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Rumor: Gruden 1st choice of Ross

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by jpep13, Oct 4, 2011.

  1. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    From what I know of Jon Gruden, his drive to win may be matched only by Tim Tebow's drive to win at this point. He is the kind of coach that will grate on his players after a few years. He's clearly not the buddy buddy kind of coach that Dave Wannstedt was or that Tony Sparano has been in Miami. Jon is the kind of coach that will push his players to their breaking point and then see how much more he can get out of them. He also doesn't take any crap off his players. I can tell you right now that he and Brandon Marshall will not get a long. I can see him doing to Brandon what he did to Keyshawn Johnson - send him home with pay just to get him away from the team. I would personally applaud that though, because losing Brandon Marshall would be addition by subtraction at this point.
     
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  2. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    http://sportsbybrooks.com/speed-read-ex-buc-rice-rips-scumbag-gruden-22039


    This one seems to be a dead link now, unfortunately.
    http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/buccaneer_players_voiced_concerns_over_ex_coach_jon_gruden/473903



    http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/bucs_wr_michael_clayton_calls_jon_gruden_a_turncoat/474404


    http://www.tampabay.com/sports/article969561.ece


    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/01/27/simeon-rice-calls-jon-gruden-a-scumbag/

    Just food for thought.
     
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  3. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    On another note, if were were blessed enough to get Andrew Luck, is Gruden the right guy to develop him, or might he ruin him?

    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2011/04/shaun-king-questions-jon-grudens-reputation-as-a-quarterbacks-guru/1
     
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  4. Bpk

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    I tend to agree with you. And to be honest, as a fan I like those coaches because they seem to care as much about winning as *I* do. But I don;t have to work with him every day.

    I wonder if Gruden can sustain a coaching position anywhere without souring his relationships with players.
     
  5. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    lol. Spoken like a character right outta MadMen.
     
  6. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    How exactly is he a QB killer when he took a limited Rich Gannon and turned him into an MVP candidate and won a Superbowl with Brad Johnson having arguably his best season as a pro? If anything, Gruden gets the most out of what he is given at the quarterback position. As far as young quarterbacks go, who exactly has he had to develop. Everyone wants to say that he doesn't develop quarterbacks, but no one can name a young quarterback he had that should have/could have developed into something.
     
  7. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Well, to me, one of the inconsistencies about fans is the lack of perspective.

    For example, Bucs are a good team now, how many players on the current roster did Gruden acquire?

    "So and so cannot do such and such as a HC/GM"

    I think Gruden gives the Dolphins a higher profile in the media, which is something most fans would say they do not care about, but they do, he also would bring a counterpoint to the rest of the AFCE's style of doing things.

    4 yrs of Parcellian paranoia has produced...what..exactly?
     
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  8. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Not many. Sort by experience. The majority of the Bucs roster has 3 or less years of NFL experience. They're one of the youngest teams in the league. Mark Domenik purged the roster as soon as he took over.
     
  9. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Looks like most of the OL/LB Corps (Ruud just left) Barber and Talib (assuming he can stay out of prison)

    I'm no means an expert on the bucs roster, it does look like a fair number of starters are holdovers from the Gruden Era, save for DL/QB/Rb

    Which it could also be said of him that he took over a young veteran Bucs team and took them over the hump after getting the Raiders back into relevance again.
     
  10. Anonymous

    Anonymous Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    That's not true.
     
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  11. Nappy Roots

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    Young veteran buc team? Lol
     
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  12. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    I'm close to being with KB on that one, in his second yr has he done ANYTHING to justify his salary?

    To me, no matter who coaches the Dolphins in 2012, if BM shows something with Moore at Qb is one of the things to watch in the final 12 games, he has not been very "#1 Wr" worthy
     
  13. BlameItOnTheHenne

    BlameItOnTheHenne Taking a poop

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    Davie

    :sidelol:
     
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  14. Hobiesailor

    Hobiesailor Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Correlation does not equal causation.
     
