I know everyone wants Andrew Luck, but with the Colts playing as bad as they are, Miami may continue to stink and not get the 1st pick. If that happens, we will simply have to move on to the next couple of guys. I have already posted a link where Gruden spoke highly of Landry Jones of Oklahoma. Of course, I'm using Gruden because I think he is going to be the new Dolphins head man in the offseason and will be making this decision. Here is an interesting link I found on Matt Barkley. http://www.beyondusports.com/pac-12-qb-roundtable/ So Barkley has an affinity for Jon Gruden. It will be interesting to see if Gruden has the same affinity for Matt Barkley. Also, former Gruden staffer Jeremy Bates coached Matt Barkley at USC during his freshman year.
Barkely to me is a very interesting player. There was one person who viewed him as the next Jimmy Claussen and I just dont know where that comparison comes from as Barkley is a more cerebral player then Claussen ever was at ND. The only things they have in common from a football perspective are that they played at big name schools with big name coaches. Gotta love the responses by some of those players. Brock Osweiler and Andrew Luck's answers to the very same question: Luck: “ Osweiler:
That one person was Russ Lande, who's a pretty good evaluator of talent. I know Chris likes him and I assume Keith does too, but I have some issues with him. Watched him some more this am against Arizona State and it didn't make for good viewing.
Imo the 4th Qb in the class, behind Luck/Jones/RGIII. One of the problems with the 2012 draft class is it could be so Qb heavy some of the Jr's decide to stay to try and improve their draft slotting in 2013, prior to the Cap this would make no sense, with the cap that 5 places difference in draft order could mean a million dollars or more over the life of the contract
I disagree. I think sometimes he plays like the 4th QB in the class. An others he plays in Lucks class. I think Barkley has flashed the necessary goods to be an elite QB in the NFL imo. Maybe not always play like it, but its there. I think his potential puts him as the #2 QB alone. I have to many question marks for RG3 to put him up there just yet, and Landry Jones just underwhelms me a lot for having that kind of talent around him.
Russ Lande is a pretty good evaluator of talent but like everyone else hes been wrong before. The only real negatives I see about Barkley are that he can struggle with progressions and that he holds the ball too long, frequently as a result of reading his progressions. But almost all of us said the same thing about Cam Newton last year and you could have said the same thing during Peyton Manning's rookie year and we know how that turned out. In any year Andrew Luck wasnt coming out we would be talking about Barkley as the top QB prospect available
Anyone watch Osweiler's release the other night? Quickest I've seen since Marino! Not saying what his ceiling is as an NFL QB, but it certainly helps. Helps Philip Rivers very well too!
Not sure EVERYONE said that about Newton last year. Landry Jones is better than Barkley. I don't think at this stage you'd find many talent evaluators clamouring for Barkley as the #1 pick sans Andrew Luck.
That inconsistency, is what will drive him down the draft board, this is not the sort of draft class that a team is going to reach for a Qb (ala Gabbert) this yr, when they do not have to reach for one. Why take a Qb on potential at #5 when you have 3 guys who have actually produced consistent results game in and game out?
Barkley played locally in both High School and at USC. I'm not sure he'd be what we are looking for. He is nowhere close to a sure thing. I'd put him on the same level of probability as was Henne to make it big.
I'm not high on Barkley at all. Add in the Pete Carroll factor and it makes him a guy I wouldn't even consider before the 2nd/3rd round, no matter how highly others have him rated.
I can see Barkley pending what happens the rest of the season, but I'm beginning to think, in my best 'conspiracy theory' way, that Gruden is not going to be available with the news of his new contract extension, his obvious affinity to the camera and on-screen personality. He can probably, right now, have what ever coaching job he wants, but does he ??
