I doubt he does that with Andrew Luck as his quarterback. With Landry Jones at QB perhaps he does. He might even trade for Tebow. One thing that I don't think will change will be his preference for short passing. Oh and a good note in case Ireland does stay. Ireland has the kind of ego to continue to draft as he likes (has done a decent job), but he may lend his ear to what Jon Gruden likes in FA. Gruden usually did a good job at using veterans to play well for him over the years and that's the best kind of team. Many Superbowl champions that kind of leadership that put a sense of urgency into the team. In fact I can't think of too many that didn't have that.
Don't know if it's just a rehash but it was posted today http://eye-on-football.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22475988/32601277
You owe me a new MacBook Pro. I just vomited on mine. Horrible choice if true. Leopards don't change their spots: for all the talk of Gruden studying college offenses and looking good on those QB camp specials, the guy still doesn't have a track record of developing or even caring about young QBs. If anything, I suspect that Gruden would use the "Hey, I'm incorporating good ideas from college offenses" as an excuse to stick with veterans under the pretense that they're better equipped to learn a new scheme quicker.
your gonna say horrible choice to a coach that has taken 2 teams to a superbowl, who looks like he wants to be our coach, and the theory that he might of changed some philosophies about the position..He helped rich gannon into an MVP QB, and Brad Johnson into a superbowl winning one... Why criticize man, why now, why before he takes the freakin job....to use the word ''horrible'' is a bunch of BS to me Des.
Yeah, I'm going to say "horrible choice" to a guy that ran the Bucs into the ground, from Super Bowl to Toilet Bowl. He has never developed a young QB, his offenses in TB were actually fairly anemic, and he's never shown me that he can be relied upon to turn a franchise around. He's also a huge a-hole, to the point where he'd be Saban all over again, without the coaching excellence. I don't trust Jon Gruden with Andrew Luck, Landry Jones, Matt Barkley, Brandon Weeden, or any other rookie QB we're going to draft. But hey, he looks great on ESPN, so he must he the best choice, right? /Parcells
What facts? I'm not gonna lay a coach out before he coaches one game. Hell, he hasn't even been hired yet. You have no idea how he may have changed in his time away from coaching, you are just injecting your opinion as fact. Good thing the patriots didn't take your approach to hiring a coach. Belichick would still be unemployed. Wait, I wish the Pats would've taken your approach.
I take upgrades anywhere I can get them with this franchise....and Gruden is easily an upgrade over Sparano.
Gruden is the best choice of the three most mentioned currently unemployed head coaches (along with Cowher and Fisher). The reason I think he's the best candidate is adaptability. He's the most likely of those three coaches to change and go against the grain of traditional thinking in the NFL. Let's look at some facts here. Jon Gruden has been studying the various college spread offenses since he was fired in 2009. He almost took the offensive coordinator job for Chip Kelly at Oregon just so he could learn that offense. He has spent time with Urban Meyer in an attempt to learn his offense. He has gone to various coaching clinics about the spread offense just to soak up as much as he can about it. He even spent time with Al Groh at Virginia before he got fired after Al Groh hired Gregg Brandon as his offensive coordinator. Virginia was transitioning from a pro style offense to the spread. This guy is putting entirely too much time into learning this offense to not use it when he comes back to the NFL. I feel like Jon Gruden has had time to sit back and see the direction the NFL is going, and I think he sees that there will be more and more opportunities for space players and even dual threats at the quarterback position down the road. Some want to bring up the point that he hasn't developed a young quarterback. Tell me this. What young quarterback has he had a chance to develop? He didn't develop Chris Sims, but neither did anyone else. Sims is really the only young quarterback he has had, unless you think Marques Tuiasosopo was worth developing. Also, he didn't run Tampa Bay into the ground. He took over a situation that was heading for salary cap hell, and he still was very competitive with those teams. If Gruden comes on board, I'm excited about the possibilities of running a completely different offense in the NFL - perhaps something the NFL has never seen before.
Well, to me, what the Dolphins need is a different approach then the BB/Parcells one they have followed for the last 7 seasons, Saban was a BB guy, that did not work out, Sparano is a Bb's papa guy, Parcells, and the results have been mixed. Jets and Bills did not try to out patriot the patriots, and it has paid dividends.
no,thats not the reason, first of all Cowher is my first choice, what I think is BS is judging the man with those credentials, when you have no idea how he would coach in our situation, or what he has learned...I guess its just my take that ''horrible choice'' is a little to premature for a guy who has not been a part of your own organization...there's just too much we don't know..and if he is gonna be our coach, I think there should be a timetable before we sh%$ on the guy.
