Again, Carl Peterson is not a candidate to be the Dolphins GM. But he is regularly speaking with the Dolphins nonetheless.
ooo, Mangini and Peterson. Talk about a firepower duo. For the record, I know Mangini won't be our HC, but this is hilarious.
All kidding and conspiracy-mongering aside, I like that Ross seems to be a consensus-builder as an NFL owner, given his inexperience with the game in general. It's whom he chooses to consult that makes me uneasy, even though I thought Mangini got a raw deal and wasn't nearly as bad as he was made out to be in New York.
Where I think Armando is going with this is it's more sign that Stephen Ross is no longer holding Jeff Ireland in the confidence that he once did, and he chooses to speak with other people about the Dolphins' situation so as to be able to maintain objectivity and not have all his thoughts on the Dolphins be what Jeff Ireland wants him to think.
To me, Mangini and McDaniels are two guys from the same pot. They are excellent x's and o's coaches who can gameplan very well, but they got their first jobs with a brash of arrogance about them. I think ultimately, both may turn into quality head coaches, but they have to be humbled. McDaniels is working as an OC now and is struggling some, so maybe he will see the light. Mangini hasn't been humbled yet.
I thought he was villified plenty in NY, but I see where you're coming from. I do like Mangini, but I just doubt that McDaniels will ever be a good HC unless he subjugates his ego almost completely. This I do get; I believe that Ross is "keeping his friends close, but his staff closer." I see a clean sweep of the organization at season's end, top to bottom.
Maybe he needs to be fired out of 3 HC jobs not just 2. Mangini certainly left the Jets in better shape than the Great Parcell the Dolphins
If I bash my head against the wall hard enough to make it seem like this regime is comepetent and if there is no one around me to prove me wrong, am I right?
I don't want Mangini as our coach, but the guy is far from stupid. Nothing wrong w/ seeking his opinion.
Hell no Mangini would suck as a head coach two failed attempts and his personal skills suck ***. Coordinator ok never our HC never
Have you noticed that every assistant for Belichick that has gone on to become a head coach recently has a major ego? With the exception of Romeo Crennell, who was just a career assistant and never should have been a head coach, all the others came into their jobs with an arrogant flare - Charlie Weiss, Eric Mangini, and Josh McDaniels.
not only working to secure the #1 pick in the draft, but the Title of most embarrassing franchise in the NFL...nice!
This is 100% true. All those guys thought their success-by-osmosis with Belichick was their doing, not the product of being under the skirts of the greatest football mind of this generation.
I strongly suspect you may be correct. Let's all get together and pray that he will find the right man to head the football operation, and then leave him alone! Sit back, enjoy the game, stay out of the lights, and pay the bills - as long as the team is competitive for post season play beyond the first round on a consistent basis as a minimum.
Two fresh reasons why I'm glad Steve Ross is seeking opinions outside the organization and therefore distancing himself from Jeff Ireland: 1. What if the Dolphins don't get the #1 overall pick, but a team that already has a young QB they've invested in does? Does anyone see Jeff Ireland brokering the deal for moving up? Does anyone see him paying the price? Hell no. He's like the fantasy owner that won't make any trade unless the trade is obviously in his favor by a wide margin. You know the type. I know, you're going to say that Ross could just mandate it...but if Jeff Ireland doesn't believe in what he's doing, he'll botch the negotiations. Either he'll severely pay more than was necessary (see the recent Carson Palmer deal) and chalk it up to it being Ross' fault because he mandated it, or by the time Jeff Ireland is through with the team they'll be convinced they should just go ahead and take Andrew Luck and trade whatever young guy they have. 2. You notice what kind of system Luck is in at Stanford? You notice who he throws to a lot? The tight ends. Harbaugh recruited a ton of tight ends to Stanford and Luck uses them in creative ways to attack defenses. You think that's going to happen here by default, with the likes of Jeron Mastrud and Charles "Whoopsie" Clay? You think Mr. Compulsive TE Underspender Jeff Ireland is going to provide Luck with some tight ends to throw to?
to ck's point no#1. i think this was a contract year for jason campbell, barring an injury to palmer i don't think the raiders will bring him back. do you think if ireland stays he would go after campbell instead of drafting a qb with a probable top 5 pick?
Mangini had no personell control in New York. He did have final say in Cleveland, and it was a mess. He's about as highly regarded there as Nick Saban is here; both as a talent evaluator and as a person.
Have you followed Mangini's stint in Cleveland? I'm asking because he had exactly the same issues McDaniels had in Denver (right down to the Napoleonic complex), it just wasn't as widely reported because it's, duh, Cleveland.
It's a bit hard for someone like Mangini, who wasn't the most successful coach, to go into Cleveland with a winner like Holmgren and really get his way. Mangini was able to secure some nice pieces though. And wasn't he the one who pulled the trigger on Peyton Hillis?
No. That was Holmgren/Heckert when they were in charge by 2010. In 2009, when Mangini was in charge, he turned a #6 overall selection into Alex Mack (so-so), Massaquoi (so-so), Brian Robiskie (dreadful) and David Veikune (beyond dreadful). And, well, that was about it, pieces wise.
He's been to two organizations and has lost two locker rooms. He rules with an iron fist and it's his way or nothing. He was ripping down pictures of Jim Brown in the practice facility, blares classical music during training camp, absolute silence in the locker room before games. It's a communist state when Mangini is in charge. And then essentially every move he made in Cleveland was a bad one.
On NFL32, Mort just asked Mangini about his conversations with Ross and Mangini said he hasn't spoken to Ross at all.
Well actually he did speak to Ross........once at the beginning of the season to say Good Luck.......How did he know ?
So, were Armando's "sources" just shining him on, or is Mangini lying now when he denies talking to Ross since the season began...or did Armando make it all up?
