I didn't say that. All I'm saying is that this regime's history, we wouldn't have done much with the picks anyway. I don't see why we're arguing this... we can't go back in time.
You'd think that, out of all the fanbases in the NFL, this one wouldn't keep getting things backwards. It's the WR's fault the QB is poor...
Yet they throw the flag on Vontae Davis for illegal contact when the ball was 25 yards over Holmes' head not to mention Holmes gave up on the play.
Bottom line...were all the dropped tds "perfect" throws? No. They weren't "perfect." but they were good enough that they SHOULD HAVE BEEN CAUGHT. Marshall doesn't catch tds. If you don't have an elite qb, but you have a supposed "elite" receiver, that receiver should make the qb look better than he is. Marshall does not. I don't care if he had 100 yards. Who cares? At the end of the night, he had ZERO tds...and he should have had AT LEAST 2 tds, and I think 3 tds. If he's not scoring tds, then he is not an elite receiver. I see Calvin Johnson making ridiculous td catches every week. Marshall does not. Marshall does not fight for the ball. He allows the DB's to push him around, and doesn't use his size or strength to go get the ball, or get a PI called on the defender.
There are always players who become whipping boys of certain fans and they receive hyperbolic criticism whether it's warranted or not. It's usually related to expectations rather than actual production. If we had traded up into the second round by using a future #2 and drafted Marshall then there wouldn't have been as much hype and he would be considered to be a good #1 WR given the same level of production. But since it was a trade and he's played better in the past, some will forever see him as a disappointment. Personally, I think he has dropped too many passes and isn't playing like a top 5 WR, but he has played like a #1 WR. He has produced and he forces the defense to account for him. I see that as easily worth 2 #2s.
Ah... in the oulde days, the saying for wide receivers was "If you can get your hands on it, you should catch it." This is where Brandon Marshall brings new excitement to being a football fan. He caught six balls last night, but none of them were for a score, and fell down on one that should have been a score. THAT is a number one Wide Receiver? Last Night: 13 targets, 6 receptions. Year so Far: 10 end zone targets - 1 reception. That is a dominating performance????? At best, he matched up fairly well with Revis, except that Revis scored, and Marshall tripped over his own feet when he had a clear field. That is being outplayed, not being dominating. Sorry, I don't see it. What I see is a waste of two high draft picks for a head case who has more drops than Ricola, and can't seem to concentrate on the ball - mostly in the end zone.
So far you are not educating at all. You're merely being insufferably arrogant in assertions which you proclaim as entirely accurate, yet prove nothing except the fact that the object of your admiration made a few more reception than normal against a very good CB. Did Marshall score? No! Did he catch the majority of the times he was targeted? No! If you are so good that you assert you should charge for your education, what are you doing here? Shouldn't you be a consultant for the Front Office of this organization? Shouldn't you be busy right now trying to right this capsizing team? I think that all you have done is be offensively demeaning with statements which seem to be at best condescending, and waving a red flag of superior knowledge before a disheartened fandom with no ready support for your assertions. Or, perhaps is your support for these claims of such an esoteric level of comprehension that the rest of us groundlings here upset because of the course of this football team this season could never comprehend them because of our intellectual shortcomings. Do, pray tell, elucidate upon this for those of us with faulty perception. I am interested in seeing what you see. Please surround us with the droppings of your superior wisdom and knowledge. Oh, pray do!!
Ok, since trying the front door doesn't seem to make my point, I'm going to come around to the other side. Is Brandon Marshall a talented receiver? You won't get any argument from me on that as the following video illustrates [video=youtube;FkLp6gULaXY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkLp6gULaXY&feature=player_detailpage[/video] See some of those acrobatic, spectacular off balance catches he made...from Henne no less? Un-freaking believable!!!! So if he can make those types of catches, are you apologists going to STILL defend Marshall and deflect blame to the QB when Marshall has demonstrated the ability to make incredible catches? "well in all fairness, the ball as a little behind him"...."well n all fairness, the ball was exactly on the numbers" Really? Are you STILL going to go with that argument?