Actually, I described his tenure with the Bucs, which is more relevant than his time in Oakland because Gruden had final say in TB. For example, when the Bucs drafted Aqib Talib, Monte Kiffin had to lobby Gruden so hard he was practically begging. The Bucs were set up like we were under Saban, with the GM (Bruce Allen) functioning as basically the organizer of scouts rather than as a roster builder, just as Randy Mueller did for Saban. There's also nothing in Gruden's track record that indicates he's able or willing to develop a rookie QB, too. He actively avoided that scenario and instead preferred veterans like Rich Gannon and Jeff Garcia (who later criticized Gruden). His QB camp specials on ESPN are great television, very revealing and entertaining, but his career conduct is basically the exact opposite of the QB camp shows. For a franchise in our situation, projected to fire the coaching staff and possibly the GM as well, Jon Gruden would not be a good choice to take over. Since we're going to inject ad hominem crap into this, if you're going to ask if Gruden ever punched me, I'll ask you this: has Gruden ever bribed you to say good things about him on message boards? The Belichick comparison is particularly outlandish.
How is it outlandish? It's exactly what you are doing. You don't want Gruden hired because of your notion he failed as a head coach. As did Belichick in Cleveland. Only difference is Belichick never won anything in Cleveland, while Gruden won a Super Bowl in Tampa.
I don't want Gruden hired because he's a poor fit for where this franchise is at right now. If we had an established GM with final authority ala Ted Thompson or AJ Smith, then Gruden would be more palatable. But I don't want him making personnel decisions and I don't want him in a position to play and develop a rookie QB. Gruden is like my 7th or 8th choice as HC behind guys like Chuck Pagano. But I think he'd be good on a team like the Colts, assuming Manning comes back.
But Bill Cowher is a better coach for this situation? I'm not saying you are pushing for Cowher, but lets look at both of these coaches. You state that Gruden's history suggests that he will not be willing to bring along a young quarterback and that he is unlikely to change. Well, there is nothing in Bill Cowher's career that says he will ever abandon his strong run first tendancies or buck traditional NFL thoughts and adapt to what the college game is producing. Plus, in comparing the two, Bill Cowher is much more likely to demand total authority over personnel decisions. I've seen nothing that suggests Jon Gruden even wants to have final say in all personnel decisions. Maybe he does, but his actions doesn't tell me that he is interested in it. He strikes me as a coach that is interested in coaching. The other thing is, Jon Gruden has spent his down time studying various offenses and picking up new things to do. I'm unware of anything like this that Bill Cowher has done. There haven't been any reports of Bill Cower going to Oregon to study Chip Kelly's offense or trying to learn how to utilize the quarterback in the run game from Urban Meyer. For me, Jon Gruden is the best candidate. I feel like he is the guy that will take the Dolphins into the direction I think they need to go in. I know it sounds odd coming from me, but I am totally on board with bucking all tradition in the NFL and just doing something that no one else seems to think will work.
One of the most underrated things about Gruden that I haven't at all seen mentioned is just that the QBs that do play for him tend to have very good seasons. Veteran or not, those players had complete career revivals under the guy. Brad Johnson in his first year in his offense had his numbers jump 16 points. Rich Gannon's career turned around under the guy. Jeff Garcia had a similar year in Tampa as he did in Philly regardless of Philly's much better personnel. The history is there.
If you're not saying I'm pushing for Cowher, why are we looking at him? For the record, I would take Cowher ahead of Gruden, assuming that Cowher in interviews shows that he understands it was Ben Roethlisberger that put him over the top and got him a Super Bowl ring. If he tried to minimize the position and say he could win with guys like Tommy Maddox, I would pass on him. But with all else equal, the combo of Cowher/Khan appeals to me over the combo of, for the sake of argument, Gruden/Ireland. Personally I'd look at Pete Carmichael, Jr. first and foremost, pair him up with maybe a Russ Ball or a Joe Horitz.
well not knowing the dynamics in those situations, and knowing that he has brought 2 different teams to the superbowl, in two different conferences, winning one, also knowing he's still in his forties, has taken 2 QB's who were never great into an MVP and a Superbowl champ, and has worked with great coaches in great systems. Des you might be right about the guy, you might be privy to more info than me about that situation that he was in, I just can't criticize until I see what he does here if he's the guy, not with those credentials..Plus I want to join his brigade to bring back the old fandom of the dolphins..I know he gets excited about that prospect, so I want to give him some support out the gate.
