI. Players LOVE Miami. It's paradise. Players don't have to pay taxes on the games they play here. There's a nightlife perfect for the young athlete with money to burn, or plenty of good neighborhoods and schools for the married athlete with kids. The weather is great year-round. The area is beautiful (mostly). Players love Miami.
and all three teams that you mention play in a place that has been talked about in terms of being a great atmosphere to watch a game.. Its quite elementary and a great concept, if the stadium can provide a great atmosphere, the fans will come no matter the product..
The City Commission were the only ones to vote on it though. The Marlins refused to open their books and it was not until after the approval that any type of books were ever seen. There is so much controversy surrounding it that the only way the Dolphins could ever get approval for a new stadium or renovations is if it were to be another vote from a commission. The public surely will not go for it...
Buffalo has no MLB or NBA team. It's just the Bills. and I guess if you like hockey you got the Sabres. They also went to 4 consecutive Super Bowls from 90-93. Arizona went to a Super bowl a few years ago. They also had Larry Fitz and Anquan Boldin for a long time, creating a high scoring offense that was fun to watch. The Seahawks have no NBA team, and they actually reached a Super Bowl recently (2005). The Dolphins have not won a playoff game since 2000. That's 11 years. Oh, and by the way, after winning that playoff game, Dolphins got humiliated 27-0 the next game vs the Raiders. The Dolphins also have to compete with NBA, MLB, and NHL. The Miami Heat make the Dolphins look pathetic. Quite a few ex-Dolphin season ticket holders are now Miami Heat season ticket holders.... and for good reason. The Heat are the biggest draw in all of basketball, on television and in any arena they play because of LeBron-Wade-Bosh.... also the Miami Heat are not a pathetic franchise. Pat Riley makes sure that team is only down for a few years, and then they are back again. People take notice. If the Dolphins don't clean up their act, this will become a basketball town.
We must remember how offenses and defenses change thru time. Though teams pass more now, it does not mean this will be forever. Things can change with a simple rule change or it could be a certain type of defense that sends teams back to power running. Which would be exactly why I would keep the elements in the game with regards to stadium structures...
Considering that the post-1978 rules environment is to promote more and more scoring—fans like touchdowns—it's highly, highly unlikely that there will ever be a rule change that suddenly makes power running the focal point of the NFL offense. Hell, teams already run too much on 2nd down as is. Which is fine. I'm not advocating that we build a dome. I'm just trying to add some perspective here.
I meant the stadium Des, and its not just my opinion..I've come to this level of conviction because I have kept my ears open since we moved in to the cementary, Ive heard players opinions,pundits opinions, I've watched other teams venues provide tangible proof to support my theory..
but your perspective has nothing to do with changing what most people realize is a big disadvantage for both programs, yet have no idea whats causing it.
thats why the stadium is empty. i dont think there should be dome, but there could be some type of translucent covering to block the insane sun. there was a proposal like that now long ago for a tampa bay rays stadium. its feasible
I have no idea how you conclude that I am stating that all buildings are alike. I certainly understand that the there are many differences between stadiums. My point was that fans are not showing up right now because of the product on the field. Not because it is hot in the stadium. I just don't see more fans wanting to pay to see the Dolphins right now when they are one of the worst teams in the NFL, whether the stadium has a dome or not. Ross doesn't need to spend one cent on upgrading the stadium. Instead he should take all that money and spend it on upgrading the GM, the HC, and the talent on the team. Once the Dolphins become a winning team again, fans will have no problem showing up for games. I have personally traveled to almost every stadium in the NFL following the Dolphins over the last 40 years. I have attended games played in dome stadiums and I can honestly state that I much prefer an outdoor stadium to a dome stadium. Playing inside a dome stadium seems to take away from the game, as far as I am concerned.
"If you build it, they will come." In this case, "it" is not a new stadium; it's a better football team. This has been proven repeatedly by this fan base, notably the 2008 Ravens playoff game and 2009 MNF Jets game.
WE don't need a dome at all, we need a consistent winning team. get that and the stadium will be filled.
You've never herd a player say its a lousy stadium to play in. Not win the team is winning and contending for playoff spots. Sorry but former players like Ricky Williams who commented that the Ravens place was nothing like playing in Miami was only due to the fact that Miami has sucked for almost every season since he was traded here. Oh except the year he ran for 1800 yards and had the team in contention. That stadium rocked the entire season...
I think we had a homefield advantage back in the 1970's, when we were winning Superbowls, because we ran the ball like crazy and totally controlled the line of scrimmage and clock. That kept opposing defenses on the field and they would drop dead by the second half. Today's game is much different.....we can control the ball for 45 minutes like we did against the Colts a year ago, and still lose because Peyton Manning was able to slice and dice our defense apart in 15 minutes of passing. I've never watched a Phin's game in Miami but I probably would chose to watch it at home or a sport's bar rather then sweating in the sun. They have some really nice outdoors stadiums in Europe and elsewhere that shade the fans and leave the playing area in the sun. I think that would be the best thing the Phins could do whenever they build a new stadium. They also could maybe make air conditioned seats or have misting machines all over the place.