  15. DOLFANMIKE

    DOLFANMIKE FOOTBALL COACH 32 YEARS Luxury Box

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    Gruden would be fine here IMO
     
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  16. godolphins

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    I wasn't talking about veteran QB's. Bill Belichick had no problem developing a guy by the name of Tom Brady he drafted in the 5th round and a guy by the name of Matt Cassell he drafted in the 7th round. If Gruden knew one thing about developing young QB's he would of developed one in his coaching career, no excuses. Even Bill Parcells got Tony Romo as a undrafted free agent, who did Gruden get in his long coaching career? Not even one.
     
  17. ASchmelzle

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    I'm not sure what my feelings on Gruden are, but why do we want both (i) a coach who wants to bring the spread offense to the NFL and (ii) a rookie QB who people rave about because he already plays in a pro-style offense.

    Does that mean we'd bring Gruden in and then he'd make Luck learn the spread? Wouldn't that kind of ruin some of the reasons for drafting him?
     
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  18. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    the silver lining

    Well, as unpopular as it may be, I hope we retain Sparano to the end of the season & win no more than one game. Luck & Gruden are on the horizon! Let it be a big black storm cloud with a 'first round pick' silver lining hovering over us until the end of the year. It is in losing that we will ultimately win. Having said that, be assured I will always be cheering the dolphins on in every game, that in and of itself may help them to an imperfect season. :shifty:
     
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  19. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    Gruden coming to Miami would be a huge mistake... especially if he has any say in the player personnel department
     
  20. BlameItOnTheHenne

    BlameItOnTheHenne Taking a poop

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    I don't see how he has earned to come back.
     
  21. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    not a matter of 'earning' anything. :no:
    I just want him to continue being Sparano as head coach until we can draft Luck & find the right head coach.
    what we need now is Sparano consistency to get to where we need to be... it would be a disaster, in my opinion, to end the season@ 500
    Sparano is just the man to guarantee we continue losing straight through the remainder of the year.
     
  22. JimToss

    JimToss Thank You Chad Pennington

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    This smells like a merge....
     
  23. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    Gruden would be a very good thing for a young team. Every breeder knows a proven bull with a young heifer.
    moo!:thankyou:
     
  24. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    smells more lake cow dung to me & I'm getting tired of stepping in it every year
    with these overpaid, reject 'pretend' cowboys trying to negotiate dolphin waters
    :deadhorse:
    moo!:thankyou:moo!:thankyou:moo!:thankyou:
     
  25. pacadermng67

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    Not Gruden...




    Rob Ryan :lol:
     
  26. cobrajet

    cobrajet Mr. Ross - sell the team!

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    Ross is the living embodiment of a cartoon character. Based on the fiasco last off season that had him flying all over the country and practically begging for Harbaugh to be our next HC he will pick someone far less logical that a coach who has actually won a superbowl. I would love to see his short list of replacement coaches. I am sure we would all be rolling in the isles.
     
  27. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Well it's for certain that Sparano is gone at some point. It's also for certain that with our luck, we won't get a shot at Luck...at any rate, I like the idea of Gruden, but IF Gruden is who Ross wants, Ireland will still be the personnel guy. Some won't be able to live with that, although I'm open to the suggestion. Even Ross is smart enough to know that Gruden is NOT a personnel guy. So if you wish for Gruden....you'll likely have to live with Ireland or this franchise will be really in the toilet...

    My second thought is that Gruden isn't going anywhere. ABC will offer him a gazoodle dollars after Ross talks to him and he'll stay there. Besides, I like him a lot on MNF... But I just don't think he's going anywhere....
     
  28. KB21

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    Gruden is a football coach. That is his life. This is his last year to get paid by the Bucs, and he will be a head coach in the NFL next year, not in the MNF booth. This guy still gets up at 3:17 every AM to watch film, even though he isn't coaching. He's been preparing for his next job since the day he was fired in 2009.
     