I know it wasnt everyone but certainly many said taht about Newton. Even a vast majority (self included) said it about Cam Newton. The point is Lande, while knowledgeable and indeed one of those whom I usually like reading is merely stating an opinion on this that holds no merit on this because there is no proof or reason for such a comparison. I like Landry Jones almost as much as Barkley so I wouldnt really argue if someone said that Jones was better though I tend to disagree. I think Barkley really has a lot working against him right now with the sanctions vs USC and all the players that left that program which has forced a lot of younger players in to the lineup. Rivers has the best release Ive seen since Marino but Osweiler does indeed have a lot of talent and you have to love the way he uses his size in a Roethlisberger like fashion to fight through sacks and tackles. Agreed on Foles. He has a lot of talent but he clearly hasnt played up to his ability. I had him pegged as a possible 1st rounder but hes player more like a late 3rd/early 4th round developmental type QB. I think I would rank them: Luck Barkley Jones Tannehill Osweiler Weeden Moore RGIII Cousins
He reminds me of Ryan Leaf and Chad Henne, college-wise and might be anther Carson Palmer, just good in the NFL. He needs to be unselfish and needs to learn to throw the ball away when it's needed instead of throwing it down the field. Also, his release isn't impressive Though, he's accurate but not as Luck is. Still, I don't know...
I've said before he reminds me of Mark Sanchez with a stronger arm. He's still got a lot of upside though, maybe more upside than those other prospects (sans Luck of course).
After the last 3 high draft pick USC QB's to come out, I want us to stay away as far away from that program as possible. Palmer was nice but he was never a guy who was going to win a big one. One great year, everything else was mediocre or downright awful. If it's not Luck it has to be Landry Jones. If we even want to go that route and pass on a stud defensive player.
Imo the similarities that Russ Lande is referring to, that I see with Barkley and Claussen, are some size and frame similarities, and how those tangibles could constrict his ball flight in an NFL pocket.. I do sometimes see Barkley struggle to get the ball off when hes in a crowded pocket, but not nearly as much as Claussen did..Barkley is very good at squaring his body on every throw to get that velocity on the ball. Barkley is a legit 1st round prospect, Claussen was a joke of a prospect.
NFL network on board the Tannehill johnny-momentum train: Woot, Woot! All Aboard! http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...cond-only-to-lucks?module=HP11_content_stream
Once this season is officially over, I'am gonna take all these QB's, and just study their eyes, and awareness of the defense..To be able to truly see, if they are truly seeing what the defense is doing during the actual play, is what I'am looking at hard this offseason.. Tannehill has nice eyes..
There is just something I do not like about his game, the best way to describe that dislike is he is not deliberate, and he is not athletic, I don't like his actions as a Qb, he lacks that sort of crispness that defines a really good player. Sort of reminds me of Sanchez tbh, some guys they have command and just know what they are doing, neither one really strikes me as the type of Qb who always knows what they are doing, then does it.
Velocity and footwork mainly. And height of course. I'm not all that impressed by him, especially since I sat down, charted and drew every pass pattern of every throw over a four game span.
You're going to study their eyes? That's awesome. I heard Lucky wants his eyes studied by you too DJ.
I don't really care for Combine. I know some like it, and they feel that it is related to gamedays, which is fine. I respect their stance on it. But to me, its all film. If you don't look good on film, then that's that. Throwing in Under Armour with no rush isn't going to change my mind.
I should clarify that the comment I made about the Combine is strictly about quarterbacks. There's other positions, such as traditional linebackers, defensive backs, pass catchers and ball carriers, that the Combine is worthy of watching in my opinion.
Well, this is one of the reasons why I like the CFL Alen, late rd guys getting put into marginal settings, but expected to be professionals, up there no matter how much talent you have, if you do not know your job, you will be waived. Combine and the rest of it means nothing, 45k, continue to show me something or you are gone. For example a smallish back on a practice roster has to compete against Jock Sanders, who a lot of draft folks liked, if he does not show more then the non descript back in terms of physical ability and learning his position, he will be gone. And Sanders tore up the NCAA and showed well in workouts, the CFL is that much of a "show me" league.
I know it sounds kinda funny and elementary in scouting terms, but I'am really talking about their vision once the play is in motion, how are they filtering the players on defense, how are they isolating and locating their targets amidst pressure, and throwing the ball to the player instead of just a spot..I wanna see what happens to the eyes when the pressure comes..Who can continue to watch the defense under pressure, and buy time, will be so important for me as to who will be our QB of the future. Landry Jones seems to drift a lot under pressure....Backwards unfortunately...need to keep looking at that closely..