It's not highly unlikely at all. It will change sooner or later to favor Cb's soon enough with a simple rule change.
Exactly and precisely this. Unless they eliminate the rule that DBs can't make contact after 5 yards (one of the original 1978 rules changes), then no, CBs are not going to be favored by the rules anytime soon. If you suggested that to the competition committee, they would show you footage of Revis and Nnamdi and then laugh you out of the room.
Not at all Deej. The stands can absolutely be moved forward. It's the cost that Ross or WH do not want to fork out...
no they wont because I'll show them 20 other teams starting Cb's getting their asses beat constantly and they'll shut right up. It's not just up to the competition committee. The NFL owners have every right to suggest a change of rules or additions to them..
That's essentially what was in the plans for the 400 million dollar renovation they proposed, but it couldn't get the support needed.
I am right but It's because people flock to South Florida to live because it seems to be a hell of a lot better than you make it out to be. Trust me, I'm staying right here in the humid heat of Miami Dade County! I absolutely love it here! As do so many others. Do you also know that the great stadium in Arizona came within inches of having a playoff game blacked out? The 155 degree mention in your post was pretty funny though.
Yep! Ross could get a loan from the NFL though. That's what revenue sharing is for. Case in point was money loaned to the Patriots to build their new stadium...
Allianz Stadium in Munich, Germany is the type of stadium we need. Bayern-Munich's soccer team plays there...it seats 70,000 and most people are in the shade. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allianz_Arena
Nothing has been mentioned about them moving the seats forward without it being mentioned along with the other upgrades and that the Dolphins are seeking financial help doing it.
This is false. Mike Dee has said on multiple occasions that the seats are being moved forward after this season. The Dolphins seeking a tourist tax to further renovate SLS has nothing to do with the seating but changes that Roger Goodell wants to see to secure future Super Bowls at SLS. Yes, I know, the NFL just gave a Super Bowl to New York in February, but apparently SLS needs a roof to keep the elements out. The Dolphins did propose further lower bowl renovations as part of the changes to be funded with that tax, but that's a separate issue from moving seats forward after this season, which is going ahead now that the Marlins are gone.
I've listened to Mike Dee a hell of a lot on radio shows over the last year and he's never once said the seat are being moved! He is a clown to begin with because what he wants is to bring SOME of the seats closer while ADDING 3500 seats. What is needed is to bring the entire lower bowl closer. That's what Huizenga looked into doing.
I believe either you or I are misinterpreting what Dee said, I thought he said he was gonna add more rows, not move it closer structurally?..A while ago we talked about how it could be done srtucturally, and if I recall, there was some very informative posters who talked about how you couldn't actually do it unless you were to completely tear everything apart?
Players want to feel like their fans are on top of them Oz, if they don't, they feel separated, like they can get away with sh^# without being caught..At least thats how I heard it best described.
I'd like to know where you get "the vast majority" from. The group I've been going to games with for years... all of them to a tee HATE the idea of a dome as do I. I hate domes. Football is not meant to be played on carpet in condo conditions. Some of the best games I've ever been to or watched were affected by the elements. Count me in as a definite detractor. Maybe a retractable dome but a fixed dome..... I'd prob. never go to a game again.
As I said CR, it was from talking to many local fans over the years. It's come from long time season ticket holders to Phans going to their first game. It's come from games, draft parties, Pubs, and work. I would say it's been roughly 3 of 4 in favor, and the only thing we've talked about is a retractable dome used when needed. One other thing to consider is that MANY DIE HARD Phans can no longer afford to go to a lot of games. Other Phans, like the corporate type, do not want to brave the elements. This leaves a lot of empty seats, which is nothing good for the team. JMO
I was at the raven game..my section {except me and a few} sat on their *** til the 4th quarter, I felt what level was there in that stadium that day, and it has nothing to do with what I'am getting at here..weak sauce relatively speaking. The stadium does not induce the fan,your not gonna get consistency from a fans perspective playing in that stadium, it takes too much on their part to generate any type of tangible energy, I believe that monday nite game, finally the fans at the stadium reached their apex after a series of good things happened, and were standing in unison, however, the fact thaqt were talking about extremely isolated incidents over a few decades should tell you how bad it is the rest of the time..and even when it is at its apex, the players are still so far away that its not nearly as impactful as it could be.. Adrenaline can make you do great things Des, and there is a way to achieve that thru the energy of the fans and the way a stadium is built.
