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A serious look at Suck for Luck

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  1. pacadermng67

    pacadermng67 New Member

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    Well according to nfl.com Brandon Lloyd is traded to the Rams. Does this make the Rams any better?
     
  2. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    If that's what you call a Prevent D then I don't think you know what a Prevent D is.

    This is quite possibly the most hyped prospect in the history of the Draft and the rookie wage scale makes it so that he's not going to get more than $6 or 7 million a year for his first contract. Yeah, it's going to be expensive.
     
  3. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    I believe it does, yes.
     
  4. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    Exactly...yes...presuming Bradford wasnt traded for him....LOL
     
  5. PigMuffin

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    Our first this year and the next two years for Luck? Sign me up
     
  6. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Well, the nice thing about the Lloyd trade is it helps the SFL cause:

    -Denver lost their best Wr (shades of us trading Chambers in 07?)
    -Rams, picked up a clear upgrade at Wr

    Does mean the Broncos just hamstrung Tebow for next Sunday's game.
     
  7. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    It means:

    2012 1 #1 pick no #2
    2013 no #1 no #2
    2014 no #1 pick

    So 1 #1 for 2 #1's and 2 #2's, 2 yrs of only #3 picks 1 yr of a #1 and #3, I like the bottom of the draft as much as anyone we go 1-15, how many holes can be filled if all we have is Luck?
     
  8. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Oh man, just when I thought the Rams would turn the corner, now Bradford is out, and AJ Feeley is the starter this week, they may just win SFL.
     
  9. pacadermng67

    pacadermng67 New Member

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    Well Bradford has a few weeks until a winnable game comes up. Lets hope he is ready in November...
     
  10. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'd go without a first round pick in 2013 and 2014 + no second round pick in 2012 and 2013 for Luck. Certainly.

    Remember, we have Jake Long as our LT. When healthy, he's the best in the game. If he can keep Luck comfortable in the pocket, Luck will make all the other players on offense better. Look at the Patriots! Their defense is ranked #32!!!!!!!!!! But when they get the ball last, they WIN.

    There's really no price too steep for a guy like Luck.
     
  11. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    SFLers had a good point when MMoore came in, he of the Panthers ill fated 2010 season, the Rams doubled down with AJ Feeley, sheesh that is like 2 Curtis Painters.
     
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  12. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Miami - Moore instead of Henne
    STL - Feely instead of Bradford
    DEN - Tebow instead of Orton
    INDY - Painter instead of Collins
    JAX - Gabbert instead of Garrard

    All these moves, intended or not, make each respective team worse. SFL is fascinating!
     
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  13. ckparrothead

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    I personally think Painter for Collins made the Colts a better team. And we'll have to see what the Tebow for Orton deal ends up.
     
  14. ckparrothead

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    What I'm hoping right now with the Jaguars is that with their defense continuing to play out of its mind, Blaine Gabbert rises up and has a couple of games like Freeman had in 2009 (Josh really only had a few) where he shows the talent that made him a top 10 pick, and they come out with a 3-13 record.

    The Rams and Colts though...man that's tough. I guess I'm just hoping that with Steven Jackson back and healthy and now Brandon Lloyd added to the mix, Sam Bradford can win them a few games. He SHOULD be able to, if he's as talented as I've always thought. It might not be a game you'd predict, but he should still be able to do it.

    And I'll be damned if I can't help but think the way Painter's been operating the Colts' offense they should be able to win one or two, and then you toss in the wildcard of Peyton coming back and winning just enough to get out of the Luck race...

    ...we'll have to see what happens in the next two games for Miami. That will be critical. Go 0-2 over the next two games and I think the Dolphins would be the favorites for Andrew Luck.
     
  15. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    I'm not so sure that Feeley necessarily gives the Rams a worse chance at winning. Bradford has been playing pretty poorly and, quite frankly, I thought him vastly overrated last season, too. I know I'm in a minority on that, so I'm curious to see how it plays out.
     
  16. schmolioot

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    If we're going to suck for Luck, the next two games will tell the tale. If we even go 1-1 I think we're likely out, as we are bound to win at least one home game, and we still have some winnable in theory games.

    I think the Bradford injury won't really affect the Rams as far as SFL goes. Even with Bradford, they are staring at another 3 weeks of really tough games before they settle into their NFC West schedule. If Bradford is back by then, I still believe they'll pick up 2 or 3.