90% of what you said was a relatively good argument, but the last sentence seems rather hyperbolic. He isn't worth his compensation IMO, but I'm not sure how that makes him an embarrassment.
Why does it have to be either/or? Why can't the QB make a bad throw, and Marshall not making a catch that a top-5 WR should???
Very astute observation. Marshall just seems to lose focus around the redzone. I wonder if a better coach could get him back on track. From his Denver days we clearly see that he is a playmaker and is a red zone guy. So what changed between here and there, why is he off kilter, what is happening. I don't see him turning it around with this staff. Hopefully a new coaching staff and a better leader at QB can keep him straight, eliminate some mistakes and bring out the WR he can be.
Marshall standing on the sideline smiliing and laughing while the team is getting there *** kicked is not an embarrassment to you? It is to me..... Not to mention the drops and the lack of big plays. The guy looks foolish out there.
I expect that there will be a new staff regardless. But the point is that a player that costs two #2s and then produces as top 10 or top 15 WR (13th) in terms of yards and makes the defense account for him on every play is easily worth that. (Last year he ended up 6th) A better QB would probably have resulted in another TD in last night's game just b/c it would have been an easier catch. That doesn't mean that he couldn't have caught that slant, just that he would have had a higher probability of catching a pass thrown to the correct side. I don't think that it is unreasonable to expect that we'll have a better QB next year and going forward. So therefore, I like the odds of Marshall being a top 15 or even top 10 WR with a few more TDs than he's produced for us thus far next year and beyond. That is not a player I would release, or call an embarrassment or even one I would say was not worth two #2s.
Well his big play (that he ran out of bounds on) was against Crom., not Revis Marshall did leave some plays on the field, I would call it pretty much a draw against Revis (which is pretty good considering Revis is usually on the plus side)
Forced to play with LOL..... They are way overpaying him 50 million dollars and he can't catch a football or score a TD. That right there is the joke.
We currently rank 30th in the league averaging 15 points per game. If you add 35 more points, all 5 of Marshall TD drops, we jump up to 19th in the league at 22 points per game. So still below average. Brandon Marshall is part of the problem for sure, but he is only a part.
How many catches Brandon Marshall has is kinda like bragging about how many yards your QB has thrown for. In the end, if you have less points on the board than your opponent, it doesn't really matter, does it? And worse, if you've dropped TD passes, all of those catches you've had matter even less.
I can show you with hard numbers, how Marshall dominated Revis last night. But what's the point? The Marshall hate brigade is done. They hate him and nothing he will do, will change their minds.
Interesting that you say this, since you are the one that made the most sarcastic, and dripping of female hygienic products post that I have seen in at least 3 days. I merely responded in kind. If you want my paypal account info, send me a PM. pay me to post a whole set of numbers to be summarily ignored. I hate wasting my time.
Plenty of very good receivers drop a lot of balls. His facial expressions on the sideline isn't really an issue to me.
Incarcerated Bob has no info whatsoever. He is a fraud. he says that the Dolphins want a #1 because he knows that nobody would pay that. In other words, he made that up. Besides, Ross is not gonna let Ireland trade ANYTHING till the season is over or his JOB is over.