Fair enough. I see your point, I just don't agree. I think he is worth giving him a chance and seeing what he has learned from his time away and how he is going to apply it to his coaching.
Hey at least we know one thing...Ross had good taste in wanting Jim Harbaugh even though he didn't want to be in Miami and they looked like morons flying out there. The 49ers look completely revamped. I don't see how they lose the NFC West, would have to be a big choke.
I can see that point, you just wanna make sure he's focused on his 1 job and thats being the coach?, if there's gm responsibilities you want know part of it?
I remember how freakin stressed out I was at that point, the threads were crazy, I wanted that bastard in the worst way..
I don't want any coach to have final say on personnel. Coaches take a short term view; this season, this game. They're always in win now mode and will sacrifice the future for the present. GMs don't, or at least they're not supposed to. GMs worry about next year, and the year after, and five years after that. I don't think a successful team can have a head coach building the roster. I'm philosophically opposed to it. In Gruden's specific instance, I don't think he built a particularly effective roster in TB, and frittered away—after 2002—the roster he inherited from Dungy.
I agree with those philosophies.Its one of the reasons why I understand SFL..... so next question then?, you want a GM hired first? and are you ok with Peterson being named president of football operations, and if he hires Gruden or Cowher as a coach.?
I agree with this, however I would be happy with gruden as I believe in his coaching, I just don't believe in his personnel moves
Hopefully those "close to the situation" will also be getting their pink slip at the end of the season along with everyone else.
I'm okay with Carl Peterson as interim GM serving out the rest of the season and interviewing GM candidates. I'm not okay with Peterson taking over as full time GM or stepping into Parcells' vacated role. If we hire a new GM who has final authority, and the GM hires the head coach, I'll be happy with that. I won't be thrilled if the head coach is Jon Gruden, but I'll at least be happy that he won't construct the roster.
Wild guess? Jeff Ireland retains his job under the eye of Carl Peterson for a while, while Gruden gets to have heavy say in free agent additions.
I hope not. That's almost a worst case scenario, at least IMO. Have you cleared out space in your PM inbox yet?
You know I have always found Gruden entertaining, but let's take a step back and ask ourselves about the downside for a second. He was clearly disliked by a LOT of people in Tampa (and I don;t mean fans) by the time he left. What does that tell you? I'm not sure what it tells me, but I know it's not a positive. Now consider this... we've heard that it is considered very poor form for coaches to comment on jobs they would want while another coach is in the hotseat. Gruden, as Boomer pointed out, sent plretty loud signals implying he would like the Miami job when he did the MNF broadcast in Miami in week one. NO he did not out-and-out state that he wanted the job, so he cannot be OPENLY accused of being a scumbag who undermined another coach. But he knows this business, and if Boomer and ALL of us here could tell he was clearly sending a message of interest about the Miami job (before it is even vacant) then doesn;t that show a lack of class and integrity on his part? What sort of guy is willing to do that to a seemingly honorable coach like Sparano just because he wants to get back into the NFL so badly. Not that different from a woman telling a married man, "I have a ton of great ideas of what someone could do with you if they were your wife!"... she may nt say "I want you to dump your wife and marry me." but the meaning is clear, as is her lack of integrity in pursuit of her goal. Gruden is great in many ways, but let's not gloss over the side of him that alienates people and turns them off. In his obsession with winning, he can be less than a stellar human being, from the sounds of it. That being the case, how well will he do here if he comes to town? At least he'd get along with Jeff Ireland, another exemplar of empathy.
Well for one thing at least I know what the chick wants. Gruden might be a bit of a ****, but as far as home wreckers go at least you know...
Great point, what some people fail to realize is that Gruden is terrible at developing QB's. Just because Espn decided to put him on a show with some top QB prospect that doesn't mean he was good at developing young QB's. Gruden is a QB killer in my opinion.