    Arizona is becoming a wild card too in this thing. Don't sleep on them.
     
  17. PigMuffin

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    Yeah. First and foremost we gotta continue to keep losing. I do think Painter gives the Colts a better shot and the rams are in such a bad division.

    This whole thing is actually pretty surreal. Four games in and we are already scoreboard watching to see how our draft pick plays out. If we were 4-0 would we be paying as much attention to the other contenders in terms of fighting for home field advantage for the playoffs?

    Even though the phins are bad, there is a level of excitment each week in what could bring us closer to the number one pick. I mean seriously, its jets week. Usually sites are polluted with jets fans and smack talk is everywhere but it is so eeriely quiet. I mean what can they say? "dolphins suck".......yeah we know but the jets are bad too "we are gonna kill you on monday" ........ good i hope you do

    They couldnt say anything inflamatory if they tried
     
  18. GARDENHEAD

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    There is hope in losing. SFL has got me all turned inside-out.

    I don't see us beating the jets tonight. I also think Tebow is gonna beat us. We're lucky in that it will be his coming out party and there won't be much tape on him. I think he'll play well for his first few games and then defenses will figure him out. I think if we can't beat Denver at home, we have a distinct possibility at 0-16.
     
  19. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    SFL is the only thing making this season even tolerable for me.

    I literally was cherring like a madman for the Colts yesterday in a game I normally never would have given a second thought to.
     
  20. gamblerx

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    Damn that ****ing fumble.
     
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  21. Starry31

    Starry31 Phins and Heels.

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    You never know with injuries and upsets, but looking at the schedules remaining I think it's between just us and the Colts. Knowing Miami's luck (har har) it would seem almost destined for us to have a terrible year and pick 2nd, when we need a QB and one of the most highly touted Quarterbacks in recent memory is available. If we're not going be top 1 bad then wish we'd get a few wins soon and that little voice in my head would disappear. I still want Miami to win but in the back of my mind...
     
  22. padre31

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    another layer to keep in mind, the real darkhose in SFL, the Cardinals, are off this week, Kolb, or AJ Feeley Jr., has done what all Reid Qb's do when they go elsewhere...been atrocious

    They have 2 games vs the rams though, and once again a split is not out of the question, if AZ wins the #1 overall and Whiz is fired, new HC owes nothing to Kolb.

    I suspect one of the keys for the "winner" of the SFL sweepstakes will be a punchless offense though, you can still win games with a poor D, when your O does not produce points, like the Jags, it is just massively difficult to win.

    This is one of the reasons why the Cards and Panthers more then likely won't be in the mix, Tebow led the Broncos to 24 pts as well, Dolphins have not topped 20 pts since wk #1.
     
  23. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    Can you really envision Andrew Luck playing in Arizona? I know, the guy's a poster boy for intangibles and a messiah to boot, but I positively cannot see the best QB project in draft memory play for Arizona. And from what I've heard about his dad in recent weeks, I wouldn't be surprised about an Elway situation anymore.
     
  24. padre31

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    Honestly do not know Vendi, I do suspect Fitzgerald will leave AZ, but they are bad enough and no one is talking about them

    As for Elway, yes and no, the NFL is not oriented to losing, not the like the NBA, but yet, the NBA with the back room deals surely planted some seeds in some minds, 'it's not collusion".

    Bidwell IS the type of owner who would trade Luck BTW, even the younger version is not to hyped on "stars".
     
  25. padre31

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    6 pts, of all of the SFL contestants, our offense might be the most inept, aside from the Rams.
     
  26. GARDENHEAD

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    Week 7 - Not a good week for Suck 4 Luck.

    Broncos @ Dolphins - Our best shot at winning, or should I say worst shot at losing
    Steelers @ Cardinals - Cards lose again
    Packers @ Vikings - Vikings lose again
    Rams @ Cowboys - Cowboys at home and angry will beat STL
    Colts @ Saints - See above
    Ravens @ Jaguars - Ravens will destroy Jags in primetime
     
  27. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    hmmmmm......
     
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  28. gamblerx

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    Something tells me that Colts are going to win against the Saints.
     
  29. GARDENHEAD

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    Gamblerx, if you bet on that game, you'll have to change your name to Ex-Gambler. Har Har Har!
     