And I can show the only hard numbers that count: NYJ: 24 Mia: 06 Now, had Marshall dominated when it counted, not stumbled off the line, falling into Revis, Revis doesn't make the interception. Subtract 7 points from the Jets NYJ: 17 Mia: 06 Had Marshall dominated when it counted and caught that TD pass he had BOTH HANDS on in the endzone, Dolphins score. Add 7 points to the Dolphins NYJ: 17 Mia: 13 Had Marshall dominated when it counted and not stepped out of bounds and made an EFFORT to get into the endzone, Dolphins score. Add 7 points to the Dolphins NYJ: 17 Mia: 20 Alas none of those things happened, but oh well...we have hard numbers showing Marshall dominated Revis. NYJ: 24 Mia: 06
Clear up front statement with proof of assertion..... uh, no! Insult in first post.... yep! Ah, another post full of interesting information and points of explanation! -- No. Another insult adding fuel to the fire... well, certainly appears so. Another full and sufficient refutation of the posters argument here, perhaps.. Not Hardly! Ah, a reply which asserts a justification somewhere in the prior assertions. Wonder what it is. It must be classified beyond our security level, because no other information is forthcoming, and blame placed elsewhere. At least it was not demeaning... just a deflection. Nothing to see here, folks, move along! Further wonderfully informative statements?? Nah! Clear explications of assertions so briefly mention previously??? Nah... Another demeaning (if not utterly insulting) comment about the rest of the people who dare to share message board space. You betcha!. Argument ad hominem employed to deflect fact that no proof or substantiation of original post forthcoming when queried. Now resorting to name calling. Reply to me... no comment needed. Hubris on display for anyone to see. What do you get when you cross an elephant with a rhinoceros???? Ah. A hint of a proof, or at least substantiation for the assertions which led to the discussion. Nope. just another implication that most of us are imbeciles.. and don't have the collective sense of a Zabriskan Fontema. Ah, a reply. Was any response showing anything that might open my obviously blinded eyes forthcoming. No... Sadly, nothing more was said of any real value regarding the argument. And my post is asking is derided as being sarcastic... Friend Section 126; you have been a poster of some repute on these boards the past several years, and sometimes I have enjoyed your input and comments. But you have done nothing up here today except be insulting, contrary, supercilious, and arrogant. When asked to back up your assertions, you resorted to name calling. All for a receiver who has not lived up to the hype. Catching 46 percent of the targeted passes according to the stats I have seen is not a dominating performance in anyone's arena of expectation in professional football in one game. According to Advanced NFL Stats, the highest percentage of catches per attempt is 75% and the lowest 36% through 5 games. According to the stats I have seen to date... Marshall has caught 36 passes of 65 thrown to him this year for the team. That is a 52.3% success rate. The median value of the percentages of success in the statistical data listed above is 56.5% Now, would you mind explaining how the assertion that Marshall had a dominating performance can be substantiated? He may have caught more passes against Revis than most, if not all others, but his overall success rate was less than 50% for the game. The individual matchup may have been a moderate success, but in the face of an overall failure (averaging less passes caught on a percentage basis than the median for the rest of the league is not exactly an awe inspiring perfomance, I would think!) I think that an explanation of your statements about his supposed superiority could be forthcoming without the vituperation you resorted to at the very first, and could have been informative. Alas, it was not. Adieu.... Gratia et pacem...
Well..I guess you don't mind wasting your time... But like I said..I do. I already showed with numbers, why I said what I said..it is on this very site. Look for it.
I thought you said it hit him right between the numbers? Which is it? I know the throw I saw went right thru his hands and on his back shoulder! Right where the defender was lurking. That pass should have hit Marshall right in the breadbasket the second he turned around. Marshall did get his mitts on it so it's partially on him but that was no easy catch and was absolutely thrown to the wrong spot. I gaurantee you that Moore would like that one back as much as Marshall would...
Trading Marshall would be DUMB. He has blown some opportunities, but he's still one of the more talented receivers in the game. Not only that, but he opens up routes underneath because he demands so much attention. He's a talent that we need on offense and eventually he's going to start catching those TD's.
Bess was invisible...has been all season. Bush wasn't really targeted, but racked up a bunch of yards on the ground. Hartline made a couple plays, dropped a big pass. Clay had a few chances, but didn't get the ball thrown his way. Marshall had chances at 3-4 tds last night, and came up with none of them. How is that better than the other guys? At least the other guys weren't blowing chances like Marshall...well, Bess and Hartline did.
On the dropped TD? Revis was in front of Marshall. The throw where Moore threw it behind him. Marshall got out of his break and Revis was to his back, but ahead of him in the direction of the route. No seriously, it's time to not make an excuse for the guy. Ozzy, of all people who would make an excuse for a player, you don't come to mind as topping the list based on recent months.
lol, I'm not making one excuse for him. I said he got his mitts on it but it was a very hard throw to catch and it was to his back shoulder. I also know exactly where Revis was. Take another look at the video. He was sealed off from anything out in front.
