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PFF: Top 5 Defensive Coordinator and Position Coach Ratings

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by ckparrothead, Oct 11, 2011.

  1. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    He may not trust the corners in man coverage.
     
  2. Jaj

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    When has Randy Starks ever played in a spill role on a defensive line at DE at any level? Odrick is a three technique, three techniques penetrate the gap outside the guard's shoulder. I have no idea what you're referring to with players make the plays, you're on a rant about skill vs. talent which has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. I'm talking about what the ideal type of player is for that system, what he looks like and what he has to do. If he's smaller and he can do it fine I don't really care, but Starks as a spill and contain Haley type and Trace being less than him at that role...
     
  3. alen1

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    Because at the end of the day, he's not much of a player in man. He's best reading the play in front of him and making a play on it. However, it has not gone well for him thus far.
     
  4. Jaj

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    Jones? I think he's better at man honestly, covering TEs playing SS. He was always poor at zone coverage deep.
     
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    I don't think he's got good enough COD and agility for it personally. Hes had issues in zone before, but he should be a box defender anyways. Guy is not the brightest light bulb out on the field.
     
  6. Southbeach

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    Agreed, there is no right or reason for Jones to be playing FS. He has to move to SS, and replace Bell. I would like to see W Allen at FS.
     
  7. alen1

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    Those two positions have become interchangeable IMO. Should have a guy who can do both.
     
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  8. Southbeach

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    Let's do this. Focus on Starks this MNF, I will do the same. and then we will talk.
     
  9. Jaj

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    Is it interchangeable in this defense? I would have thought Bell would shade about five yards closer. If that's the case Bell has to go. He can't cover well on his size of the deep half. We were speaking about Nelson and Crocker, those two can cover their halves very well and they tackle well. Not sure why Miami relies so heavily on its safeties for run support. They did it in 2009 too with a guy that couldn't cover in Wilson.
     
  10. Jaj

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    Southbeach Starks will be playing a 3-4 DE and DT at times in the nickel. We won't be able to talk about it.
     
  11. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    I believe so, I believe Mike Nolan said so once upon a time.
     
  12. Southbeach

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    Problem is we do not have a guy who can do either, in their present positions. There were 4-5 VG FA FS's available, and we did nothing.
     
  13. Southbeach

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    I believe if you focus on ability, and not position or weight, we will be able to have a pretty fair discussion Jaj.
     
  14. Jaj

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    It isn't ability. Spill is a specific technique a 4-3 DE uses in the 4-3 over defense and at RE sometimes in the 4-3 under (and a few others, usually LBs). Starks not in college, not in the NFL has ever really played spill. He's never lined up at 4-3 DE in his career as far as I know and he has no edge speed. Is he a great DT and one-gap 3-4 DE, heck ya he's great. I don't think ever heard of spill and contain on the same play. Not sure how you can do that..

    A fair comparison would be Jason Taylor in 2002. He would fire off the ball and go around the OT for both run and pass going straight for the QB/RB. Guys who do so are fast, agile, and good edge rushers. Starks would be sitting out there, going why the **** am I out here on the outside of an offensive tackle.
     
  15. Southbeach

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    I'm confused here Jaj, and may well be wrong. I thought the spill technique was a DL going to the inside shoulder of his blocker to force a RB outside to a S or CB, and then trying to get free to make a tackle if the DB forces the RB back inside.

    I also thought it was used by 3-4 DE's as well as 4-3 DE's. Can you clear this up for me?
     
  16. ckparrothead

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    The only way we get ahold of Vic Fangio would be as a Head Coach. We're not pulling him in as a Defensive Coordinator, that's for sure.

    But we could get hold of Jim Leavitt and I remain intrigued by that possibility. Or Ed Donatell.
     
  17. Southbeach

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    I have to think that Ross will go for a "Celeb" HC, IF he can. With the team and fan base in the shape they are in, I cannot imagine him going for a "No Name."
     
  18. MrClean

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    When we had Crocker, one of the reasons we let him go as I recall, and replaced him with Renaldo Hill, was because Crocker was not a reliable tackler.
     
  19. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I think you are certainly correct. You can get away with hiring a guy like Pat Shurmer in a wasteland like Cleveland, but in a celebrity hot spot like Miami and South Beach, Ross is going to try mightily to go with the glitz and glitter of a big name, even if he has to pay 4 times as much. IMO, from all we have heard so far, the odds would have to be at least 75% that Gruden is the head coach in 2012.
     

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