  29. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    You use yearling Angus bulls on heifers unless you want to be pulling a lot of calves. That's a general rule of course. Every bloodline and every bull is a law unto themselves. :)
     
  30. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    What is lake cow dung and how does it differ from river cow dung?
     
  31. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    I agree....Gruden said flat out....I WANT TO BRING THE GLORY BACK TO THIS FRANCHISE. Ross wants him....he would relish returning Miami to glory, and return South Florida to the football spotlight.

    Grudens the guy. Cant see it working out any other way to be honest....
     
  32. Stringer Bell

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    There will be a lot of negative forces going against Gruden. There is a reason why he hasn't been offered a job anywhere else, college or pro.
     
  33. rafael

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    I could easily imagine Ross dreaming about landing both Gruden and Luck.
     
  34. KB21

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    Yeah. He's still getting paid handsomely by Tampa Bay, and if he had taken another job, that handsome pay would end.
     
  35. Stringer Bell

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    No, its mainly because there is quite a contingent of NFL players that do not respect him. He was lobbying for the UM job, and possibly could have received an offer if there wasn't an army of former players that put in a bad word for him.
     
  36. KB21

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    The biggest reason is the money. He wasn't going to give up the cash he was getting from Tampa Bay no matter how much he wanted to get back into coaching. Him making subtle comments about the Miami Dolphins this year is not that different from when Jimmy Johnson was an analyst and made similar comments about the Dolphins back in 1995. Gruden has settled in Florida, wants to stay there, and likely sees Miami as his best opportunity.
     
  37. ckparrothead

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    I bet you guys anything that you could find 10 articles and 20 player/writer quotes about Bill Belichick when he left Cleveland...that say the same things as these quotes from guys like Michael Clayton (marginal player), Jeff Garcia (career ending) and Simeon Rice (career ending).

    When I read Simeon Rice's story, I actually view that as a testament to Jon Gruden. Rice can b-tch about it all he wants, as he says he almost tore his shoulder clean off. He was DONE. Gruden ripped the band-aid off clean with him even though he was obviously among Jon's favorite players. Should he have told Simeon that he would be there 5 years? You could argue either way. It probably helped Simeon be loyal and play winning football. This is a ****ing business. If you tear your shoulder almost clean off I'm not going to keep you an extra 4 years on some pseudo disability retirement just because in my overexcitement before you got hurt I said I could imagine you being here 5 more years.

    I'm just saying. When Belichick left Cleveland, I remember it being referred to as the end of the most disgraceful era in the history of Cleveland football. I certainly don't think Bernie Kosar would have had many kind words for Belichick about 10 years ago. And if the University of Miami had tried to hire Belichick somewhere in there, I'm sure Bernie would have made sure they knew his mind on that.

    I don't get this argument that "he's never developed a young quarterback". I think that's kind of lazy. Who was he supposed to develop? Bobby Hoying? Marques Tuiasasopu? Luke McCown? Chris Simms? Bruce Gradkowski? Not exactly a "Who's who?" among young developmental QBs in the NFL.

    I think more pointed would be arguing that he doesn't have a damn clue which QBs to recruit to his team. I mean, look at the list below, yuo can't blame all of that on the General Managers. Then again, it's HARD to find GOOD performance that position if you don't draft it. And so being able to find good performances from Brad Johnson, Brian Griese, Jeff Garcia and Rich Gannon over this time period, while panning from a dead gold mine...maybe that's actually a testament? I see a lot of chicken salad out of chicken sh-t down here.

