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Are We Really That Bad?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Southbeach, Oct 11, 2011.

  1. Southbeach

    Southbeach Banned

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    I've been listening to players and former players comments the past few days. All of them are saying that, because of the lockout, no mini camps or OTA's, we have no idea who is who.

    Then, I look at Philly losing four in a row (same as us), and the Jets losing three. Both were pre-season locks for the playoffs or more. Meanwhile, Buff, Detroit, and SF look like Super Bowl contenders.

    Analyst are saying that no team is out of the playoffs yet. That's hard to believe but, who knows?

    It's been a very confusing start to the year, when hardly any Phins player has played close to what they have done. I cannot honestly say if we are closer to winning or Sucking For Luck.
     
  2. Conuficus

    Conuficus Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Yes.
     
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  3. miamiron

    miamiron There's always next year

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    I'll give you a hint
    We're 0-4...
     
  4. DolfanTom

    DolfanTom Livin' and Dyin' w/ Ryan!

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    We suck, and the problems we have seem to get worse each week, not better. Players aren't playing up to their supposed ability, and we keep finding new ways to lose. Very similar to '04 and '07 where nothing seems to work. Until further notice, if we win four games, it will be a lot #SuckForLuck
     
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  5. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    When you don't have a QB in today's NFL, yes, you are that bad. We are bad. Henne wasn't good enough and what we'll be lining up under center these days will be even worse.
     
  6. NJFINSFAN1

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    You are what your record says you are!
     
  7. gilv13

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  8. Mrtree

    Mrtree Juan Huron's agent

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    We have marginal talent at most positions, are terrible at qb, and I think we can turn the page on this coaching staff. Why do people feel 0-4 is an aberration? We are truly terrible.
     
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  9. dolfan32323

    dolfan32323 ty xphinfanx

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    This team has looked nothing short of incompetent each week. Absolutely pathetic.
     
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  10. PhiNomina

    PhiNomina White-Collar Redneck

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    We are terrible - but I don't know that we are 1-15 bad, yet. I still think we'll end up winning enough games to screw us out of the top QBs next year.

    We are 0-4 and have looked pathetic, but there is still a lot of talent on this team. We're a fourth of the way through the year and it isn't inconceivable that the defense could gel at some point and put together a few good games.
     
  11. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The defense may get it together somewhat, but how many points are we going to score with Matt Moore under center? I think it's probable that we'll see Rosenfels at some point too since our o-line will get anybody killed
     
  12. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    Looking at the schedule (before the season started), I didn't see us beating NE, Houston or San Deigo.

    NE is well, NE. It was a prime time game, and well...you get the point. We haven't beaten Houston yet. 'Nough said there. And, beating Diego in Diego was going to be nothing short of monumental IMO. The game we should've won was Cleveland. To me, we lost more than just a game. And, in the way we lost it does say a lot about how bad this team is. Whether it's coaching or execution, or both. In other words, I don't think the record reflects just how bad this team really is.

    The OP references both us and Philly losing four in a row. I got news for ya...IMHO Philly would kill us right now.
     
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  13. PhiNomina

    PhiNomina White-Collar Redneck

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    That is the thing - we should have lost most of the games we've played. The only game we 'should' have won was Cleveland - a game in which we led for a significant portion.

    I'm not trying to say we're not terrible, I'm saying we may not be terrible ENOUGH. When we get into the part of our schedule that is mid-tier teams, I can see a big game from Daniel Thomas, or the defense finally coming up with a few turnovers to pull out a few victories.

    And Matt Moore is dangerous. He is the kind of QB that will lose you a lot of games but also win you a few. I'm scared he'll put together 2-3 good games and we'll get too many wins.
     
  14. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I don't see anything to Matt Moore to be honest. Winning 3 games and getting the 2nd overall pick would be the absolute pits.
     
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  15. PhiNomina

    PhiNomina White-Collar Redneck

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    He just scares me that he is one of those guys that puts together some ridiculous string of throws to win a crazy game. Like a Jake Plummer. Or a watered down Brett Favre.
     
  16. GARDENHEAD

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    Matt Moore is garbage. With our o-line, don't be surprised when he misses a few games due to injury. And then its Sage Rosenfels time!

    2-14 here we come!
     