  30. rafael

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    Passing and stopping the pass is the key to winning in this league. The other x-factor is getting turnovers. We are not doing any of those particularly well. As long as that continues, you have to think that the odds of us continuing to lose are high.
     
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  31. Darrelle Revis

    Darrelle Revis I BELIEVE!

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    It's truly embarrassing that you guys want to 'Suck for Luck.'

    This guy is not even going to come out of college. He's going for another year.
     
  32. Vengeful Odin

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    Here are the current standings (and my commentary), according to NFL.com:
    1. St. Louis Rams - They have Bradford so I don't really view them as competition in the Luck sweepstakes. It's certainly possible ... I just don't think it's probable.
    2. Miami Dolphins - No Comment
    3. Indianapolis Colts - The third winless team along with us and St. Louis, I'll feel a lot more comfortable if and when Manning returns. Otherwise I would consider them very serious contenders.
    4. Minnesota Vikings - On to the 1 win teams, starting with the Vikings. I just don't see them going for Luck when they traded up to nab Ponder this year. You would have to think they would pass.
    5. Jacksonville Jaguars - Ditto Jacksonville, who now has Gabbert starting.
    6. Carolina Panthers - Sure, they only have one win, but Cam Newton has been electric. No way they grab Luck with Newton already on the roster.
    7. Denver Broncos - Probably the second most serious competition for Luck after Indianapolis. Elway is a Stanford grad, and it's clear neither he nor Fox is enamored with Tim Tebow. Next week's game is going to be monumental.
    8. Arizona Cardinals - A real dark horse in this competition. Yes, they just traded for Kolb but things could be brewing in the desert. Don't sleep on the Cardinals.
    I excluded the 2 win teams for the time being as they've got a couple games up on us. Right now it's between Indy and ourselves, with Denver and Arizona also very distinct possibilities. If we beat Denver next week that puts Indy in the driver's seat, followed by Denver, and then it's a fight between Arizona and ourselves.
     
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  33. ckparrothead

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    It's embarrassing that you think you know that Andrew Luck is going to stay in school.
     
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  34. rafael

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    I don't see St. Louis as likely to draft Luck, but I do think they are a contender for the first pick and could then trade that.

    I see next week's game against Denver as huge. If Miami loses then they are two games behind Denver and most likely looking at either 1-15 or 0-16. At that point it would most likely be down to Miami, Indy or St. Louis as to who when end up with the worst record. And really, I expect St. Louis to get a few wins. If Miami beats Denver then it's Indy in the driver's seat.
     
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    As for me, I am not a fan of SFL, I merely want a level headed look at the chances of him winding up in Miami are, week in and week out along with tie breaker procedures etc.

    But, I'll happily take him if the season does continue to slide, why not?
     
  36. schmolioot

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    Next week is a "must-lose" for SFL purposes. A loss virtually eliminates Denver, as Tebow could actually spark them to 3 or 4 more wins. And then all these other teams play each other, Jax and Indy play twice, Denver and KC still play twice, the NFC West round robin has yet to really start.

    We're sort of on our own. Outside of Denver and KC we don;t play any of the other potentials
     
  37. ckparrothead

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    Next week is a real big one, in terms of SFL. Absolutely. Fans gotta make sure they show up and cheer the Broncos on. ;)
     
  38. schmolioot

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    I'll be there with my paper bag on.

    Maybe I can order a Suck for Luck t-shirt?
     
  39. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    no such thing as must lose in SFL....1 win is mandatory! 1 WIN THEN I AM IN!!! woot....1-15 will get er done..and racking up that W vs. DEN will make me feel better. So thats what I am rooting for.
     
  40. ckparrothead

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    I tell you what though...one reason Jeff Ireland needs to NOT be in charge is because of the possibility that the Dolphins don't end up getting the #1 overall pick. If they don't, if they get #2 or #3...then they really need to throw out significant offers for that #1 overall pick. The chances are good that the pick will be held by a team that does NOT necessarily need Andrew Luck. Even the Colts could be talked out of it, I'm sure...with the contract they just gave Peyton.

    But does anyone here imagine Jeff Ireland executing a trade UP to get Andrew Luck? Does anyone see Mr. Spreadsheet giving up the required value it would take in order to secure an icky quarterback?

    HELL

    NO

    Whoever is the guy that has his finger on the button at that point in time, it can't be Jeff Ireland. He won't do it. And he'd probably undermine the efforts to get it set up.
     
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