    1995: Randall Cunningham/Rodney Peete - 63.8 Rating
    1996: Ty Detmer/Rodney Peete/Mark Rypien/Bobby Hoying - 78.3 Rating
    1997: Ty Detmer/Bobby Hoying/Rodney Peete - 76.0 Rating
    1998: Donald Hollas/Jeff George/Wade Wilson - 65.6 Rating
    1999: Rich Gannon/Bobby Hoying - 84.2 Rating
    2000: Rich Gannon/Bobby Hoying - 90.9 Rating
    2001: Rich Gannon/Rodney Peete/Marques Tuiasasopu - 94.4 Rating
    2002: Brad Johnson/Shaun King/Rob Johnson - 84.7 Rating
    2003: Brad Johnson/Shaun King - 80.5 Rating
    2004: Brian Griese/Brad Johnson/Chris Simms - 86.7 Rating
    2005: Chris Simms/Brian Griese - 78.3 Rating
    2006: Bruce Gradkowski/Chris Simms/Tim Rattay - 64.7 Rating
    2007: Jeff Garcia/Luke McCown/Bruce Gradkowski - 91.7 Rating
    2008: Jeff Garcia/Brian Griese/Luke McCown - 82.6 Rating

    I think you just be smart about things. Everyone argues oh well Gruden will want final say over everything. How do you know that? I think the book is pretty well out on his having had a lot of personnel authority in Tampa and it not going so well. And meanwhile, if it's true that Jeff Ireland really HAS gotten screwed over a little bit by personnel requests from Sparano and calls made by Parcells (a big IF), I think Ireland would be pretty effing reluctant to let Jon Gruden walk all over him on the personnel side of things. He's been down that road and it hasn't gone well.

    And if we have the #1 pick you can take the whole QB question right out of the effing equation for both Ireland and Gruden, I'll tell you that much right now. Neither will have the opportunity to screw up which QB we take, if indeed either would have screwed that up in the first place. And as for coaching Luck, yeah I'm pretty sure the guy that could get great performances out of the likes of Brian Griese, Jeff Garcia, Rich Gannon and Brad Johnson could coach up Andrew Luck. Yeesh. Talk about overthinking things.

    I think the bigger concerns would just be how Gruden would fill out his coaching staff. Who would he take on for the defense?

    I tell you one guy to watch for would be Jim Leavitt, given Gruden's connections in the Tampa Bay area. The USF and Tampa Bay staffs have always had a fairly cozy relationship under Leavitt and Kiffin. I've seen Monte Kiffin attending USF games in the past. In some ways I hated watching USF's teams under Leavitt, and in some ways I had a ton of respect for his teams. I don't think he was ever cut out to be a Head Coach but I think he could make one heck of a Defensive Coordinator. He's the linebackers coach in San Francisco right now. That defensive unit is #2 in the league. Vic Fangio is the defensive coordinator, I believe Harbaugh had him in Stanford. If you go look at PFF right now, you'll see they have some pretty remarkable ratings on all of the LBers there. Not a single linebacker has a negative rating. Not one.

    Patrick Willis - 327 snaps: +7.7
    Navorro Bowman - 324 snaps: +6.3
    Ahmad Brooks - 315 snaps: +4.8
    Parys Haralson - 180 snaps: +2.7
    Aldon Smith - 137 snaps: +5.8
    Larry Grant - 7 snaps: +0.2
    Tavares Gooden - 6 snaps: +0.5
    Blake Costanzo - 1 snaps: +0.0

    Think about it. During the off season they lose Manny Lawson (+12.0 in 2010), Travis LaBoy (+12.3 in 2010) and Takeo Spikes (+24.0 in 2010)...they replace them easily, and actually get even better this year. That probably has to be the highest rated LB unit in the NFL. I haven't checked to be sure.
     
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  38. schmolioot

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    You could also see Gruden try and poach his brother Jay, from the Bengals with an assistant head coach title. Jay Gruden has done a super job thus far of developing Dalton who has performed far beyond anything I expected
     
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    Cinncy's coaching staff may simply be let go so you never know. If you get Gruden and Zimmer you're set aside from pro personnel.
     
  40. schmolioot

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    Doubt Cincy's staff will be let go. they are performing excellently this year with a really average roster.
     

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