  17. PhinGeneral

    PhinGeneral PC Texas A&M, Bro Club Member

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    With Henne out, this team is probably just good enough to be competitive and lose.
     
  18. MikeHoncho

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    We're not really that bad. We're just winless.
     
  19. DeDolfan

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    And yet every team has the same chance to win or lose. nobody had any advantage.
     
  20. Dolphins1Beatles

    Dolphins1Beatles Ziggy Stardust

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    -Our starting QB is now Matt Moore with Sage Rosenfels backing up, who admits he isn't in the best shape right now and hasn't practiced in months...
    -Our starting RB is hurt, so Reggie Bush is our starter who they seem to only run up the middle, even though it doesn't work.
    -Our O-Line is bad, only Pouncey and Long are any good, and Long is struggling but is coming off surgery.
    -Brandon Marshall leads the NFL in drops. Surprisingly Bess is also at the top.
    -Our coaching staff is on the way out, unless they magically win 9 games, which isn't happening.
    -Defense is bottom of the league. Kevin Burnett is worst rated starting ILB. Dansby isn't much higher, battling an injury though. Safety play is bad. Davis battling an injury.
    -Special Teams does nothing Special. Carpenter has missed a bunch, but maybe it's all the long FG's he has to try.
    -0-4.

    Yes we are bad. But, I think there is talent that with the right coaching staff and a great young FIRST ROUND rookie QB prospect, this team can move back into challenging for the playoffs in 2012 if they fix up some of the other problems. We see it all the time in the NFL, teams always rise up and teams always fall back. At least there will be hope in 2012 and not apathy if we go 2-14 in 2011 and come back with a new staff and hopefully Luck in 2012.
     
  21. Southbeach

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    I'm not questioning how badly we have played or that our record is misleading. I'm just remembering watching so many of these players two or three times a game last year playing well, and wondering what happened to them. I recall few posters here concerned about the talent level at the majority of positions. Could we all have been that wrong on so many players?

    There has to be more to it. Some have pointed to coaching but, the D is the same with a year's experience. Injuries have hurt but, not everyone is injured, and Dansby and Long played hurt last season. Maybe it was the lockout, hard to say which NFL players needed the structure vs those who did not.

    Troy Polamalu (sp-the guy with the hair) said today that the time and day of games wreaks havoc on players, which Golic and Hodge agreed with. Players are creatures of habit, they say, and if you play every game, every Sunday, at 1:00, players will play better. I don't know about that but, it is possible.

    Bottom line, with nothing to do with SFL or winning a number of games, these players we now have "could" revert to how they have played last year. That would make more sense to me than how they have played so far this year. JMO
     
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  22. unifiedtheory

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    Are we REALLY that bad. I don't think so, we are poorly built though.

    We have a couple of good offensive lineman, some good receivers, a good #2 tight end, a good young running back, a good defensive line, decent linebackers and a good corner.

    We also don't have enough pass rushers, horrific depth at corner, the worst safety play in the league, our coverage linebackers are brutal right now, our offensive line has holes everywhere and can not protect the quarterback and we don't have a quarterback....in a passing league.

    When you can't defend tight ends, or the deep pass or the short pass and can not rush the passer or protect the quarterback in a passing league you are poorly built....and totally ****ed.

    Find some decent safeties, some guards, an athletic tight end, 1 or two edge pass rushers and a franchise quarterback and we will be capable of winning in this league. One good batch of free agents and a very good draft gets us back to 7-9/8-8 territory, another good draft and we hit on the quaterback and we are a 10-6/11-5 playoff team within two years.
     
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    Georgia Fin Fin For Life

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    The thing that concerns me with the Dolphins current loseing streak is that they appear to be playing worse each game and doing different things to lose.I think even the 1-15 team with less talent played harder.It surprised me that TS did not get canned even though it is still early because the players are not responding to him.
     
  25. DeDolfan

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    I don't think firing TS at this point would do anything for the season regardless of who coached them the rest of the way. By the time the mindset of the team changes, the season will be all but over anyway. We don't have to "suck for Luck" as we're doing a good job at it without trying to.
     
  26. DOLPHAN1

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    I don't think the issue is really talent, I think it is good enough to win. I think the issue is we don't have a team. I don't see a team when they play I see a group of players trying to play.
     
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  27. Southbeach

    Southbeach Banned

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    The only way replacing Sparano during the season makes any sense is IF Ross was hiring next year's coach to replace him. This never happens in the NFL, although it would make sense to me. It gives the new guy a lot of time to evaluate players, and see what he has there, as well as with assistant coaches.
     
  28. jw3102

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    Yes, the Dolphins are as bad as they appear to be. They will be lucky to win three games this season because of the lack of overall talent on the roster.
     
  29. Southbeach

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    On our D, the only starters I'm looking to replace are the safeties. Anyone else?
     
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    I don't think the permanent replacement would even want to come in til the season is over. i would rather evaluate players once the season is over and the new roster starts taking place. I don't think there could be a fair evaluation right now anyway the way they are playing.
     
  31. jw3102

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    I agree the safeties need to be replaced. I also think the Dolphins need to upgrade every LB on the team, except Wake. I think Dansby has regressed this season and Misi and Burnett have both played terrible this season. In fact I would much rather the Dolphins cut Burnett and bring back Crowder. Crowder obviously was much better against the run than Burnett and Burnett hasn't been effective in coverage of the TE's, which was suppose to be the reason the Dolphins signed Burnett and cut Crowder.

    I also don't think the DL is as good as advertised. They get very little pressure on the QB and through four games, the players on the DL have, zero sacks.

    At cornerback, Davis is a keeper for the future but I think the Dolphins need to replace Smith. He has terrible ball skills and he is consistently beat for a TD or a long pass play in every game the Dolphins play.

    This defense isn't rated at the bottom of the NFL this season just because of bad safety play. It is rated at the bottom because no one on the defense is playing well this season. I think when the new regime comes in, they will try to replace at least 75-80% of the defensive starters over the next two to three years.
     
  32. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    On defense, which seems to be our biggest area of complaint, this is basically the same bunch of guys who played pretty well last season. A few have played pretty well for us since 2008 like Langford and Starks. I do not believe they just all the sudden became bad players. IMO we have enough talent. It boils down to coaching and leadership as far as I'm concerned. Just like when Shula took over as head coach. It was largely the same group of players who had went 3-10-1 the season before that all the sudden went 10-4 the first season with The Don in charge. He also assembled a strong group of assistants right off the bat too. Names like Bill Arnsparger, Howard Schnellenberger, Carl Taseff, Mo Scarry, and Monte Clark. Coaching at the NFL level makes all the difference in the world.

    There is also an apparent lack of conditioning interspersed throughout the roster. Hamstring pulls are a sign of lack of conditioning. However this has effected a lot of teams, not just Miami.
     
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    Well, TBH, I'm witholding judgment until after the MNF game and the Broncos game.

    I'm not thrilled that No Show Jones is still starting, this inspite of his laughable "I've been a playmaker my entire career!" tweet, and Colombo the QB Slayer staying at RT, as a fan though, I've been in much worse shape in my life, watching a 1-5 start turn into 8-6, and a 1-7 start turn into a 8-10 with my CFL team.

    There is talent on the roster, I still think Sparano is a good coach, and Nolan is a good DefCord, we are getting healthy, so I'm willing to wait to see what will happen.
     
  34. padre31

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    Guys are pressing and making mistakes imo D1, I think that is what happened to SS24 in SD game.

    But that means they are still engaged in trying to win, they have to learn to trust the guy next to them and just do their job, the wins will come.
     
  35. Aquafin

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    the biggest down fall is maybe every fan was too busy praising Sparano , Ireland and Parcells that people closed their eyes to the truth and that was after we won the afc east in which we wern't that good and many people proclaimed the trifecta as infalible when maybe they were never the grurus that we all wanted to beleive. remember when I told several people that this gut feeling I had that something wasnt right and several people thought that i was crazy ? well when so many people have a that gut feeling then a fan needs to keep in mind that maybe somethins is actually is wrong . rule of thumb if 3 out of 10 say what i say then its probally just opinion but when 10 out 12 people say it then its probally a good idea to listen. just a opinion here and i would rather be wrong on some things but it is what is is and that is we are in the worst of times as a fanbase is concerned.
     
  36. DeDolfan

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    I, for one, was never excited about them. I didn't really diss them but just never saw a whole lot to get real excited about.
     

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